TV on/off sync issue

[Squishman]

My TV in the living room is a 65" TCL Roku TV. Firestick is plugged into the AVR. AVR is not plugged into an arc or e-arc port. When everything is off, powering up the firestick should power up the firestick, the AVR and the TV. TV doesn't go on probably 70% of the time. I figure it's not a setting, since it works sometimes. Same thing happens when I power down the the firestick, the TV stays on most of the time. I need to use the TV remote for powering up and/or down. Sometimes that doesn't work! I checked the batteries in the TV remote and they are strong. So to power down the TV, I have had to unplug it. Yesterday, I did a full restore on the TV. That didn't fix it. Any thoughts on why this is happening?

 

[Squishman]

It seems to have started happening after I set up my speakers. I wonder if the center is interfering somehow. I have never had a center speaker this close to the tv before. Sounds rediculous, but I'm at a loss. It shouldn't be the firestick batteries because the tv remote isn't turning it on or off either. I'll try moving the center when I get home.

 

[TLS Guy]

It seems to have started happening after I set up my speakers. I wonder if the center is interfering somehow. I have never had a center speaker this close to the tv before. Sounds rediculous, but I'm at a loss. It shouldn't be the firestick batteries because the tv remote isn't turning it on or off either. I'll try moving the center when I get home.

Those pairing systems are just a mess. Don't use them. Just switch your devices on and off one by one. That is much less bother! Your center has nothing to do with it. CEC, Simplink, whatever you have are just junk.

For most of my gear, I have to get up out of my chair to switch on and off, as they are pre-remotes.

 

[Squishman]

Those pairing systems are just a mess. Don't use them. Just switch your devices on and off one by one. That is much less bother! Your center has nothing to do with it. CEC, Simplink, whatever you have are just junk.

For most of my gear, I have to get up out of my chair to switch on and off, as they are pre-remotes.

I'll have to look for the actual switch on the tv. Hopefully It'll work!

 

[highfigh]

It seems to have started happening after I set up my speakers. I wonder if the center is interfering somehow. I have never had a center speaker this close to the tv before. Sounds rediculous, but I'm at a loss. It shouldn't be the firestick batteries because the tv remote isn't turning it on or off either. I'll try moving the center when I get home.

Are you powering the FireStick from a USB port on the AVR or TV? If so, it can't cause the system to turn on using CEC because the FireStick won't boot until the AVR/TV powers up if the USB port isn't hot all of the time.

I would make sure the power to the FireStick is plugged into an outlet on the power strip.

 

[adk highlander]

Are you powering the FireStick from a USB port on the AVR or TV? If so, it can't cause the system to turn on using CEC because the FireStick won't boot until the AVR/TV powers up if the USB port isn't hot all of the time.

I would make sure the power to the FireStick is plugged into an outlet on the power strip.

This. I had many issues with one that I tried to use the USB port.

 

[highfigh]

This. I had many issues with one that I tried to use the USB port.

I learned about the TV USB ports the hard way- apparently, they can time out.

 

[Squishman]

My original thought this morning was magnetic interference with the tv's remote sensor if that wasn't exactly clear. I thought I'd move the center back a bit (sealed cab, so that would be ok) but TLS Guy said above that that's not it.

Are you powering the FireStick from a USB port on the AVR or TV? If so, it can't cause the system to turn on using CEC because the FireStick won't boot until the AVR/TV powers up if the USB port isn't hot all of the time.

I would make sure the power to the FireStick is plugged into an outlet on the power strip.

USB power to the Firestick is from a power strip.

I learned about the TV USB ports the hard way- apparently, they can time out.

The power can time out? Ok. I would have guessed that too, but I'm not powering from that.

So, what is the issue? Why did this once work flawlessly? I changed no settings. I added a three channel Emotiva amp that wouldn't have factored in.

 

[TLS Guy]

I'll have to look for the actual switch on the tv. Hopefully It'll work!

Don't you have a remote for your TV?

 

[highfigh]

My original thought this morning was magnetic interference with the tv's remote sensor if that wasn't exactly clear. I thought I'd move the center back a bit (sealed cab, so that would be ok) but TLS Guy said above that that's not it.


USB power to the Firestick is from a power strip.


The power can time out? Ok. I would have guessed that too, but I'm not powering from that.

So, what is the issue? Why did this once work flawlessly? I changed no settings. I added a three channel Emotiva amp that wouldn't have factored in.

I have a power strip that's supposedly able to sense use and it shuts off the outlets that don't need to be powered.

At this point, I would check the menu for the Firestick and see if something has changed. I know Roku can enter sleep mode if set to do that.

 

[Squishman]

Don't you have a remote for your TV?

Yeah, but same thing as with fs remote. It only works sometimes. I just tried it now and it worked powering the tv down, then back up. If I use the fs remote, it will not turn on the tv. So, I use the tv remote to turn it on. Then when I am done watching tv, I hit power on the fs remote. AVR goes off, tv does not. So I push the tv remote's power button. It does not turn off the TV. That's when I unplug it. I will start using the power button on the tv. But one reason I was unplugging it, was in case it helped to reset things. It never did.

 

[TLS Guy]

Yeah, but same thing as with fs remote. It only works sometimes. I just tried it now and it worked powering the tv down, then back up. If I use the fs remote, it will not turn on the tv. So, I use the tv remote to turn it on. Then when I am done watching tv, I hit power on the fs remote. AVR goes off, tv does not. So I push the tv remote's power button. It does not turn off the TV. That's when I unplug it. I will start using the power button on the tv. But one reason I was unplugging it, was in case it helped to reset things. It never did.

Just make sure you have CEC or its equivalent in all your devices is turned off. I really hate those systems.

 

[lovinthehd]

My TV in the living room is a 65" TCL Roku TV. Firestick is plugged into the AVR. AVR is not plugged into an arc or e-arc port. When everything is off, powering up the firestick should power up the firestick, the AVR and the TV. TV doesn't go on probably 70% of the time. I figure it's not a setting, since it works sometimes. Same thing happens when I power down the the firestick, the TV stays on most of the time. I need to use the TV remote for powering up and/or down. Sometimes that doesn't work! I checked the batteries in the TV remote and they are strong. So to power down the TV, I have had to unplug it. Yesterday, I did a full restore on the TV. That didn't fix it. Any thoughts on why this is happening?

Do you have hdmi-cec turned on in Firestick setup (display and sounds menu on the firestick)?

 

[Squishman]

Just make sure you have CEC or its equivalent in all your devices is turned off. I really hate those systems.

You tell me to do that, but you don't mind powering everything up/down individually. It's on on the FS. On the TV, I cannot tell. But it does say "CEC devices found: Fire TV Stick". I suppose, there is no option there and that if it's on on the FS, it displays on the TV. So if I turn it off on the FS, I will certainly lose it (auto power), correct? I don't want to lose it. I want to solve it from only working sometimes. I did just power down then up on the FS and everything works. We'll see about tomorrow morning.

Do you have hdmi-cec turned on in Firestick setup (display and sounds menu on the firestick)?

Good to see you back lovin. I haven't seen hide nor hare of you for a while!
CEC is on on the FS. Leave it on or off if I want that auto-power control? Seems to me I want it on unless I am wrong about what CEC does.

 

[Squishman]

Powered down on FS. Worked fine again. It hasn't worked in the mornings for some odd reason. I am interested to see if it works correctly tomorrow morning. So far, I have changed nothing.

 

[lovinthehd]

Good to see you back lovin. I haven't seen hide nor hare of you for a while!
CEC is on on the FS. Leave it on or off if I want that auto-power control? Seems to me I want it on unless I am wrong about what CEC does.

Thanks. I use firestick remotes on a couple systems, but if I use another remote (usually a Harmony remote) absentmindedly it can "confuse" units as to what's in control it seems. The firestick remote is fine on its own IME if your avr input is set to use the firestick and only use the firestick remote. Sounds like you have something similar happening.

 

[Squishman]

Thanks. I use firestick remotes on a couple systems, but if I use another remote (usually a Harmony remote) absentmindedly it can "confuse" units as to what's in control it seems. The firestick remote is fine on its own IME if your avr input is set to use the firestick and only use the firestick remote. Sounds like you have something similar happening.

For the longest tine, I wouldn't even use the tv remote. Well, I take that back. Saturday mornings, I use it for my air antenna which is the only time I have local news on. So Saturday mornings and if the NFL is in season. That's the only times I actually need my tv remote.

 

[lovinthehd]

For the longest tine, I wouldn't even use the tv remote. Well, I take that back. Saturday mornings, I use it for my air antenna which is the only time I have local news on. So Saturday mornings and if the NFL is in season. That's the only times I actually need my tv remote.

Sometimes you just need to carefully track what does what and when So for a long time firestick remote worked just fine, but changed recently?

 

[Squishman]

This morning, the avr and tv powered up with the fs, then down together. So it's working the way it should now. I think when @lovinthehd mentioned where cec was on the fs, I turned it off, then back on again. That must've been what fixed it.

 

[highfigh]

Thanks. I use firestick remotes on a couple systems, but if I use another remote (usually a Harmony remote) absentmindedly it can "confuse" units as to what's in control it seems. The firestick remote is fine on its own IME if your avr input is set to use the firestick and only use the firestick remote. Sounds like you have something similar happening.

I don't have a FireStick, but I use Harmony- not sure why the FS would be confused since there's no two-way communication between it and the equipmnent. I can understand seeing problems if a command from one remote is still being sent when a command from the other remote is being received- some equipment acts like it's blond or stunned when conflicting commands come in.

Battery life is one thing that makes a difference- I have a Harmony Companion that uses a 2032 disc battery and when that is starting to go, the hub won't always respond to the remote, so I test it by using the phone app- if it works immedately and every time, I replace the battery but sometimes, neither works and I just have to wait.