Turn Off You Home Theaters Tomorrow to Observe Earth Hour

Jack Hammer

Jack Hammer

Audioholic Field Marshall
To the people who think this is stupid (i"m 3/4 one), bear in mind that a lot of the general public are not concious of these things. I, for one, have been using flourescent bulbs and recycling and been aware of my water and electric usage plus I ride a bicycle all summer and take public transportation, etc, etc, etc, for years and years and years...

The things they ask people to do for one hour of one day a year isn't to make a difference, it's to make people aware that they can make a difference. Don't knock it, be a better person and encourage people to be better people by caring about their actions and the consequences of them.

Jack
 
Halon451

Halon451

Audioholic Samurai
I set off a 50 Megaton nuclear device I had stashed under my cave for years, found it one afternoon rumaging through some caves in Nevada, funny thing though everything has a green glow tonight, why is that? Halon? You're the nuke guy. I guess I'll be spotted from outer space like Clint too.
I think I felt the rumble all the way up here, but I figured it was just my dog farting next to the couch again. :D There is no green glow from radioactivity, that's the stuff of movies. You might have been dipping into the green fairy with Mazer down there? :eek::D
 
Halon451

Halon451

Audioholic Samurai
To the people who think this is stupid (i"m 3/4 one), bear in mind that a lot of the general public are not concious of these things. I, for one, have been using flourescent bulbs and recycling and been aware of my water and electric usage plus I ride a bicycle all summer and take public transportation, etc, etc, etc, for years and years and years...

The things they ask people to do for one hour of one day a year isn't to make a difference, it's to make people aware that they can make a difference. Don't knock it, be a better person and encourage people to be better people by caring about their actions and the consequences of them.

Jack
Right, I think we all get it - I still think it's a big dog and pony show though. It's symbolic in nature and really does nothing to reduce any harmful effects that might otherwise be taking place due to energy consumption.

I use the compact flourescents in my home as well, have my computer set to go into standby after 10 minutes of non-usage, and turn off all but the outside walkway lights and the CFL above the stove when going to bed at night, if that makes you feel any better. ;)

I'm not oblivious to the need to protect our environment, I just don't buy into a lot of the global warming alarmist crap, data which has been completely refuted by dozens of top world scientists, climatologists and physicists. Gore's 'An Inconvenient Truth' has had so many holes knocked in it at this point it resembles swiss cheese. So please, papa don't preach... :p
 
Halon451

Halon451

Audioholic Samurai
If you are turning off your lights, systems, etc., you are doing the right thing.
I don't think so, you're merely following the herd. As soon as somebody comes up with a real, viable, practical solution to the world's energy woes, I hope to be on the leading edge, trust me, but until then - I've got better things to do with my time. :cool:

Speaking of which, wind and solar power are much more easily regulated than coal, for example. I don't know the facts about nuclear (read 'em and forgot). With the interconnectedness of the grid and the rolling, time-zone based and voluntary nature of the Earth Hour, I imagine that power will not go wasted- hopefully, much less of it will be wasted than normal.

Saving money is part of the whole equation. See greenchemistry.wordpress.com/2008/01/08/solar-power-now-cheaper-than-coal/ : panels made from the latest technology are cheaper than coal for generating electricity. So, as Germany has done and is doing, let's hope that we can ramp up solar power use all over the world. Let's also hope that the pollution in China from traditional polycrystalline silicon solar cells will cease! See greenchemistry.wordpress.com/2008/03/11/when-light-is-dark-waste-from-key-solar-cell-ingredient-damages-chinese-environment/
Feel free to PM me for facts and figures concerning power generation from a range of sources, and how solar and wind energy has a LONG way to go before becoming a practical solution. ;)
 
majorloser

majorloser

Moderator
I think I felt the rumble all the way up here, but I figured it was just my dog farting next to the couch again. :D There is no green glow from radioactivity, that's the stuff of movies. You might have been dipping into the green fairy with Mazer down there? :eek::D
Sorry, I'm the nuclear green fairy guy.

And you thought the threat of Communist mushroom clouds was bad enough. Now you say there's a drunk caveman with nukes! :eek:
 
Halon451

Halon451

Audioholic Samurai
Sorry, I'm the nuclear green fairy guy.

And you thought the threat of Communist mushroom clouds was bad enough. Now you say there's a drunk caveman with nukes! :eek:
Right, I stand corrected - I knew Mazer was part of the equation though, either way, a drunk Caveman armed with nukes does seem a little frightening now that you mention it. :eek::D
 
chemrat

chemrat

Audiophyte
Solar Power is Viable Now, and more so if your State tax breaks are good

Feel free to PM me for facts and figures concerning power generation from a range of sources, and how solar and wind energy has a LONG way to go before becoming a practical solution. ;)
Thanks for the offer, but I write as a professional on this subject all the time. Solar energy doesn't have to go anywhere to be ready for prime time, except, in the the case of the latest technology like the solar "paints" and inks that can put solar "panels" on a wide range of surfaces by multi-layer printing techniques, the production facilities need to be scaled up to meet demand. Nanosolar has sold its complete production capacity for a couple of years according to the trade press, and Germany really has implemented a large amount of solar panel technology already. My brother has silicon-based panels on his house, though he lives in a State that gives significant tax credits to help finance it. I live in a State that pours tax money down the corn ethanol drain (the governor's brother-in-law just happens to be in that business) and does nothing to promote real clean power. So, financial viability depends a lot on where you live. But, the only question is "when will it start paying dividends?", not "will it pay dividends?". Many, but not all, utility companies are willing to buy your excess capacity, and will no fossil fuels being burned for this electricity, it is great clean power, without question, as long as the financials add up in your area.
 
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Buckeye_Nut

Audioholic Field Marshall
Tomorrow marks the second annual Earth Hour event where major cities around the world will be turning off their power for a full hour. For home theater buffs, perhaps now is a good opportunity to buy a power conditioner with battery backup such as an APC AV S15 or S20, so you can enjoy your theater system interruption free while still being green. It would be cool to see how many fellow Audioholics participate in this event so please comment in our forums and let us know if you turned off your home theater systems during this event or switch to an alternative energy source.


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Hahahahahahahaha..... very funny!!

Good one!!
 
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Buckeye_Nut

Audioholic Field Marshall
I'm going to turn on all my lights and my car - and maybe start a bonfire in my back yard to celebrate. Break out the Christmas lights!

It'll be awesome cause they'll see me from outer space!
I was thinking about filling my tank with gas, and doing a bunch of donuts in reverse to celebrate the occasion....:D

Is that possible?
 
Halon451

Halon451

Audioholic Samurai
Thanks for the offer, but I write as a professional on this subject all the time. Solar energy doesn't have to go anywhere to be ready for prime time, except, in the the case of the latest technology like the solar "paints" and inks that can put solar "panels" on a wide range of surfaces by multi-layer printing techniques, the production facilities need to be scaled up to meet demand. Nanosolar has sold its complete production capacity for a couple of years according to the trade press, and Germany really has implemented a large amount of solar panel technology already. My brother has silicon-based panels on his house, though he lives in a State that gives significant tax credits to help finance it. I live in a State that pours tax money down the corn ethanol drain (the governor's brother-in-law just happens to be in that business) and does nothing to promote real clean power. So, financial viability depends a lot on where you live. But, the only question is "when will it start paying dividends?", not "will it pay dividends?". Many, but not all, utility companies are willing to buy your excess capacity, and will no fossil fuels being burned for this electricity, it is great clean power, without question, as long as the financials add up in your area.
I'm not saying that the technology isn't getting there by any means, just making sure that you are aware that we have yet to discover the magic bullet cure for all of our energy issues. Sounds like you are well versed enough, and I'm a consultant for the commercial power industry, so I feel I am a bit qualified to speak on these matters. ;)

As I type this, I am involved in the resource planning of several new/expansion wind farm projects across the US. FPL, one of the country's largest energy providers had plans to build a 250KW solar array near Sarasota, considered the be the largest array in the "Sunshine" state thus far, not even coming close to meeting the demands of millions of customers. Solar energy is also more expensive, resulting in higher rates to customers who are already feeling the pinch. And with Florida's healthy abundance of cloud cover (in addition to sunlight), reliability is in question - it would take twice as much equipment and resources to generate a given amount of power from a place such as the Mojave desert, for example. Meanwhile $$$ continue to add up.

Wind energy, while clean and as renewable as the sun is also struggling to get off the ground, when you consider a single wind turbine produces on the average about 5 MW of power. Just to keep things in perspective, current output in MWe, for most coal, natural gas or nuclear powered generating stations is on the order of 1,000 MW or more. So, doing the math, you are looking at 200 wind turbines to match the output of a single conventional generating station, and most larger cities and metropolitan areas of course are not supplied by one single power station. And that's providing the wind holds up... ;)

Suffice it to say, the major wind energy companies are gearing up and building more wind farms, you have Suzlon (Asian market), Mitsubishi, Vestas, Siemens, Zond (formally acquired by GE, and is now known as GE Wind), hell even John Deere has been getting in on the action lately - we just had two bids from John Deere's Wind Division come our way within the last two weeks.

I'm all for this - as Strat pointed out, I cut my teeth on the nuclear power biz, so that's where my heart lies, so I am a strong proponent of increased nuclear funding, new construction projects and power uprates of existing reactors in order to keep up with demand. To me, this is the only real, viable solution until the other two technologies catch up. I am not against either wind or solar - it's noble, great and good, but the reality of it is, until technology improves and inefficiencies worked out in a way that doesn't break the bank, we should not be looking at them with rose colored lenses, we should be looking at them as potential players in very high demand market.

Hence, long way to go. ;)
 
majorloser

majorloser

Moderator
I actually like the green glow at night....

Around 20% of the US electrical energy comes from nuclear.
About 7% from hydroelectric plants.
Only 2.4% of our power comes from the "other" sources like wind and solar.
The rest comes from various fossil fuels.





We're not going to build new dams and I doubt any tidal power generating system will be worthy. Land is too damn expensive for massive wind systems or huge solar facilities that are worth anything. And they ain't making any more dinosaur fuels

So leads us back to good ol' nukey energy. BRING IT ON!
We got three nuke plants in Florida and they are expanding for more capacity.
 
My family has only one car, we live in a house half the size of many people we know, and I recently ripped all the siding off my home and insulated the entire thing... And yet I'm not a "conservationalist" or even a die-hard believer in global warming.

Sometimes people can do the right things for reasons other than saving the planet I guess. I think if everyone tied "saving money" to these different alternatives, rather than attempting to use other reasonings, more people would have greater motivation to get on board. It's a win-win. If solar energy could power my entire house, I'd have it. It doesn't work at the levels needed to make it practical for me, so for now I'll wait.

That's my whole line of thinking behind nuclear energy. It's cheap. Bring it on. Hybrid cars? Make them get 100 mpg and have them look cool. Make me an affordable electric car that costs 1/10th the price of oil to make it go just as far and have it look like either an SUV or a lotus. I'll buy it. This week.

I hope this wasn't divisive - just trying to find common ground. I believe the right solution can have two different motivating reasons for success.
 
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ineedagirl69

Audioholic Intern
I am with Clint on this one. I am also going to turn on all the TVs in the house, put the stove in self-cleaning mode, turn on all the lights inside and out, start up my grill, start the riding mower up, light a fire in the wood stove, run my microwave, turn my heat full blast and start up all my cars and let them run for an hour with the lights on. It's all a crock anyway.
LOL, come on dont yall care about mother earth?
 
stratman

stratman

Audioholic Ninja
Now if they can only build a car with a flux capacitor and a Mr. Fusion Home Energy Reactor, we all could tell OPEC to go fly a kite.
 
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ineedagirl69

Audioholic Intern
Now if they can only build a car with a flux capacitor and a Mr. Fusion Home Energy Reactor, we all could tell OPEC to go fly a kite.
dont mean to go off topic, but what does that mean in your sig? is it something about not caring?
 
stratman

stratman

Audioholic Ninja
dont mean to go off topic, but what does that mean in your sig? is it something about not caring?
Laxapathy is a word that I conjured, it's a mix of being lax and apathetic, it's akin to being too lazy to care or be bothered with any substantial issue.
 
gene

gene

Audioholics Master Chief
Administrator
The answer is there is no SINGLE solution. It will take a combination of multiple alternative energy resources including:

nuclear (though not 100% carbon free per my understanding) see: http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0307/p01s04-sten.html
solar
wind
renewable/bio fuels
self sustaining skyscrapers that power themselves and reuse energy/resources
higher efficient cars, lighting, etc

I was beside myself all week visiting Colombia ( a 3rd world country) that IS more proactive than the USA in terms of using higher efficient cars that run on a mixture of gas/natural gas as well as having mass transit virtually everywhere and just about everywhere I visited, people were using high efficient florescent lighting. If a poor country like this can understand the benefits of energy efficiency, why can't the supposed greatest country in the world lead the way on this? We should afterall as we are the worlds LARGEST consumer of energy with China and India quickly following in our footsteps.

I say as a fellow Audioholic, we should all dump our Class A/B amps and embrace a Class D. Of course once I measure one that I feel is worthy, I will be right behind you :)
 
stratman

stratman

Audioholic Ninja
The answer is there is no SINGLE solution. It will take a combination of multiple alternative energy resources including:

nuclear (though not 100% carbon free per my understanding) see: http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0307/p01s04-sten.html
solar
wind
renewable/bio fuels
self sustaining skyscrapers that power themselves and reuse energy/resources
higher efficient cars, lighting, etc

I was beside myself all week visiting Colombia ( a 3rd world country) that IS more proactive than the USA in terms of using higher efficient cars that run on a mixture of gas/natural gas as well as having mass transit virtually everywhere and just about everywhere I visited, people were using high efficient florescent lighting. If a poor country like this can understand the benefits of energy efficiency, why can't the supposed greatest country in the world lead the way on this? We should afterall as we are the worlds LARGEST consumer of energy with China and India quickly following in our footsteps.

I say as a fellow Audioholic, we should all dump our Class A/B amps and embrace a Class D. Of course once I measure one that I feel is worthy, I will be right behind you :)
Gene, if you really want to massacre your scalp, visit Brazil, 99% of their cars run on alcohol produced from locally grown sugar cane. Sugarcane, which happens to be grown in 200 countries produces about 1400 tons of sugar per year, this boggles my mind. BTW I have a class D Panny receiver, not bad.
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
You know those energy efficient flourescent bulbs everyone is pushing? Well I bought one package not having read the packagae carefully enough until after I installed a bulb into a fixture. I find out that these dam things contain mercury. Hmmmm, Poison the ground with heavy metal or be energy inefficient. I wonder which is really worse. :confused:
 
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