Trump GUILTY of Fraud

[Dude#1279435]

Indirectly, yes.
Didn't one of his sons wanted a direct line to Russia/Putin?

including Trump’s son, daughter, and son-in-law—were contacted by at least 14 Russians, according to information emerging from the federal investigations.

Though I'm not sure how any of it equates to helping Trump win the election.

Also worth considering.....

Some New York real-estate experts, like Joel Ross, a long-established investment banker in Manhattan, say this devil-may-care attitude is typical in the industry, and critics are overreacting in tying Trump’s business ties to his presidential policies. Though Ross says he’s “no fan” of Trump, he added that the key point is that the big 2016 Moscow negotiation went nowhere, and there is no evidence that Trump is currently basing his policies toward Russia on his business dealings. In truth, Trump’s several forays into Russia in search of possible deals is standard in big-time real estate, Ross said. And the majority of negotiations don’t pan out.

“As to any other deals, what they may earn on a management contract is not enough to get him to change foreign policy,” Ross wrote FP in an email. “This is not as serious an issue as you seem to imagine. You guys in the media have no understanding of how real estate works and how unserious these things are. Trump is not much different than most of the NY real estate developers. Obnoxious, liar, screws people, impossible to trust, etc, but in NY real estate–not unusual.”

Ross added: “None of any of that is proof of anything other than Trump was considered a bad guy who nobody trusted to do business with in the US banking world. That is far from any proof he did anything wrong as to collusion which there was none.”

It's why I jokingly said Republicans need to stop criticizing Democrats for selling our soul to communist China (or at least put it on pause). If one of your own made most of his fortune through Russia well it is rather difficult to point fingers at the Democrats. I think some of them will anyway, but just saying.

 

[GO-NAD!]

When Facist communist dictators assume power they will do whatever it takes not give it up power.
They will attempt and usually succeed to put there opponent in jail
They will strip there opponents of all finances preventing them from assuming power from the Facist communist dictator
They will attempt to prevent there opponent from participation in the election including removing there opponents from ballots
When all else fails Facist communist dictators will have their opponents assassinated.
Currently America has a Facist communist Regime instead of a dictator. The
Puppet being controlled by the Regime is mentally incompetent. The Facist Regime wants to use this puppet so they can stay in power
None of the Regimes Fraudulent attempts to eliminate there opponent is working.
Instead Joe Biden will be eliminated in a historic landslide election

What on earth is a "facist (sic) communist"?

Are you not aware that before fascists came to power in Italy and Germany, fascists/Nazis and communists battled in the streets and murdered each other? Are you not aware that after the Italian fascists and German Nazis came to power, they threw all the communists into prison or concentration camps (those who they didn't kill, at least)? During the Spanish civil war, the Republican side included communists and was supported by the Soviet Union, while the Falangists (fascists) under Franco were supported by Germany and Italy.

That makes "fascist communist" an oxymoron.

It is quite clear why people on the hard right try to lump communists and fascists together in their rhetoric. For them, anyone leaning left is a socialist and 'socialist' is just another word for 'communist'. As for the fascist part, well, since fascism is on the right end of the political spectrum, they're uncomfortably close to hard-right conservatives. And, since being fascist-adjacent is not something to brag about, what do you do? You try to put more distance between you by summarily declaring fascism to be a leftist ideology and toss them over onto that side of the political spectrum.

Voila! You magically cleanse yourselves of having any authoritarian tendencies. But, guess what? That isn't going to work on anyone outside your group of fellow travelers.

 

[GO-NAD!]

Trump Has One Week To Pay $83.3 Million To E. Jean Carroll—And She’s Expressing ‘Very Serious Concerns’ (forbes.com)

 

[mtrycrafts]

including Trump’s son, daughter, and son-in-law—were contacted by at least 14 Russians, according to information emerging from the federal investigations.

Though I'm not sure how any of it equates to helping Trump win the election.

Also worth considering.....

Some New York real-estate experts, like Joel Ross, a long-established investment banker in Manhattan, say this devil-may-care attitude is typical in the industry, and critics are overreacting in tying Trump’s business ties to his presidential policies. Though Ross says he’s “no fan” of Trump, he added that the key point is that the big 2016 Moscow negotiation went nowhere, and there is no evidence that Trump is currently basing his policies toward Russia on his business dealings. In truth, Trump’s several forays into Russia in search of possible deals is standard in big-time real estate, Ross said. And the majority of negotiations don’t pan out.

“As to any other deals, what they may earn on a management contract is not enough to get him to change foreign policy,” Ross wrote FP in an email. “This is not as serious an issue as you seem to imagine. You guys in the media have no understanding of how real estate works and how unserious these things are. Trump is not much different than most of the NY real estate developers. Obnoxious, liar, screws people, impossible to trust, etc, but in NY real estate–not unusual.”

Ross added: “None of any of that is proof of anything other than Trump was considered a bad guy who nobody trusted to do business with in the US banking world. That is far from any proof he did anything wrong as to collusion which there was none.”

It's why I jokingly said Republicans need to stop criticizing Democrats for selling our soul to communist China (or at least put it on pause). If one of your own made most of his fortune through Russia well it is rather difficult to point fingers at the Democrats. I think some of them will anyway, but just saying.

Don't forget the russian bots online. Russia wasn't just sitting on the sidelines.

 

[Dude#1279435]

Don't forget the russian bots online. Russia wasn't just sitting on the sidelines.

Depends on what the bots did.

 

[Bonscott]

Trump Has One Week To Pay $83.3 Million To E. Jean Carroll—And She’s Expressing ‘Very Serious Concerns’ (forbes.com)

You wake up every morning and the first thing you think about is Donald Trump

 

[Mr._Clark]

Depends on what the bots did.

This is actually a response to the following in the Russia thread:

"Why is Biden not facing charges? Returned them?"

Here are a couple snips from the Hur report:

>>>[F]or the reasons summarized below, we conclude that the evidence
does not establish Mr. Biden's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Prosecution of Mr.
Biden is also unwarranted based on our consideration of the aggravating and
mitigating factors set forth in the Department of Justice's Principles of Federal
Prosecution. For these reasons, we decline prosecution of Mr. Biden. . . .

Mr. Biden's memory was significantly limited, both during his
recorded interviews with the ghostwriter in 2017, and in his interview with our office
in 2023. And his cooperation with our investigation, including by reporting to the
government that the Afghanistan documents were in his Delaware garage, will likely
convince some jurors that he made an innocent mistake, rather than acting
willfully-that is, with intent to break the law-as the statute requires.<<<

By itself, cooperation is normally a factor the helps a defendant make a plea deal or a lighter sentence if convicted, but Hur states that jurors might conclude that Biden's cooperation was evidence of an innocent mistake.

The Hur report evaluated many factors so the snips above are not the whole story. Nevertheless, the main issue seems to be that Hur didn't think the evidence was sufficient to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Biden acted with intent to break the law.

Intent can be difficult to prove because there is no way know with absolute certainty what a person was thinking. The jury needs to infer the mental state from the evidence.

This will not be a popular opinion, but if it was up to me I would have recommended charges, based at least in part on the following:

>>>In a recorded conversation with his ghostwriter in February 2017, about a month after he left office, Mr. Biden said, while referencing his 2009 Thanksgiving memo, that he had "just found all the classified stuff downstairs."<<<

That's strong evidence he knew he had classified documents.

DOJ policy does not permit a sitting president to be indicted. If Hur had recommended prosecution, there's a high probability that Biden could have cut a plea deal to avoid prison after he left office, (perhaps) similar to General Petraeus, Deutch, and Berger

>>>"The plea agreement and corresponding statement of facts, both signed by the defendant [Petraeus], indicate that he will plead guilty to the one-count criminal Information."

As Carrie notes, "former National Security Adviser Sandy Berger and former CIA Director John Deutsch [sic, Deutch] pleaded guilty to similar offenses in the past."<<<

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/03/03/390443553/petraeus-enters-into-plea-agreement-on-criminal-charge

Note: I'm speaking broad brush here, the specific laws involved in the prior plea deals probably wouldn't apply to Biden, but I strongly suspect Biden would have been able to cut a plea deal after leaving office.

For what it's worth, Trump nuked a plea deal by obstructing the government. He chose to take his chances with a jury.

 

[Dude#1279435]

I think if I heard that correct the Fanni Willis case will delay Trump's cases even more.

 

[davidscott]

I think if I heard that correct the Fanni Willis case will delay Trump's cases even more.

Fanni Willis should be removed immediately. She has only helped Trump and his MAGA base in the Georgia trial.

 

[GO-NAD!]

You wake up every morning and the first thing you think about is Donald Trump

Hardly. I'd be perfectly happy for him to fade into obscurity. But, the orange menace keeps finding his way into the news. When something that may be relevant to this thread pops up, I see no reason not to post it.

 

[Mr._Clark]

Trump is now asking for a delay on the hush money case on the basis that presidential immunity in the federal case will allegedly impact whether or not some evidence will be introduced in the hush money case.

>>>Former President Trump is seeking to derail the start of his first criminal trial just two weeks out from when it is scheduled to begin, asserting a presidential immunity defense in the case for the first time.

In court documents filed Monday, Trump’s lawyers said prosecutors have suggested they will introduce at trial “several types of evidence that implicate the concept of official acts for purposes of presidential immunity.” . . .

Though he is not arguing presidential immunity requires his hush money charges be tossed, Trump is asserting that prosecutors should be limited from introducing certain evidence at the trial because they implicate official acts during his time in the White House.<<<(emphasis added)

Trump seeks to derail New York hush money trial over immunity claims

Former President Trump is seeking to derail the start of his first criminal trial just two weeks out from when it is scheduled to begin, asserting a presidential immunity defense in the case for th…

thehill.com

This reeks of desperation.

 

[mtrycrafts]

...

This reeks of desperation.

But of course. When there is nothing left, you try the crazy stuff.

 

[Swerd]

This reeks of desperation.

But of course. When there is nothing left, you try the crazy stuff.

 

[Bonscott]

Trump is now asking for a delay on the hush money case on the basis that presidential immunity in the federal case will allegedly impact whether or not some evidence will be introduced in the hush money case.

>>>Former President Trump is seeking to derail the start of his first criminal trial just two weeks out from when it is scheduled to begin, asserting a presidential immunity defense in the case for the first time.

In court documents filed Monday, Trump’s lawyers said prosecutors have suggested they will introduce at trial “several types of evidence that implicate the concept of official acts for purposes of presidential immunity.” . . .

Though he is not arguing presidential immunity requires his hush money charges be tossed, Trump is asserting that prosecutors should be limited from introducing certain evidence at the trial because they implicate official acts during his time in the White House.<<<(emphasis added)

Trump seeks to derail New York hush money trial over immunity claims

Former President Trump is seeking to derail the start of his first criminal trial just two weeks out from when it is scheduled to begin, asserting a presidential immunity defense in the case for th…

thehill.com

This reeks of desperation.

Reeks of Desperation is trying to win an election through the court system instead having the voters decide. The corrupt desperation is going to fail miserably.

 

[lovinthehd]

Reeks of Desperation is trying to win an election through the court system instead having the voters decide. The corrupt desperation is going to fail miserably.

Smartest thing you've said yet....drumphy indeed reeks of desperation.

ps let alone the body odors

 

[Bonscott]

Smartest thing you've said yet....drumphy indeed reeks of desperation.

Nah The desperation is with the Democrats and Biden. They are so desperate they want to take Trump off ballots. Charge him with bogus crimes. Anything but have the voters decide. They are scared to death the voters are going to vote for Trump. Democracy will prevail. Corrupt Joe will fail

 

[Mr._Clark]

The judge in the hush money case just delayed the trial date due to a last minute document dump.

>>>NEW YORK (AP) — Donald Trump’s New York hush-money criminal trial was delayed Friday until at least mid-April as the judge seeks answers about a last-minute evidence dump that the former president’s lawyers said has hampered their ability to prepare their defense.

Manhattan Judge Juan Manuel Merchan agreed to a 30-day delay starting Friday and scheduled a hearing for March 25 after Trump’s lawyers complained that they only recently started receiving more than 100,000 pages of documents from a previous federal investigation into the matter. . . .

In a letter Friday, Merchan told Manhattan prosecutors and Trump’s defense team that he wanted to assess “who, if anyone, is at fault for the late production of the documents,” whether it hurt either side and whether any sanctions are warranted.<<<

Judge delays Trump’s hush-money criminal trial until mid-April, citing last-minute evidence dump

A judge has delayed ex-President Donald Trump’s hush-money criminal trial in New York until mid-April. His lawyers said they needed more time to sift through new evidence.

apnews.com

The last minute document dump strikes me as being very peculiar. It's not at all clear right now what caused it and who, if anyone, is at fault.

 

[lovinthehd]

The judge in the hush money case just delayed the trial date due to a last minute document dump.

>>>NEW YORK (AP) — Donald Trump’s New York hush-money criminal trial was delayed Friday until at least mid-April as the judge seeks answers about a last-minute evidence dump that the former president’s lawyers said has hampered their ability to prepare their defense.

Manhattan Judge Juan Manuel Merchan agreed to a 30-day delay starting Friday and scheduled a hearing for March 25 after Trump’s lawyers complained that they only recently started receiving more than 100,000 pages of documents from a previous federal investigation into the matter. . . .

In a letter Friday, Merchan told Manhattan prosecutors and Trump’s defense team that he wanted to assess “who, if anyone, is at fault for the late production of the documents,” whether it hurt either side and whether any sanctions are warranted.<<<

Judge delays Trump’s hush-money criminal trial until mid-April, citing last-minute evidence dump

A judge has delayed ex-President Donald Trump’s hush-money criminal trial in New York until mid-April. His lawyers said they needed more time to sift through new evidence.

apnews.com

The last minute document dump strikes me as being very peculiar. It's not at all clear right now what caused it and who, if anyone, is at fault.

I smell something very drumphy here.

 

[cpp]

The whole Trump court(s) thing reeks of a movie being filmed with all the players acting. The Supreme Court were supporting actors and gave Trump want he wanted Top US court unanimously reverses Colorado decision to kick Trump off primary ballot over January 6, 2021, Capitol riot. The way things are going with these continued delays by the court, I hate to see the final scene play out in this reality movie.

 

[Trell]

So Trump doesn’t have the cash as he claimed.

>>>Former President Donald Trump can’t find an insurance company to underwrite his bond to cover the massive judgment against him in the New York attorney general’s civil fraud case, his lawyers told a New York appeals court.

Trump’s attorneys said he has approached 30 underwriters to back the bond, which is due by the end of this month.

“The amount of the judgment, with interest, exceeds $464 million, and very few bonding companies will consider a bond of anything approaching that magnitude,” Trump’s lawyers wrote. (Trump himself was fined $454 million; the $464 million includes the disgorgement for his adult sons Don Jr. and Eric.)

An insurance broker, Gary Giuletti, who testified for Trump during the civil fraud trial, signed an affidavit stating that securing a bond in the full amount “is a practical impossibility.”

Potential underwriters are seeking cash to back the bond, not properties, according to Trump’s lawyers.

Trump’s lawyers have asked the appeals court to delay posting the bond until his appeal of the case is over, arguing that the value of Trump’s properties far exceed the judgment.<<<

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/18/politics/trump-464-million-dollar-bond/index.html