To SVS sub owners

[Sheep]

I perfer to run the pre/pro at full, and back off the subwoofer amp.This way, when the subwoofer is to loud for movies, I just turn it down to the level that sounds right in the amp. When I throw on a CD, I crank it back up. Never have to remember the settings.

SheepStar

 

[MacManNM]

You will find Most Svs subs just cant handle extreme bass any where 3/4 volume running reciever at +1 to +3 so that means at 0 level on the receiver you will be at 1/2 on the amp,Most of the drivers start to bottom or crack at high volumes,I cant see any svs being a so called quality sub like most talk about and what i read about broken drivers,You hear people saying that the higher end plus 2's and ultras break glass and knock the fillings out of your teeth and so on,If they think so they can dream about that i guess but svs is not my choice after hearing plenty of drivers bottoming and breaking,try a 12D / 15D/18D Tumult driver and place it in a nice built cabinet with a 18D and run a 500 watt mono amp of good quality and place it beside any SVS or even a pair of the top model SVS subs and you will walk out the door with the Tumult no questions asked.Then again i never ever seen a Tumult bottom even with a 2000 watt mono amp and it was loud and earth shaking !Play the movie sahara and tell me if your so called SVS driver can handle this bass at high volumes Crank her up ,be carefull or you will be sending a driver back to svs,LOL

Wow, from that post I'd have to say you know nothing about HT. It doesn't matter where the dial is, it is all about where the total gain level of your sub is relative to the rest of your system. Measurements must be made to get the system close, then you can tweak it in with your personal preference.

 

[BassHead]

Wow, from that post I'd have to say you know nothing about HT. It doesn't matter where the dial is, it is all about where the total gain level of your sub is relative to the rest of your system. Measurements must be made to get the system close, then you can tweak it in with your personal preference.

Ya just a beginner in audio for the last 25 years but i know better that my Tumult drivers are better than most if you dont think the level controls on your reciever does not change sub output then you need to learn more.If you change level on your recever to - side that means you have to up the volume on your sub to replace gain output sure the sub level in your receiver is adjusted to match with your output of your other speakers you can do the same thing with the volume on the sub its the same thing.You have learned a new thing to day from a technician and a professional HT installer.

 

[mfabien]

You will find Most Svs subs just cant handle extreme bass any where 3/4 volume running reciever at +1 to +3 so that means at 0 level on the receiver you will be at 1/2 on the amp,Most of the drivers start to bottom or crack at high volumes,I cant see any svs being a so called quality sub like most talk about and what i read about broken drivers,You hear people saying that the higher end plus 2's and ultras break glass and knock the fillings out of your teeth and so on...

Didn't buy a SVS for the purpose of breaking anything. Wouldn't enjoy that in the first place. As I said earlier, my fault has been to leave the Gain setting at 11 o'clock refusing to even attempt a higher setting.

 

[mfabien]

...If you change level on your recever to - side that means you have to up the volume on your sub to replace gain output sure the sub level in your receiver is adjusted to match with your output of your other speakers you can do the same thing with the volume on the sub its the same thing.You have learned a new thing to day from a technician and a professional HT installer.

With my Yamaha, the LFE level range is -10 to 0. Other receivers may have different ranges such as -5 to +5, for instance.

 

[mfabien]

Exactly. Let us know what you think of the organ music.

The delivery estimated date is February 22 or 23rd. Will report back.

For US purchase or sampling of music:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000003CXP/ref=sr_11_1/104-5122096-9235924?%5Fencoding=UTF8#moreAboutThisProduct

 

[daman4799]

I run my 20-39PCI at about 10 oclock. Which runs hot at 3. My room is small 12x17 with one small opening. I don't think I could handle anymore volume lol.

Later, Daman

 

[mfabien]

I run my 20-39PCI at about 10 oclock. Which runs hot at 3. My room is small 12x17 with one small opening. I don't think I could handle anymore volume lol.

Later, Daman

Where did you set your LFE level in the receiver, mid way up or at maximum level?

 

[daman4799]

I'm running a Denon 3802, setting are -12 to +12. I've got it set at -6. Just for giggles I just checked the subs settings again. Probably closer to 11 oclock than 10.
Later, Daman

 

[mfabien]

I'm running a Denon 3802, setting are -12 to +12. I've got it set at -6. Just for giggles I just checked the subs settings again. Probably closer to 11 oclock than 10.
Later, Daman

So your settings are about what I had up to now. But my room is quite larger:

For the first 11' in length, there's an open area to the left for a total of 35' in width. Then it remains at 15' wide for the rest or an additional 24' in length (total length = 35'). You can see the open area (towards the bar) to the left, here:

Therefore, my increase in Gain is justified to displace much more air in this room.

 

[daman4799]

Yep, I was just going to reply the same because of my room being so small. By the way nice looking room!

Have fun and good listening, Daman

 

[MacManNM]

Ya just a beginner in audio for the last 25 years but i know better that my Tumult drivers are better than most if you dont think the level controls on your reciever does not change sub output then you need to learn more.If you change level on your recever to - side that means you have to up the volume on your sub to replace gain output sure the sub level in your receiver is adjusted to match with your output of your other speakers you can do the same thing with the volume on the sub its the same thing.You have learned a new thing to day from a technician and a professional HT installer.

You must have a problem reading:

it is all about where the total gain level of your sub is relative to the rest of your system.

The Tumult 15" driver is a good product, but it's $600 for just the driver. Hardly worth it. You can achieve better sound quality and higher SPL using multiple drivers that are much cheaper. So take your driver, build a box, test it, start a company and put SV out of buisness. Sounds simple enough. Stick to installing, leave designing to the engineers.

 

[shokhead]

If i remember right,if you have the gain to high,the auto on wont work.

 

[BassHead]

You must have a problem reading:




The Tumult 15" driver is a good product, but it's $600 for just the driver. Hardly worth it. You can achieve better sound quality and higher SPL using multiple drivers that are much cheaper. So take your driver, build a box, test it, start a company and put SV out of buisness. Sounds simple enough. Stick to installing, leave designing to the engineers.

Yes they are expensive,have you heard one before ?,Have you found any that sound simular?

 

[Loner]

You will find Most Svs subs just cant handle extreme bass any where 3/4 volume running reciever at +1 to +3 so that means at 0 level on the receiver you will be at 1/2 on the amp,Most of the drivers start to bottom or crack at high volumes,I cant see any svs being a so called quality sub like most talk about and what i read about broken drivers,You hear people saying that the higher end plus 2's and ultras break glass and knock the fillings out of your teeth and so on,If they think so they can dream about that i guess but svs is not my choice after hearing plenty of drivers bottoming and breaking,try a 12D / 15D/18D Tumult driver and place it in a nice built cabinet with a 18D and run a 500 watt mono amp of good quality and place it beside any SVS or even a pair of the top model SVS subs and you will walk out the door with the Tumult no questions asked.Then again i never ever seen a Tumult bottom even with a 2000 watt mono amp and it was loud and earth shaking !Play the movie sahara and tell me if your so called SVS driver can handle this bass at high volumes Crank her up ,be carefull or you will be sending a driver back to svs,LOL

Why all the negativity towards SVS? Just curious. The reviews I've read are all very good, the exception being an Axiom 500/600 (I believe) double blind test. One reviewer in particular, Ed Mullen, has given the PB12-Plus, Plus/2 and Ultra/2 great reviews. He seems to be a very respected, unbiased person.

 

[KeithT]

Originally Posted by BassHead
You will find Most Svs subs just cant handle extreme bass any where 3/4 volume running reciever at +1 to +3 so that means at 0 level on the receiver you will be at 1/2 on the amp,Most of the drivers start to bottom or crack at high volumes,I cant see any svs being a so called quality sub like most talk about and what i read about broken drivers,You hear people saying that the higher end plus 2's and ultras break glass and knock the fillings out of your teeth and so on,If they think so they can dream about that i guess but svs is not my choice after hearing plenty of drivers bottoming and breaking,try a 12D / 15D/18D Tumult driver and place it in a nice built cabinet with a 18D and run a 500 watt mono amp of good quality and place it beside any SVS or even a pair of the top model SVS subs and you will walk out the door with the Tumult no questions asked.Then again i never ever seen a Tumult bottom even with a 2000 watt mono amp and it was loud and earth shaking !Play the movie sahara and tell me if your so called SVS driver can handle this bass at high volumes Crank her up ,be carefull or you will be sending a driver back to svs,LOL

A majority of threads I've read about people bottoming their svs' all had the a few common denominators....too big a room combined with not enough sub, too much gain at he reciver and sub. You alway see someone saying "I just purchased pci25-39 and heard a loud metallic sound playing the Darla scene".
Then ask thier settings, room size and did you calibrate, it's almost always the same reply. Don't have an SPL metet, calibrated by ear, gain on sub is at 2:00, I don't know what the receiver level is at, room is 5000sqft cubed.

If this was the case I would have replaced my drivers a few times. My receiver is at 1+, sub gain 11:30(about 6db hot), ss fiter ant 20hz and all ports open. I know this is NOT recommended and have been told by Ron and Tom that this would be detrimental to amp and drivers, but I've running these setting for about 2yrs with no problems. Running with these settings for 1yr with the plus/2 and a year with the ultra/2. I frequently listen at -5 of reference and refefence level whenever the the family is away. No distortion, no bottoming, no problem. My room is just over 5000cubed.

 

[shokhead]

A majority of threads I've read about people bottoming their svs' all had the a few common denominators....too big a room combined with not enough sub, too much gain at he reciver and sub. You alway see someone saying "I just purchased pci25-39 and heard a loud metallic sound playing the Darla scene".
Then ask thier settings, room size and did you calibrate, it's almost always the same reply. Don't have an SPL metet, calibrated by ear, gain on sub is at 2:00, I don't know what the receiver level is at, room is 5000sqft cubed.

If this was the case I would have replaced my drivers a few times. My receiver is at 1+, sub gain 11:30(about 6db hot), ss fiter ant 20hz and all ports open. I know this is NOT recommended and have been told by Ron and Tom that this would be detrimental to amp and drivers, but I've running these setting for about 2yrs with no problems. Running with these settings for 1yr with the plus/2 and a year with the ultra/2. I frequently listen at -5 of reference and refefence level whenever the the family is away. No distortion, no bottoming, no problem. My room is just over 5000cubed.

Odd. I've read a few reviews{a ton} before i got mine and NEVER read that before. Always the otherway,to much sub,alot of people overbought. My room is around 18X20 and opens up to the kitchen on the back and to the living room to one side and my little old 20-39 is more then enough and i like it on the heavy side of bass and LFE.
BTW,my gain is about 11:00

 

[mfabien]

Originally, I intended to buy a PB-10 and someone suggested that e-mail SVS and discuss it.

I submitted dimensions and a plan of my room to Erik of SVS. His response was that my room (about 5,600 c.f, with the extra open area) could cause the PB-10 to be overwhelmed and suggested the PB-12. So on that point, KeithT is correct.

 

[ptalar]

I keep by PB12-Plus/2 gain at about the 9 o'clock position. Anything more and I get hum. I have one port plugged. It sounds great. The room size is 14 x 20 x 8.

 

[j_garcia]

You will find Most Svs subs just cant handle extreme bass any where 3/4 volume running reciever at +1 to +3 so that means at 0 level on the receiver you will be at 1/2 on the amp,Most of the drivers start to bottom or crack at high volumes,I cant see any svs being a so called quality sub like most talk about and what i read about broken drivers,You hear people saying that the higher end plus 2's and ultras break glass and knock the fillings out of your teeth and so on,If they think so they can dream about that i guess but svs is not my choice after hearing plenty of drivers bottoming and breaking,try a 12D / 15D/18D Tumult driver and place it in a nice built cabinet with a 18D and run a 500 watt mono amp of good quality and place it beside any SVS or even a pair of the top model SVS subs and you will walk out the door with the Tumult no questions asked.Then again i never ever seen a Tumult bottom even with a 2000 watt mono amp and it was loud and earth shaking !Play the movie sahara and tell me if your so called SVS driver can handle this bass at high volumes Crank her up ,be carefull or you will be sending a driver back to svs,LOL

SVS makes some of the best subs I've ever heard and I own a Tempest. The PCis don't have the output that my Tempest does, the Plus comes very close, I haven't heard the Ultra, but all of the SVSs I've heard never left any question in my mind that they were all excellent subs. I don't know where you get your crackhead information, but the number of drivers that are sent back to SVS for MECHANICAL failures, not ABUSE, is very low. Keith T is 100% correct. Failures are almost always due to opperator error, not because of a lack of quality, and that is not limited to SVS.