They don't build it like they ues to

brianedm

brianedm

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It's not just the bench tests I've performed hear today to provide an insure as to the sales man talking rubbish about these new recievers out performaning the older genarations I've also read in a few fourms that the new amps out perform over every other amp from an older generation I provided my results as to see how much more performance the new gear had over the older generation I proved the sales man and my brother inlaw wrong with the performance of both my aged recievers in a way that's unexplainable sure these new Amos have more gadgets but power wise I think the manufacturing part of things have changed they slap numbers and words on these things and se
To not be close to the evidence sorry for the confusion wasn't trying to make every fourm member attack me at once
 
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Bryceo

Bryceo

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Well first of all I started with a load test
With my Yamaha speakers they are vintage kinda
Ns-300x, where the old rx-v1000 did rather well as did the rx-v2095 at the 11.00 position playd the full track that has synthesized bass in it,
The the new receiver of Aaron's witch tripped at the 9.00 position
 
fuzz092888

fuzz092888

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It's just funny as I bench tested his amp in the sound proofed sheed of Myn and I also tested his the old vs new old 1 new 0 in crystal clear sound!! Old 1 new 0 in power wise....
Well first of all I started with a load test
With my Yamaha speakers they are vintage kinda
Ns-300x, where the old rx-v1000 did rather well as did the rx-v2095 at the 11.00 position playd the full track that has synthesized bass in it,
The the new receiver of Aaron's witch tripped at the 9.00 position
So you went into the "sheed" and plugged them both in, connected the vintage speakers and saw how loud each could play a single track?

You didn't do any critical listening between the two or measure how many watts were being pushed through the speakers?

Do you know the what the impedance of those speakers is and do you know what the impedance graph looks like? Are they an easy load or a difficult load?
 
fuzz092888

fuzz092888

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I also have to agree that it seems a bit silly to compare an HTIB receiver to a "real" receiver and think that there won't be a difference.

Surprisingly, I think the HTIB with the best "receiver" is an Onkyo model.
 
brianedm

brianedm

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I also have to agree that it seems a bit silly to compare an HTIB receiver to a "real" receiver and think that there won't be a difference.

Surprisingly, I think the HTIB with the best "receiver" is an Onkyo model.
comparing the MSRP its kind of like saying your cobalt doesn't outperform your corvette from 5 years ago :p
 
Bryceo

Bryceo

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Yes we did test this I had an spl gauge purchased from the app store for $8.99
And I had a wattage multiling meater
And a spl bench gauge witch is like a large version of a graph buy digital
 
fuzz092888

fuzz092888

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Yes we did test this I had an spl gauge purchased from the app store for $8.99
And I had a wattage multiling meater
And a spl bench gauge witch is like a large version of a graph buy digital
What model multi-meter?

What is the exact model of the "SPL Bench Gauge"?

What wattages did you measure?

Again, did you do any critical listening?

Do you know anything about the speakers and their impedance and impedance graph?
 
Bryceo

Bryceo

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What model multi-meter?

What is the exact model of the "SPL Bench Gauge"?

What wattages did you measure?

Again, did you do any critical listening?

Do you know anything about the speakers and their impedance and impedance graph?
At the 11.00 listening level the rx-v1000 was 55 watts
Same with the rx-v2095 sat at 55 watts witch was at about 10.30 on the dial
The
Then we did the load as well as what performance I was getting from the recievers witch was verey deseving you'll have to do your own testing to get your own results! I performand my testing and got my results of course I do what do you think I'm stupied or something?
The bench testing Equiment I'm unsure of the brand but it's a few years older then me I got it from my pop witch is a sound performance speshlest
 
brianedm

brianedm

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I got it from my pop witch is a sound performance speshlest
My parents Buissnes was robbed at the end of last year at gun point little did they no there is a gun beside the safe the robber never got to see 2012 new year
Was a Christmas eve inserdent so they'd Emptyd out every money draw the tab money draw and all the pokies


didn't Cross my mind twice is shoot the person with the gun pointed at the side of my head saying its a bad day to own a tavern
Your dad the bar owner/sound performance specialist? A man of many talents.
 
Bryceo

Bryceo

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My dad is Italian mate, my noona and nonall witch ste my fathets parents
my mums father who had a sound shop is my pop we call our parents mum and dad hear in Australia and grand parents pop and nan
 
fuzz092888

fuzz092888

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At the 11.00 listening level the rx-v1000 was 55 watts
Same with the rx-v2095 sat at 55 watts witch was at about 10.30 on the dial
The
Then we did the load as well as what performance I was getting from the recievers witch was verey deseving you'll have to do your own testing to get your own results! I performand my testing and got my results of course I do what do you think I'm stupied or something?
The bench testing Equiment I'm unsure of the brand but it's a few years older then me I got it from my pop witch is a sound performance speshlest
As my momma always told me, stupid as stupid does :)

Anyways, your "results" don't actually tell us a whole lot. You haven't given any real metrics that you were judging each receiver by except for "punch" and that "they don't make stuff like they used to".

First of all, I wouldn't compare an HTIB receiver to a "real" one unless I had good reason to. I don't, but you apparently did. Then you came on to this forum and made a claim. I merely tried to ascertain what led you to this conclusion. All I've garnered from your answers are that both receivers were outputting about the same wattages at arbitrary positions. There is still no actual information to A) support your claim or B) tell us how exactly you determined the "real" receiver was better than the HTIB one except that one had more "punch" which is purely subjective. At this point I have no idea if the "real" receiver is actually better than the HTIB receiver, but based on your wattage measurements and the arbitrary positions of the volume dials it appears they use a similar volume scale. So in a comparison between the two we have a little information. As to your actual claim we have more or less zero information.

All we're asking if that you provide something to support a claim you made. Hey man, you started this discussion, don't get sore at me for asking questions when you don't provide any real information about what you did or that supports what you say. I'm just curious since you brought it up.
 
fuzz092888

fuzz092888

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My dad is Italian mate, my noona and nonall witch ste my fathets parents
my mums father who had a sound shop is my pop we call our parents mum and dad hear in Australia and grand parents pop and nan
What kind of sound shop?
 
Bryceo

Bryceo

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he is rather old and smart so ill usk him if i was testing it right and if not ill get him to help me and ill make a video to go with it :)
 
Bryceo

Bryceo

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Relax Fuzz, we got it, this isn't a senate committee, lol... what started as a harmless post about old vs new, is heading somewhere it need not to....
Cause I didn't think about providing evidence of my findings I'll re do the testing for every one to view
 

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