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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
So when I mentioned that I used the Denon to power the Philharmonic 3, Dynaudio, Focal, Infinity, B&W, Revel, KEF, TAD, were you making fun of all these speakers’ designs?

That’s what I thought you were doing.
You got me curious, because I remember you had sold some of your expensive speakers including the 802 diamond, a B&W bookshelf (forgot the model number) reference model that had frequency response that looked like a straight flat line, a funny looking unusual designed (forgot the manufacturer name altogether but if you do, please jog my memory) speaker designed by a well known engineer type. Then you went with the same gigantic RBH that I believe Gene had at the time. So what happened now, that made you go back to the big R2D2 style B&W diamond, a higher model this time? How much are those selling for now.

By the way, if I remember right @TLS Guy had once mentioned a pair of B&W, 800 series irrc, that were not his but a friend or something, sounded good to him. Just because they fit the bill of hard to drive, doesn't mean they can't sound great and I never thought he had ever said the B&W diamonds didn't sound good or bad overall anyway. So, in the case of those R2D2 speakers, we can say they might have decided to go for the sound quality, and seemingly focussed more on the on axis performance, but are willing to sacrifice "drivability". And I think they (the designed team) might have won the argument and supported by their marketing bosses, that if people are in the position to buy such >$20,000 speakers, they are not going to worry about amplifier requirements.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
You got me curious, because I remember you had sold some of your expensive speakers including the 802 diamond, a B&W bookshelf (forgot the model number) reference model that had frequency response that looked like a straight flat line, a funny looking unusual designed (forgot the manufacturer name altogether but if you do, please jog my memory) speaker designed by a well known engineer type. Then you went with the same gigantic RBH that I believe Gene had at the time. So what happened now, that made you go back to the big R2D2 style B&W diamond, a higher model this time? How much are those selling for now.

By the way, if I remember right @TLS Guy had once mentioned a pair of B&W, 800 series irrc, that were not his but a friend or something, sounded good to him. Just because they fit the bill of hard to drive, doesn't mean they can't sound great and I never thought he had ever said the B&W diamonds didn't sound good or bad overall anyway. So, in the case of those R2D2 speakers, we can say they might have decided to go for the sound quality, and seemingly focussed more on the on axis performance, but are willing to sacrifice "drivability". And I think they (the designed team) might have won the argument and supported by their marketing bosses, that if people are in the position to buy such >$20,000 speakers, they are not going to worry about amplifier requirements.
It was the D3s I measured with the silver cones and not the earlier ones with the yellow kevlar cones, which did not sound good. I can't find the impedance curve, but hear are the FRs, the black line is 90 degrees of axis. The axis and off axis responses were pretty good.



Axis



Axis and off axis responses.



I don't seem to have a record any more of the previous versions with the Kevlar cones, but it was not pretty. The yellow kevlar cones were driven well into their break up mode and sounded like it.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
You got me curious, because I remember you had sold some of your expensive speakers including the 802 diamond…
Here is the Stereophile measurement of the B&W D3:

Here is the B&W D2 (they called them “Diamond” during this time when I bought mine):

And here is the B&W D1:

Here is the B&W D4:


Do you see much of a difference between the D4 vs D3 vs D2 vs D1?

They look almost identical. Typical B&W, doesn’t matter if the drivers are black or yellow. :D

Nobody buys B&W for great measurements. :D

People buy B&W because they love the sound and aesthetic and pride of ownership.
 
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AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
You got me curious, because I remember you had sold some of your expensive speakers including the 802 diamond, a B&W bookshelf (forgot the model number) reference model that had frequency response that looked like a straight flat line, a funny looking unusual designed (forgot the manufacturer name altogether but if you do, please jog my memory) speaker designed by a well known engineer type. Then you went with the same gigantic RBH that I believe Gene had at the time. So what happened now, that made you go back to the big R2D2 style B&W diamond, a higher model this time? How much are those selling for now.

By the way, if I remember right @TLS Guy had once mentioned a pair of B&W, 800 series irrc, that were not his but a friend or something, sounded good to him. Just because they fit the bill of hard to drive, doesn't mean they can't sound great and I never thought he had ever said the B&W diamonds didn't sound good or bad overall anyway. So, in the case of those R2D2 speakers, we can say they might have decided to go for the sound quality, and seemingly focussed more on the on axis performance, but are willing to sacrifice "drivability". And I think they (the designed team) might have won the argument and supported by their marketing bosses, that if people are in the position to buy such >$20,000 speakers, they are not going to worry about amplifier requirements.




The KEF 201/2 had the flat FR.

I have always loved the B&W 800D aesthetics. But I am not buying them again. They cost like $35K now. :D

But I still talk about them in general.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi




The KEF 201/2 had the flat FR.

I have always loved the B&W 800D aesthetics. But I am not buying them again. They cost like $35K now. :D

But I still talk about them in general.
You call my speakers “garage” speakers, and then you have that speaker on the right with a magnet full face on! That is sure the proverbial “kettle calling the pot black!”
 
flyboylr45

flyboylr45

Senior Audioholic
The 802D2s don’t sound good? Jeez, they’re not as dynamic as the SVTRSs but damn…. I regret selling them… I looked at the 802D4s for my family room but like ADTG said, they’re $34000!!!

Also regret selling all the MC stuff :(


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