Irv: AVRs = too much size, too much heat, annoying \/ cheap \/ cramped rear connections.\nRobot: You're so right, Irv. You win.\n\nI do agree that the rear panel of most AVR either now lack the connectivity of the past or there is so much going on that it's irritating to connect speaker wire. Even with banana plugs.\n\nMy Denon x4300h is the best one I've seen even though I don't use most of what's available. The speaker terminals are easy to get to. Can't say the same for my 1300.