The Marantz "Cinema Series" "2022-2023" AV Pre-Launch Thread

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mars2k

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Sounds good, AV 10, I have owned a dozen Marantz surround processors over the last decade or so. What I want to know is other than more channels, how the architecture and processing is different is it quiter? We know it does more stuff but does it do more stuff better?
On other sites, (cough , ASR) You have people comparing very simple stereo DACs with complex multi channel multi purpose machines like flagship Marantz products and slamming the comlex model becuase it's noisier. Totally Bogus perspective.
Also, Roon Tested? Does anyone actually know if the AV10 will function as a Roon end Point.
When are we getting our hands on a review sample?
I'm ready to buy but not untill this unit has some trusted credentials other than brand history.
 
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mars2k

Enthusiast
TheAVInsider said:
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2022-2023 Marantz Cinema Series


Stereo 70s......Replaces NR1200.....Expected Q4 2023

Cinema 70s....Replaces NR1711.....Expected Q4 2022

Cinema 60......Replaces SR5015.....Expected Q4 2022

Cinema 50......Replaces SR6015.....Expected Q4 2022

Cinema 40......Replaces SR7015.....Expected Q3 2023

AV 10 + AMP 10 are the New Flagship Separates.....Expected Q3 2023

Further additions and updates..........Expected 2024

-“S” denotes the slimline
-“Stereo”, “Cinema”, “AV”, and “AMP” are the new naming conventions
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Things that you may notice at first glance
-New Target Markets and Marketing Strategies
-New design step-up by price point, but all materials are premium
-HDAM SA-2
-Marantz logo on the Power Transformer
-New Premium Remote
-New HD GUI is now called “Marantz Teal”
-Keeping the Porthole
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New Features
-CINEMA Series includes these plus many more new improvements and technology
• CINEMA 40 and above are made in Shirakawa
• Up to 4 independent subwoofer outputs (Cinema 50 and above have 4 independent Sub outputs, the others have two)
• Up to 7 native 8K inputs
• Dual subwoofer modes for better blending with main channels (cinema 50 and above)
• Preamp mode shuts off internal amps (all models)
• Dirac Live permits the most advanced room correction suite on the market (Cinema 50 and above)
• Across the board improvements in audio performance (all models)
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New and Improved AVR Experience
• 8K, Dynamic HDR content through AVR to 8K TVs – Improved – No. Of 8K/60 inputs increases, depends by model
• 4K HDR, Dolby Vision content through AVR to 4K TVs and projectors.
• Latency free gaming experience with the latest gaming consoles with higher frame rate, variable refresh rate and auto low latency mode
• Dolby Atmos, DTS:X objected based 3D sound formats up to 15.4 channel speaker configurations such as 9.4.6 Dolby Atmos/DTS:X pro layout (AV10 only)
• Enjoy most powerful, room-filling LFE performance up to 4 subwoofer connections – New
• Enjoy IMAX theater experience at home with IMAX Enhanced content
• Thanks to Dolby Atmos Height Virtualization and DTS Virtual:X technologies, enjoy 3D audio experience only from floor level speakers as small as 2.1 setup
• Enthusiasts, music lovers can enjoy Auro 3D content as well as Auro-Matic up-mixing up to 13.1 channel (7.4.6) out of box.
• Take advantage of built-in Audyssey room calibration and EQ technology to optimize room acoustics out of box, customize further via the Audyssey MultEQ editor app.
• More advanced users can take full advantage of “Dirac Live” upgradability for more professional and remote calibration through PC or smart devices – New AV10, C30,40,50
• Connect more powerful external amplifiers for all channel or your desired channels with least interference from internal amplification thanks to PreAmplifier mode or Pre-out only option for each speaker channel – New
• Enjoy single HDMI connection from AVR to the TV for TV Audio. Take uncompressed 3D audio from TV apps to the AVR through eARC (Enhanced Audio Return Channel).
• All supported by excellent audio quality thoroughly tuned by Denon and Marantz sound masters.
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Cinema 70s
7.2 Channel 50W Slimline AV Receiver

Summary
- Latest A/V formats for pristine picture quality and best immersive sound experience
- Powerful, immersive 3D soundscape, even with a 2.1 set up
- Made with the installer in mind for ease of installation and management for the High End / Luxury consumer
- Slim form allows for easier installation in media consoles and racks
- Replaces NR1711

Specs / New Feature Enhancements
- 7.2 channel, 50w per channel AV Receiver. 7.2 channel preouts
- 6/1 HDMI input/output, 3 inputs supporting 8K / 60Hz and 4K / 120Hz passthrough.
- Modern, high resolution TV Graphical User Interface for 4K/8K TVs
- Dolby Atmos, DTS:X
- Audyssey MultEQ
- Pre-amp mode for each channel, allowing greater customization
- Luxury industrial design

Change from NR1711
• New back panel printing design
• Increased the “8K HDMI IN” terminals (1 => 3)
• Remove the Component Video in/out and the Video in/Out
• Add the 7.2ch PRE out

(SRP) US $1200 / CA $1600

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Cinema 60
7.2 Channel 100W AV Receiver

Summary
- Latest A/V formats for pristine picture quality and best immersive sound experience
- Powerful, immersive 3D soundscape, even with a 2.1 setup
- Made with the installer in mind for ease of installation and management for the High End / Luxury consumer
- Replaces SR5015

Specs / New Feature Enhancements
- 7.2 channel, 100w per channel AV Receiver. 7.2 channel preouts
- 6/2 HDMI input/output, 3 inputs supporting 8K / 60Hz and 4K / 120Hz passthrough.
- Modern, high resolution TV Graphical User Interface for 4K/8K TVs
- Dolby Atmos, DTS:X
- Audyssey MultEQ XT
- Pre-amp mode for each channel, allowing greater customization
- Marantz HDAM design
- Luxury industrial design

Changes from SR5015
• New back panel printing design
• Increased the “8K HDMI IN” terminals (1 => 3)
• Remove the Component Video in/out and the Video in/Out

(SRP) US $1700 / CA $2200

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Cinema 50
9.4 Channel 110W AV Receiver

Summary
- Latest A/V formats for pristine picture quality and best immersive sound experience
- Powerful, immersive 3D soundscape, even with a 2.1 set up
- Made with the installer in mind for ease of installation and management for the High End / Luxury consumer
- Replaces SR6015

Specs / New Feature Enhancements
- 9.4 channel, 110w per channel AV Receiver. 11.4 channel preouts
- 6/3 HDMI input/output, all inputs supporting 8K / 60Hz and 4K / 120Hz passthrough.
- Modern, high resolution TV Graphical User Interface for 4K/8K TVs
- Dolby Atmos, DTS:X, IMAX Enhanced, Auro 3D
- Audyssey MultEQ XT32, Dirac Live upgradable
- Pre-amp mode for each channel, allowing greater customization
- Marantz HDAM design
- Luxury industrial design

Changes from SR6015
• New back panel printing design
• Decreased the “HDMI IN” terminals (7 => 6)
• Increased the “8K HDMI IN” terminals (1 => 6)
• Increased the “SUBWOOFER” terminals (2 => 4)
• Remove the Component Video in/out and the Video in/Out and the 7.1 ch in

(SRP) US $2500 / CA $3300

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Cinema 40
9.4 Channel 125W AV Receiver

Summary
- Latest A/V formats for pristine picture quality and best immersive sound experience
- Powerful, immersive 3D soundscape, even with a 2.1 setup
- Made with the installer in mind for ease of installation and management for the High End / Luxury consumer
- Replaces SR7015

Specs / New Feature Enhancements
- 9.4 channel, 125w per channel AV Receiver. 11.4 channel preouts
- 7/3 HDMI input/output, all inputs supporting 8K / 60Hz and 4K / 120Hz passthrough.
- Modern, high resolution TV Graphical User Interface for 4K/8K TVs
- Dolby Atmos, DTS:X, IMAX Enhanced, Auro 3D
- Audyssey MultEQ XT32, Dirac Live upgradable
- Pre-amp mode for each channel, allowing greater customization
- Marantz HDAM design
- Luxury industrial design
- Made in Shirakawa Audio Works, Japan

Change from SR7015
• New back panel printing design
• Increase the “TRIGGER OUT” terminals (2 => 3)
• Increased the “8K HDMI IN” terminals (1 => 7)
• Increased the “SUBWOOFER” terminals (2 => 4)
• Remove the Component Video in/out

(SRP) US $3500 / CA $4500

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AV 10
15.4 Channel AV Pre Amplifier

Summary
- The most powerful and customizable system to create your ultimate Home Theater
- Latest A/V formats for pristine picture quality and best immersive sound experience
- Powerful, immersive 3D soundscape
- Made with the installer in mind for ease of installation and management for the High End / Luxury consumer

Specs / New Feature Enhancements
- 15.4 channel processing with advanced bass management. 4 subwoofer connections
- 7/3 HDMI input/output, all inputs supporting 8K / 60Hz and 4K / 120Hz passthrough
- Modern, high resolution TV Graphical User Interface for 4K/8K TVs
- Dolby Atmos, DTS:X Pro, IMAX Enhanced, Auro 3D
- Audyssey MultEQ XT32, Dirac Live upgradable
- Toroidal Power Transformer, 19 channel monolithic HDAM design
- Luxury industrial design
- Made in Shirakawa Audio Works, Japan
- 1 colorway

(SRP) US $7000 / CA $9000

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AMP 10
16 Channel 200W Power Amplifier

Summary
- The most powerful and customizable system to create your ultimate Home Theater
- Made with the installer in mind for ease of installation and management for the High End / Luxury consumer

Key Specs & Technologies
- 16-channel power amplifier with newly developed Class D amplification
- 200W + 200W at 8ohms, 1kHz, 2 channel driven
- 400W + 400W at 8ohms, 1kHz, 2 channel driven at BTL (Bridge-Tied Load)
- 16 channel XLR/RCA inputs
- Toroidal Power Transformer. Marantz HDAM design. Porthole analog level meter
- Luxury industrial design
- Made in Shirakawa Audio Works, Japan
- 1 colorway

(SRP) US $7000 / CA $9000
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Beg Pardon, my understanding was AV10 would release end of OCT 22
 
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mars2k

Enthusiast
TheAVInsider said:
Your a God and a Legend Gene.
Thanks for the compliment.
Nice thread resurrection too. I swear it was deleted once.
Thanks for bringing the early details out into to the light...again. Youtube is a great platform, but I won't touch it.
LMN if there's anything else you would like to publish, and I'll see if there's anymore cats around here that need to be unbagged.
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Cat unbagging one of my favorite hobbies
 
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mars2k

Enthusiast
PENG said:
You do have a good reason to use the 7.1 analog inputs so either go with the flag ship model Denon AVR or Marantz if the 30 is a replacement of the SR8015. Are there features you need that are not available on the 8015?
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Trinnov Altitude 16/32 do not have surround analogue in, nor XLR for that matter, which sucks because my OPPO UDP 205 has surround analogue out . Good thing 205's HDMI audio only connection is pretty jitter free it works great with my Trinnov and will pass atmos music in a way the nanalogue out will not
 
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mars2k

Enthusiast
gene said:
Most AVRs and processors downs ample to 48khz either for room correction or bass management. It's a non issue.
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You only get 96khz with Trinnov 32, 48 with Trinnov 16
 
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mars2k

Enthusiast
lc6 said:
What exactly is this 'patina' he is referring to? Is this some kind of unevenness in the FR?
Also, what is the durability of Marantz AVR compared to Denon and Yamaha?
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"Patina" from the Latin root , "To make stuff up as you go"
 
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dlaloum

Senior Audioholic
Apparently, at least one Melbourne, Australia, dealer has the AV10 in the store today....

So they are definitely out there folks!
 
Epsonfan

Epsonfan

Full Audioholic
I am a customer for Cinema30 for sure , I heard somebody was saying the some features on the 30 were borrowed from Trinnov Altitude , or that could be internet talk.;)
Any Marantz resellers lurking I am in for the Cinema30 let me know
 
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Rod1

Audiophyte
I like the 4 sub outputs. BTW, I added a second JL Fathom 113 to my system, and it made a BIG difference. Question: Will these SU receivers support an 80Hz high pass for my LCR speakers (B&W 802-D2’s)? I want it to work like the JL Audio CR-1 active crossover.
Thanks,
Rod
 
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da Choge

Enthusiast
Does anyone know if there is going to be a replacement for the SR8015?; maybe the Cinema 30? - or is it just a rumor amongst hopefuls? If it might be coming, when would be the expected time frame of its arrival?
 
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TheAVInsider

Junior Audioholic
da Choge said:
Does anyone know if there is going to be a replacement for the SR8015?; maybe the Cinema 30? - or is it just a rumor amongst hopefuls? If it might be coming, when would be the expected time frame of its arrival?
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Yeah. Of course. Try back in one full year. Will probably line up with the known Denon 6 series lifecycle.
 
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EBN

Audioholic
-New Target Markets
-New design step-up by price point, but all materials are premium
-Across the board improvements in audio performance (all models)




With the higher pricing, promises of improvements in audio performance and possibly aiming to compete with premium companies has anyone got reply from Marantz that they are really using the same mediocre TI dac chip in new models like Denons? @PENG mentioned the TI dac being used in some cheap 600$ receiver and now 3500$ Cinema 40 too? We saw the drop in performance with X3800H for higher price which is not good.



Cinema 50 is going to measure worse than X3800H with same TI dac as only the Cinema 40 model have improved HDAM SA2 version like in the 8015. Add the slow dac filtering making a big mess and we possibly get even much worse measurements than SR6014/7015 had with AKM4458 dac. With the price tag of 2500$!

I understand sharing parts with Denon is effective, but if these models suppose to be the more luxury version with better audio performance then it would made sense to use some better spec ESS dac chip 9026 Pro or similar which has potential for better objective peformance if they implement it the right way. Marantz could have marketed the better dac like few company does to boost sales further, "New Cinema serie comes with audiophile level XX dac." Two Denon models already using ESS dacs so they could have easily got some good deal buying boat load of them.
 
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