The Known Universe

[Halon451]

Infinite must apply to space. You note in the OP's video that it goes out as far as man can perceive? Well, that's only as far as we can see and our perception does not define the finite boundary of the edge of space. Presumably, the universe goes on beyond our ability to detect or define it. I guess you could say that space is "probably" infinite because we will never be able to locate it's finite end, only the limits of our observation.

As far as man can perceive is documented science - beyond this is still left to pure speculation and theories abound, none of which have been officially proven. Doubtful that they ever will be in my opinion - we will likely just expand that horizon further and further as technology catches up and we're able to peer even deeper into the most remote reaches of the universe, yet there will always be what lies beyond that. The interesting thing about this video is that it does seem to fully support the concepts of a big bang and a one-time singularity. This of course leads some to not only contemplate infinity as a measure of how BIG something is, but of rather how small it can be at the same time. Infinity works both ways.

 

[highfigh]

Well, some people say that our universe stretches to Infinity
- How can some space be infinite
- If it's not Infinie, how can it not be, there must be an end to all the universes, and what's behind that again?

But, infinity can't be defined, so our infinite universe may be part of a whole larger infinite space.

I was watching Nova or some similar show on PBS and they had some physicists talking about the size of the universe. One said that he and some others in astro/theoretical physics were on a train, going into NYC for some event and when each would start a sentence, the others would finish it, with some interesting results. One was that the total of all space is mostly empty and our universe is one of many, kind of like a jar of marbles. They don't necessarily touch, but they're there. They also discussed the possibility that the Big Bang was the result of a collision between two universes.

 

[rnatalli]

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/universe_soccer_031008.html

Fun reading.

Here's my thinking. Space and time are related. How does one account for now? Now is only a moment, but how much is a moment. 1,000,000 microseconds? Does this go on till infinite smallness? I think no. Time obviously passes hence, something finite exists.

 

[Halon451]

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/universe_soccer_031008.html

Fun reading.

Here's my thinking. Space and time are related. How does one account for now? Now is only a moment, but how much is a moment. 1,000,000 microseconds? Does this go on till infinite smallness? I think no. Time obviously passes hence, something finite exists.

Very cool theory. To think that we actually may just be a gigantic soccer ball, and maybe the real universe exists on the playing field where this ball sits, ready for some kid to come along and score a goal, Then he in turn exists in another, similar universe one that mimics our own, so on and so forth - though I sound like I'm joking, in fact this another theory that has persisted along with the idea of multiple universes existing side by side - universes that exist within each other, infinitely. This would obviously suggest a finite end to each universe, yet an infinite number of them "stacked" within each other.

For the record, time cannot be infinitely small, but the measurement of it can be - one can theoretically divide the second by two an infinite number of times (and if they are patient enough!) - while many billionths of a degree smaller than one second for example, it would in fact indicate time has elapsed, just on a scale so small we can't even imagine it.

Oh, and what if C-A-T really spelled dog?

 

[lsiberian]

Time is only a relative concept created by man via the relation between spacial entities.

Us Cats need not worry about such things. This is why we post on Audio forums all day.

 

[highfigh]

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/universe_soccer_031008.html

Fun reading.

Here's my thinking. Space and time are related. How does one account for now? Now is only a moment, but how much is a moment. 1,000,000 microseconds? Does this go on till infinite smallness? I think no. Time obviously passes hence, something finite exists.

Time has been recognized as the fourth dimension for a long, long time. I still want to hear a good explanation of how they define and find the fifth+ dimensions.

 

[highfigh]

Oh, and what if C-A-T really spelled dog?

It is- just not in this universe and dimension. Remember the Star Trek episode where the parallel universe people switched places with the normal ones and the ones from the parallel universe had goatees and moustaches? Same kind of thing.

 

[haraldo]

So true, so true. I have Infinity speakers in my living room. I have Infinity speakers in my truck. I have Infinity speakers in my car. Other people have Infinity speakers. There really is no end to it.

How many dimensions? There's two. Here and now.
Then and there? C'mon, who are you trying to kid?

ha ha ha ha ha
We're just not intelligent enough to grasp the concept of infinity relating to space...

I get lost when people start talking about 7, 8 and 9 dimensional space, perhaps that's what explains infinity

 

[highfigh]

ha ha ha ha ha
We're just not intelligent enough to grasp the concept of infinity relating to space...

I get lost when people start talking about 7, 8 and 9 dimensional space, perhaps that's what explains infinity

I have known people who seemed to have infinite, empty space between their ears- does that count?

 

[Halon451]

...and the ones from the parallel universe had goatees and moustaches?

Hey, these kinds of anomalies are bound to happen between and betwixt parallel universes as they are. I mean, my equivalent parallel universe counterpart right now is probably enjoying a full head of hair, a job he really likes and an endless supply of funds to cater to his obsessive A/V hobby - except in that universe, Monster and Bose really ARE superior products, and Monoprice sells $20,000 speaker wire. Weird...

 

[Alex2507]

In my parallel universe Adam lives right next door with a wife and kid but no dog.

 

[STRONGBADF1]

In my parallel universe Adam lives right next door with a wife and kid but no dog.

He's also 6'2" and 200#...

 

[STRONGBADF1]

I have known people who seemed to have infinite, empty space between their ears- does that count?

Take that back!

 

[STRONGBADF1]

Hey, these kinds of anomalies are bound to happen between and betwixt parallel universes as they are. I mean, my equivalent parallel universe counterpart right now is probably enjoying a full head of hair, a job he really likes and an endless supply of funds to cater to his obsessive A/V hobby - except in that universe, Monster and Bose really ARE superior products, and Monoprice sells $20,000 speaker wire. Weird...

and Klipsch is all about the ribbon tweeters....

 

[haraldo]

In my parallel universe Adam lives right next door with a wife and kid but no dog.

I also get lost when Alex starts talking about his universe, coz it doesn't make sense to me at all

 

[haraldo]

I have known people who seemed to have infinite, empty space between their ears- does that count?

Yes, didn't think of that, their brains contradict the relativity theory and is proof that it needs corrections.....

 

[highfigh]

Yes, didn't think of that, their brains contradict the relativity theory and is proof that it needs corrections.....

You can test for this by 'thunking' their head, which is the same way someone would check a watermelon or cantaloupe for ripeness. If they turn and shout "HEY!", it proves that they have a small particle of brain and nothing more. This only proves irritability, which is defined in scientific use as "the ability to react to stimuli".

 

[Halon451]

You can test for this by 'thunking' their head, which is the same way someone would check a watermelon or cantaloupe for ripeness. If they turn and shout "HEY!", it proves that they have a small particle of brain and nothing more. This only proves irritability, which is defined in scientific use as "the ability to react to stimuli".

*Thunks his own head... frowns...

 

[haraldo]

You can test for this by 'thunking' their head, which is the same way someone would check a watermelon or cantaloupe for ripeness. If they turn and shout "HEY!", it proves that they have a small particle of brain and nothing more. This only proves irritability, which is defined in scientific use as "the ability to react to stimuli".

I can't wait to test this theory in practice
What if there's no "thunk" sound? or if there's just a "plopp" or "plunk" sound?

 

[highfigh]

*Thunks his own head... frowns...

At least you didn't check to find out who did that to you. That shows intelligence far beyond that of some people I know.