The Dolby Atmos, DTS-X, and Auro-3D Discussion Thread

AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
with Dolby Atmos in ceiling approach, once you cut holes in the selling, its done. If you don't get it right you're screwed.
As MANY of us have said REPEATEDLY SO MANY TIMES, you don’t NEED holes in the ceiling and in-ceiling speakers for Atmos.

You could install your speakers just like Auro3D. Then enjoy all 3 formats - Auro3D, DTSX, and Atmos.

So there. Install the speakers for Auro3D and enjoy all 3 formats.

And I do hope that Auro3D will somehow catch on in the USA. Then Yamaha and all manufacturers will implement Auro3D.

I would also love it if SDDS somehow made it to HT. Then maybe we can have SDDS-Atmo/DTSX/Auro3D.

The more the merrier. Why limit our options?
 
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Danzilla31

Audioholic Ninja
That might not be a good idea if your ceiling isn't high for bookshelf speakers, the sound might be too much coming from a bookshelf speaker directly above you. That might be massive undertaking, you wouldn't want one of the speakers to come down from the ceiling. I always think about that when going to a Dolby Cinema.
One problem with in ceilings no matter how good they are is you lose a LOT off of axis response because you can't angle them at 45 degrees per Dolby and you can't aim them precisely

Triad and a few other excellent companies do it right though they build in ceilings with the proper angle

But there not cheap rather go with bookshelves great performance for better bang for your buck

And they are not hard to mount on ceilings I've done it before
 
DigitalDawn

DigitalDawn

Full Audioholic
Thanks to their 45 degree angle design, Triad's InCeiling speakers will project the sound down to the listener, and it will seem like it's coming directly from the TV wall. Our customers love them.
 
Auditor55

Auditor55

Audioholic Chief
I love articulated mounts and it's actually pretty easy using those to put speakers any place I want

As for height as long as your ceiling is 9 to 10ft high I think your all good you could maybe get away with 8ft too mind you the bookshelves don't have to be gigantic to handle atmos duties

BUT MINE WOULD BE!!!! :D

JBL studio 590's on the ceiling anyone? ;)
That's true, 9-10 feet, would be a good height.
 
Auditor55

Auditor55

Audioholic Chief
I apologize if you feel picked on, its just that you sounded like you were putting Atmos DOWN (home version) without auditioning it for yourself. I mean you said that the home setup of Atmos couldn't be like the cinema version, but I feel my system is better than some theaters I've been in (no way am I saying all of the cinemas, it's just that I don't have to worry about seating, and loudness). Some times when the landlady is away, and the wife is not here, I listen to my favorite scenes at reference level with all the options I have.
No, I like getting opinions that might differ from my own. Its cool. That's what's good about the Audioholics forum, you can go against the grain here.

I'm not disparaging Atmos, I'm just critical or even skeptical of how Dolby Labs recommends implementing Atmos in the home. In my opinion, It's the most impractical of all the immersive systems. Dolby realized that so they came up with the Dolby Atmos enabled speakers. I heard demos of both ceiling speakers and enabled speakers.

I'm telling you there are others that are also critical of Atmos, it's not just me. As far as cinema Atmos, when they building out from the ground up, the theater is set-up to strict Dolby Labs specifications. So it's done, for the most part, exactly how Dolby recommends.
 
Auditor55

Auditor55

Audioholic Chief
As MANY of us have said REPEATEDLY SO MANY TIMES, you don’t NEED holes in the ceiling and in-ceiling speakers for Atmos.

You could install your speakers just like Auro3D. Then enjoy all 3 formats - Auro3D, DTSX, and Atmos.

So there. Install the speakers for Auro3D and enjoy all 3 formats.

And I do hope that Auro3D will somehow catch on in the USA. Then Yamaha and all manufacturers will implement Auro3D.

I would also love it if SDDS somehow made it to HT. Then maybe we can have SDDS-Atmo/DTSX/Auro3D.

The more the merrier. Why limit our options?
I understand you don't have cut holes in the ceiling.
I agree, never limit your options. I read most of the post from various member experiences with their immersive audio systems.
 
Auditor55

Auditor55

Audioholic Chief
One problem with in ceilings no matter how good they are is you lose a LOT off of axis response because you can't angle them at 45 degrees per Dolby and you can't aim them precisely

Triad and a few other excellent companies do it right though they build in ceilings with the proper angle

But there not cheap rather go with bookshelves great performance for better bang for your buck

And they are not hard to mount on ceilings I've done it before
How about this:)

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Danzilla31

Audioholic Ninja
Wow. That’s commitment. Too bad it looks like a regular 5.2 system.
Yeah but all he has to do is set up his base layer and he's got an 7.4.18 setup future proof for atmos and beyond!!!!! Like Buzz Lightyear said TO INFINITY AND BEYOND!!!!!

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AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
the theater is set-up to strict Dolby Labs specifications
That's the other point we are trying to make.

It does NOT need to be STRICT specifications to sound GREAT!

Just put 2 LITTLE speakers ON THE WALL (NOT IN CEILING) above your head level. Now you are ALL SET for Atmos/DTSX!

So FORGET about any "strict" specifications.
 
William Lemmerhirt

William Lemmerhirt

Audioholic Spartan
That's the other point we are trying to make.

It does NOT need to be STRICT specifications to sound GREAT!

Just put 2 LITTLE speakers ON THE WALL (NOT IN CEILING) above your head level. Now you are ALL SET for Atmos/DTSX!

So FORGET about any "strict" specifications.
Yep. Exactly. People commonly over analyze the whole thing and let great be the enemy of good. Will you get better performance by following tighter to the guidelines? Arguably, yes you will but that doesn’t mean you can’t have a great experience by getting close.
 
VonMagnum

VonMagnum

Senior Audioholic
1) nobody gives a Fukk. Atmos thread...
2) try DSX wides...
3) pretty sure sdds-8 was only useful in large cinemas.
4) I have an idea. Go find the VHS thread...
....
Like I tell my kids. It’s not what you say, but how you say it.
(Shakes head). Please consider your own advice. That's sad talking to that poor guy like that. It's not easy trying to convey things when Dolby made it sound like their layout is completely incompatible with Auro-3D (and they could have easily made it fully compatible with a few extra rendering locations in their rendering processor, but they WANTED to be arseholes and WANTED to ban everyone else from using anything they do as well until the European Court system stopped them cold. I can't say I'm too happy with their BS. Height speakers work fine with both. If the room is too long, it needs some top middle bridge speakers (they can be MATRIXED even and work fine; they just need to give a hard location so the imaging stretches past 120 degrees). The speakers don't need to be "in ceiling" even at 45/-45. They can be ON CEILING (much easier to set up; I'd use flat wires if you can't get it up in the ceiling). Just mount something like a PSB CS500 to a joist and it's aimable as well. My system works with everything perfectly fine and I'm using bookshelf, side height plus an on ceiling combination. The drivers don't know how they're mounted. They just blend together....

BTW, most (really ALL) of the Sony SDDS 8-speaker locations ARE also Dolby Atmos locations if you have a Trinnov processor so with one of those you could do play Atmos movies using the same layout (or more). I have a DSX (Marantz 7010) AVR here. I hated it. The extra reverb was fake/echoey sounding to my ears.



With my account still running like a snail and errors galore I'll leave you guys to your yelling at people while people are dying everywhere.... You've got to know what's important in life.

My job is infrastructure critical (I'm exempt from all lockdown/shelter orders) so I'm working whether I like it or not while everyone else either enjoys time off watching movies in lockdown (although I feel sorry for the ones that aren't getting paid). It's a messed up situation. I actually think it's not impossible I may have already had the virus back in the middle of January (as I had the exact symptoms of it with a 100 degree temperature for 2 days and a cough for 10-12 or so and I took 5 days off work at the time), but that's before it supposedly got to the US so it's hard to say whether it might have already been here in some key places or not and mistaken for the cold or flu during that time (they do NO testing for anything less than dying so there's no way to tell/know other than make assumptions which may or may not be true). I was in Oklahoma for almost a month and came back with the plane 2/3 empty. I didn't see anyone coughing at the Atlanta airport stop. Is it really as catching as they want you to think or is it still similar to all cold viruses, but cold viruses normally don't kill so no one pays that much attention to them and the transmission rates until now? Anyway despite some doctors out there saying it's no good, I'm taking zinc lozenges daily (trying to keep it under 50mg without symptoms as zinc starts becoming somewhat toxic at around 40mg if taken for long periods of time thus Zicam and Cold-Eze and the rest have higher yet doses to fight the cold viruses, but you're only supposed to take them at that 400mg+ level for only for 1 week) anyway (a doctor that studied corona viruses in general for over 20 years is also taking them so that should tell you something) and I have a load of tonic water here as well (chloroquine is a synthetic version of good old quinine that's in tonic water. Yeah, you'd have to drink 5 liters a day to get the same dose as the French trials and it's not the same exact thing, but hell, it's got my vote (and an excuse to drink gin & tonics after work!) and I think preventive doses would be much lower (I'm drinking 0.5-1.0 liter of sugar free tonic water a day now). Waste of time? Maybe bad for me? Maybe, but given the world has offered exactly NOTHING in the way of protection beyond distancing, gloves, wash hands, etc. else so far but telling people to stay home (except those of us that keep the infrastructure going; we're expendable don't you know), I'll take trying those at safe doses over nothing. I'm NOT telling anyone else to do the same. Do your own research and come to your own conclusions. I don't trust doctors to tell the truth (I've had too many idiot ones that got my diagnosis wrong for YEARS on something basic; they're not all good at troubleshooting and they weren't all A-students either). I've got a loose rib even now (costochondritis) that a specialist won't recognize because it was diagnosed (correctly) by a chiropractor that runs into it all the time so he won't do anything. I've had it shift and mega pain again and then one time for example I sneezed and my rib cage moved back into place (I could feel the floating ribs on the side move and click) and 90% pain reduction again (spine checked with MRI; not it so you can guess what I think of that doctor too). Good luck people.

I've got Jumanji 3 in Atmos (streaming is Atmos; UHD disc when available is DTS:X in IMAX Enhanced) and The Rise of Skywalker (Atmos) to watch on my days off....
 
fabiocz

fabiocz

Junior Audioholic
What is the negative and positive side of using Neural X in an Atmos audio? I tried to change and felt that the neural x did very well if not better than the original atmos audio itself.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
What is the negative and positive side of using Neural X in an Atmos audio? I tried to change and felt that the neural x did very well if not better than the original atmos audio itself.
I‘ve said the same thing regarding some Atmos tracks.

Bottom line, if the original tracks (Atmos, Auro3D or whatever) don’t sound that good, I would turn on NeuralX to see of it sounds better.

If it sounds better, then it’s all good. :D
 
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Denx4100

Enthusiast
I‘ve said the same thing regarding some Atmos tracks.

Bottom line, if the original tracks (Atmos, Auro3D or whatever) don’t sound that good, I would turn on NeuralX to see of it sounds better.

If it sounds better, then it’s all good. :D
I heard somewhere that you get better results playing a cross version of a audio track ( Dolby HD) by neural x using the PCM
 
FOMO

FOMO

Audiophyte
That's the other point we are trying to make.

It does NOT need to be STRICT specifications to sound GREAT!

Just put 2 LITTLE speakers ON THE WALL (NOT IN CEILING) above your head level. Now you are ALL SET for Atmos/DTSX!

So FORGET about any "strict" specifications.
What about the source itself? I have not found any movies coded for Auro3D? Or is upmixing Dolby content effective enough?
 
William Lemmerhirt

William Lemmerhirt

Audioholic Spartan
What about the source itself? I have not found any movies coded for Auro3D? Or is upmixing Dolby content effective enough?
Auro is pretty much DOA in the us. You can buy some titles from across the pond. I haven’t bought any as I have no interest in auro, but I’ve read about some that have.
 

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