SVS Sub

[mfabien]

too bad you weren't in Canada, I'd might be interested. But i think shipping from the states would be $$$

Last Monday, I received my SVS PB-12 ISD weighing 87 lbs in it's box (78 lbs sub). The UPS fee charged by SVS was $58.50.

 

[ptalar]

I bought the PB12-Plus/2 in March and the Wife was very upset. I had told her the dimensions before I bought it: 28" x 18" x 25" but the full realization of how big that was did not dawn until it actually arrived and I put the sub in the family room. She chewed me out, but after a while she got used to it. It does not bother her anymore. I mitigate the impact by only playing my HT at low volume levels when she is home. Other than that this sub is a keeper. It was a big improvement over the Klipsch KSW-12 sub I had before.

I would suggest you just leave it in the house and don't play it for a while or only play it when the wife is not around.

Good luck. I hate to see you sell a good sub that you want to keep but the WAF is low.

Phil

 

[emason17]

Thanks for your reply. I feel the same way, but am not opposed to switching- even if I lose a little bit of money. I just dont think that the performance will come even close to the SVS. I have a big room and I think this one is one of the few that will suffice.

 

[annunaki]

Thankfully, my wife tolorates my addiction. I asked if she would be opposed to me upgrading to 7.1 and she said no. I even explained where I would have to place speakers and everything! Man I love her! Sorry guys, I am not trying to brag.

That is an awfully big sub though. I bet it does quite well.

 

[rumble]

Ever look into an Infinite Baffle sub? They can just about be completely hidden from sight in the main listening room. Downside is that you must have a separate area adjacent to the listening room to "vent" the drivers and you will be cutting holes into stuff that probably shouldn't have holes put in them.

 

[cownd]

Paradigm Seismic-12 is very small and has big-time performance. But it is not cheap!! You pay for the cutting-edge technology in this puppy..

 

[jeffsg4mac]

You could get two of the new SVS PB10-ISD subs. Two of those would move a lot of air and take up very little room.

 

[emason17]

You could get two of the new SVS PB10-ISD subs. Two of those would move a lot of air and take up very little room.

Good point. I do not know that it is worth the effort of moving my 140 lbs. sub in order to buy two smaller subs. In fact, I am quite confused now because I do like the sound quite a bit.

 

[vdefrancjr]

ptalar,

how to you like that SVS sub you got? I am looking at getting that same one. I am working with Erik at SVS and it is between the one you have or the Single Ultra.

 

[ptalar]

Emason,

Has the wife still imposed an ultimatum on you to get rid of the SVS or is she getting used to it. Sometimes you just have to ease it into her life. Just like I did with my wife. No complaints anymore after the initial shock.

Phil

 

[emason17]

Emason,

Has the wife still imposed an ultimatum on you to get rid of the SVS or is she getting used to it. Sometimes you just have to ease it into her life. Just like I did with my wife. No complaints anymore after the initial shock.

Phil

I really like the sound quality. It is everything that I thought it would be- quite impressive actually. She is doing better with it, but the size of it seems even bigger because i bought the Martin Logan frescos. Everything is small and clean in the room expect for my gigantic sub. I do not have to get rid of it, but I would prefer to if I can get near the same sound quality in a smaller box.

So far I am sticking it out.

 

[mfabien]

I really like the sound quality. It is everything that I thought it would be- quite impressive actually. She is doing better with it, but the size of it seems even bigger because i bought the Martin Logan frescos. Everything is small and clean in the room expect for my gigantic sub. I do not have to get rid of it, but I would prefer to if I can get near the same sound quality in a smaller box.

So far I am sticking it out.

Emason,

My room is 35' wide for the first 11' in length
15' wide, and
35' in length.
(I sit at 15' from the HDTV/speakers)

Before purchasing the SVS, I corresponded with SVS and Erik recommended the PB-12 ISD (single driver, 320 watts amp)

With the receiver's subwoofer level at -5dB (range is -20dB to 0dB), the gain is set at less than half (more towards half than towards 1/3). At exactly one half gain, the side windows rattle. Is your room bigger?

Size/weight:

.............................PB-12 Plus/2....................PB-12 ISD

Wide..........................19".................................18"
Tall...........................26.5"...............................21"
Deep..........................28"................................20"
................................140 lbs............................78 lbs.
Price..........................$1,199...........................$599

Return policy at SVS is 45 days, no questions asked.

 

[ptalar]

All subs will look big compared to the Fresco. If you want a smaller sub I would look to a single 12 inch SVS or a single 12 inch HSU. But you should decide on your room dimensions and requirements before you get rid of the sub.

 

[emason17]

Emason,

My room is 35' wide for the first 11' in length
15' wide, and
35' in length.
(I sit at 15' from the HDTV/speakers)

Before purchasing the SVS, I corresponded with SVS and Erik recommended the PB-12 ISD (single driver, 320 watts amp)

With the receiver's subwoofer level at -5dB (range is -20dB to 0dB), the gain is set at less than half (more towards half than towards 1/3). At exactly one half gain, the side windows rattle. Is your room bigger?

Size/weight:

.............................PB-12 Plus/2....................PB-12 ISD

Wide..........................19".................................18"
Tall...........................26.5"...............................21"
Deep..........................28"................................20"
................................140 lbs............................78 lbs.
Price..........................$1,199...........................$599

Return policy at SVS is 45 days, no questions asked.

My room is slightly larger (50' x 12) and they recommended the one I bought- the PB-12 Plus/2. Unfortunately I am past my return date. I am pretty sure that I will keep it and get used to the size in the room. I will add a pic when possible. It does sound great.

 

[mulester7]

.....let's take a look at this elusive sub-creature we all possess and love....and the other speakers also....from a frequency standpoint strictly....

.....under 35 cycles, hz, or whatever you want to assign, you can't hear "pitch" from your sub or ANY speaker....another description would be, "the note"....

.....let's look at 34 down....sound pressure concussion felt....now, if your 34 down has clean definition and you honestly "feel" osciallations, you're home....we're going to dial in a little pitch now....

.....we're going to "raise" the "ceiling-cut" of the signal for the subs presently at 34 hz where I can't hear, "pitch", to at least about 42 hz....my subs NOW, give me "pitch" when I go to 42....and Folks, there's where mine stays 90% of the time, at 42....when I put on a CD or DVD, and the bass just seems too soft on that particular source, I go to maybe 50....now, I can say this with confidence....I will not go over 50 from this day on....the higher you raise the "ceiling" of the signal to the subwoofer, frequence-wise, you take it toward a frequency for which a subwoofer was not built, and tuned, to produce....let your subwoofers remain subwoofers....mine start to confusion-heard-boom actually at 50....I want to give the subs some pitch at 42 and stay there if that works out ok....and I might want to roll it up to 45-46 for "pop" of the subs....another word would be "accented attack"....

.....concerning the other speakers....I turn the subs off and try to make the full-range speakers sound as good as possible to these ears....one click right on the bass tone control for sure, with mine now, maybe yours don't need that....I set my regiment of main and surroung speakers like subs don't exist....then I bring the subs into the act of "complimenting the surround effort without boom confusion from being too loud"....the one click on the bass tone control affects the sub also, so I stand to have some pop at 42....if I want pop that's not there at 42, hello 46-47....

.....you guys' small-to-large adjustment would serve me little....i want my mains to eat all the way to the floor....I have my rears doing the same....at one time when I powered the rears with a Crown, the bass seemed unresolved and I "heard" some confusion at the very lowest low....with the Mac on them now, with not as much being produced at either end, I let them do as the mains and eat to the bottom, also, uncut....

.....I would NEVER want, to NOT, have complete control of the sub's ceiling-cut, in relation to the other speakers....period.......

.....sometimes a gap of the frequency response of only a few hz's between handing off to the subs, can accentuate the sub also and promote cleanness....guys, we're doing research together, or at least, I hope it's two-sided.....this is what I do, and what works for me....you may do something I need to try.....

 

[forumtroll]

I’ve come to enjoy Definitive Technology’s SuperCube line of subwoofers. In particular the SuperCube I. I also own a SuperCube II; however, that is doing duty in an environment with difficult acoustic properties. I choose to pair the SuperCube I with the M&K 750 system, and the SuperCube II with M&K B-1600’s. I’ve gotten many complements on both systems, especially the B-1600 system as it does duty on a near (I have to okay the music selection) communal environment.
Here’s a link to a review on a SuperCube I review http://www.audiorevolution.com/equip/deftechcube/index.html , and the manufactorur’s website with MSRP and specs http://www.definitivetech.com/loudspeakers/subwoofers/subwoofers.html .

 

[mulester7]

.....ok, are there a few systems now grounded to the back side of China out the window to American soil?....great, but you're not finished....anyone notice you have a ground post on your receiver and a ground wire from your turntable and that's really about it?....now, take it further....on the back of your sources, dvd player, cd player, tuner, and even slave amps for me, back a metal screw on the back of the metal cabinet of them out a little....attach a coated wire stripped on the very end around the screw you've backed out a little bit and take the screw back tight....work the other end as part of the rat's nest on the receiver's ground post now....every piece of your system is now grounded the best way.....I have two wires going out two windows to Earth....one grounds my pre-amp, tuner, two cassette decks, and the four amps I am using presently....the other wire out a different window grounds a stack of four components in a different location of the room....two dvd players, a vcr, and a piece of equipment related to cable the name of which eludes me at the moment, haha.....

 

[mulester7]

.....Gentlemen, I am almost hesitant to post this because I'm sure everyone has a favorite DVD that makes their sub shine....I am proposing this only as a very good test tone in the really low sub range for hearing individual oscillations.....My Big Fat Greek Wedding-scene 8-minute count 38:11....this lick by the bass guitar is soothingly and pleasantly LOW, and has individual oscillations to burn.....Amazon has this dvd used for about six bucks to your mailbox....this makes me sick considering I paid 20 bucks at Wally-World and had to go get it and burn gas....the movie was very low-budget and really dominoed with the public....not promoting anything here except a test tone for individual oscillation.....

 

[mulester7]

.....and I'm going to step out on a limb, and say if you are torn between a sub update and any other update you might be considering, go with the sub update....to have two in the corners of my front is paramount to me....for a year before the TL's showed up, I was WELL content with two full-range speakers that are considered bookshelf even though they weigh 50 apiece....I hear some thinking look at the two subs you have....ok, I'm so fortunate I can't stand it in the sub dept, but I would have still loved the arrangement with lesser subs....as long as there were two....and the point I'm trying to make is I was content with just two speakers full-range....get your foundation right is maybe a better go at it.....

 

[mazersteven]

Subwoofer

Emason17,

I'm posting here late, but have you ever listened to the Definitive Technology Supercube 1. It's about the same price as your SVS sub. It's smaller, and puts out awesome sound. It's gotten great reviews. It performs like a much bigger sub. Good Luck

www.definitivetech.com

http://www.definitivetech.com/reviews/SCubeIAR4c.pdf