mulester7

mulester7

Audioholic Samurai
Sheep said:
In the subwoofer placement article on this site, it showed opposing corners, and mid wall on the side walls to be the flatest spots.

SheepStar
.....Sheep, I was thinking the PB 12-plus/2 in the opposite rear corner exploding sub content against the front PB 12-plus in it's present location.....were they front-firing, I would try the mid-wall front and rear thing, with the more powerful one on the back mid-wall, but they're down-firing, so I say front and rear opposite corners, with King Kong exploding from the rear opposite corner.....
 
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AdrianMills

Full Audioholic
mulester7 said:
.....Sheep, I was thinking the PB 12-plus/2 in the opposite rear corner exploding sub content against the front PB 12-plus in it's present location.....were they front-firing, I would try the mid-wall front and rear thing, with the more powerful one on the back mid-wall, but they're down-firing, so I say front and rear opposite corners, with King Kong exploding from the rear opposite corner.....
The shape of my living room is peculiar and as a result I think it has pretty good acoustics for an untreated room... Unfortunately because of this peculiar shape I am limited to 2 corners that I can use for sub placement - that's to the left of the sofa on the back wall (where my plus is) and on the same wall but to the left of the main speakers in the front of the room (where I plan on putting big brother plus/2 when it arrives).

modyda said:
I went with my gut and I just purchased the PB12-Plus/2. Now the wait
Good choice... just be prepared to be overawed by the size of it when it arrives - I was standing there for five minutes with my mouth open when I first saw my plus. :D
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
The shape of my living room is peculiar and as a result I think it has pretty good acoustics for an untreated room... Unfortunately because of this peculiar shape I am limited to 2 corners that I can use for sub placement - that's to the left of the sofa on the back wall (where my plus is) and on the same wall but to the left of the main speakers in the front of the room (where I plan on putting big brother plus/2 when it arrives).
Both on the left wall? I fear localization may become apparent.

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moodyda

Audioholic Intern
Good choice... just be prepared to be overawed by the size of it when it arrives - I was standing there for five minutes with my mouth open when I first saw my plus. :D[/QUOTE]

Thanks. I already forewarned the wife that we were getting a "large table".:D
 
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bandit

Audioholic
I can only say this. Moodyda - I am jealous. Somewhat green with envy. I think you bought a great product- and I've never heard one. Just sure seems well built and designed listening to everyone's comments on SVS. Enjoy !!!! Bandit :D
 
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AdrianMills

Full Audioholic
Sheep said:
Both on the left wall? I fear localization may become apparent.

SheepStar
Well it certainly is now when I get high pressurizations during action movies - but that's from the sub that's less than 3 feet from my left elbow. The new one will be about 10 feet away along the same wall and in a corner with a sofa between it and the main listening sofa so I'm hoping that localization will be less of a problem.
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
AdrianMills said:
Well it certainly is now when I get high pressurizations during action movies - but that's from the sub that's less than 3 feet from my left elbow. The new one will be about 10 feet away along the same wall and in a corner with a sofa between it and the main listening sofa so I'm hoping that localization will be less of a problem.
Have you tried putting your current subwoofer in the new subwoofers spot?

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AdrianMills

Full Audioholic
Sheep said:
Have you tried putting your current subwoofer in the new subwoofers spot?

SheepStar
Hey, now if I did that and it worked fine I'd have absolutely no way to justify buying a plus/2! Please, leave me with my little self delusion here.

:D

And I'm still waiting - it was sent Monday and it should have been here by now!
 
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mike.hopkins

Banned
Hello all,
I work for Aperion Audio, and I think that is partially my quote the moodyda refers to. Out of contex I can understand where some confusion may lay. It is not that our s12 sub is not "musical" but adding a second may give better performance than one for both movies and music. I believe that SVS makes a great sub and you will probably be happy with the performance, but then the question is, would having two SVS subs be better than one?
I'm just trying to learn more..
Thanks,
Mike
 

matcat

Audiophyte
mike.hopkins said:
Hello all,
I work for Aperion Audio, and I think that is partially my quote the moodyda refers to. Out of contex I can understand where some confusion may lay. It is not that our s12 sub is not "musical" but adding a second may give better performance than one for both movies and music. I believe that SVS makes a great sub and you will probably be happy with the performance, but then the question is, would having two SVS subs be better than one?
I'm just trying to learn more..
Thanks,
Mike

So are you saying that if you by an Aperion sub you would need to buy 2 different types of subs to get good results???
 
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AdrianMills

Full Audioholic
moodyda said:
Thanks. I already forewarned the wife that we were getting a "large table".:D
Uh. I received my plus/2 today.

This plus/2 is enormous and makes my plus look petite. :eek: I now know what he was talking about in Jaws when he said, "we need a bigger boat".

Make sure your wife is not there when it’s delivered or she’ll have a fit.
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
mike.hopkins said:
Hello all,
I work for Aperion Audio, and I think that is partially my quote the moodyda refers to. Out of contex I can understand where some confusion may lay. It is not that our s12 sub is not "musical" but adding a second may give better performance than one for both movies and music. I believe that SVS makes a great sub and you will probably be happy with the performance, but then the question is, would having two SVS subs be better than one?
I'm just trying to learn more..
Thanks,
Mike
Other Companies make signle subs that excel in music and movies. The only reasoning behind buying 2 subs (IE: both the same) is to help flatten the room response.

SheepStar
 
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mike.hopkins

Banned
Hey guys,
At the time when I was responding to Moodyda, he asked me if two subs were better than one...(you saw my response) However, our single s12 is a great sub that works wonderfully for both music and movies and the vast majority of our customers use just a single sub. Two subs however can help even out any bass holes you may have in your room, as well as adding a bit of punch to the front speakers ( especailly if you are using smaller bookshelf speakers) There are always exceptions...(I have one sub...no bass holes..and so on..) but from my personal preference, I prefer to use dual subs. I hear of different room situations for every customer I talk with. Some have rooms that are 10*10' and other 40'*30'. It can be difficult to have that one sub that works for every location. I suppose it really comes down mainly to your personal preference, but I try and give the best recommendations to help out, but you never know until you listen.

Thanks,
Mike
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
mike.hopkins said:
Hey guys,
At the time when I was responding to Moodyda, he asked me if two subs were better than one...(you saw my response) However, our single s12 is a great sub that works wonderfully for both music and movies and the vast majority of our customers use just a single sub. Two subs however can help even out any bass holes you may have in your room, as well as adding a bit of punch to the front speakers ( especailly if you are using smaller bookshelf speakers) There are always exceptions...(I have one sub...no bass holes..and so on..) but from my personal preference, I prefer to use dual subs. I hear of different room situations for every customer I talk with. Some have rooms that are 10*10' and other 40'*30'. It can be difficult to have that one sub that works for every location. I suppose it really comes down mainly to your personal preference, but I try and give the best recommendations to help out, but you never know until you listen.

Thanks,
Mike
Yeah, I agreed with that part. What I didn't agree with is mixing 2 different subs, one being the more musical, and one being the movie sub. The only way this would make sense, is if one of the subs has design compromise. You do not need 2 totally different subs for accurate music and movie reproduction.

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drgroovee

Enthusiast
Wow. I don't know what I find more frustrating here: the totally off-base implications or the blatant baiting of an Aperion employee over what appears was well dealt information with honest intentions.

Based on the photos provided by applicable forum participants, I'm left to gather that few of you build your own subs. Maybe you do, I don't know, but you can't tell from your comments.

A concession: The use of the terms "slow" or "fast" are horribly inaccurate and, indeed, misleading. To continue using them perpetuates the publics misunderstanding of popular "audio adjectives" that attempt ( albeit poorly) to explain in words the things that we hear since we rarely share a frame of reference. Also, it is a myth that an 8" driver is more capable of producing a 200hz wave than is a 12" driver. The size of the cone isn't really a part of this equation whereas the motor structure and moving mass ARE.

That said, those in the know know that building a speaker or a subwoofer is a calculated set of trade-offs. If you want to build a sub for the common man, you build it such that you maximize the inherrant values of a given driver, amp and enclosure size. Those who want a 12" sub tend to want a big bass sound with substantial SPLs in the lower frequency range. With a popular ported design, you can naturally achieve these results with a solid amp, well spec'd driver, highly rigid enclosure and properly tuned port. For use below 70 or 80 hz, this is great. However, you're going to find that this design doesn't lend itself to production of a 100 or 150hz wave nearly as efficiently and, if combined with bookshelf or satellite speakers, may leave you feeling your mid-bass region is a little anemic.

If you have just such an arrangement AND you're sensitive enough to this that you just can't live with that little hole (and let's face it... these people usually know who they are and what they need already) , then you're the sort of person that is going to spend the money necessary to get a 12" sealed, sub with exceptionally high powered amp. Maybe even a "servo-controller chip" Ooooooh. And good on ya.

None of this has anything to do with using multiple subs. Two 8"s, two 12"s an 8" and a 12"... no matter the combination, you will be generating extremely long wavelenghths from two different areas in the room which WILL give you a more even response throughout the room (note: it won't help with standing waves- you're stuck with those unless you are ready for some room treatments) What you will accomplish is a more complex wave pattern and a better overall dispersion of wavelenghts longer than 12 feet.

Word up.
 
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drgroovee

Enthusiast
Oops! Forgot to sign my last post:

Caleb Denison
Aperionaudio.com
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
drgroovee said:
Oops! Forgot to sign my last post:

Caleb Denison
Aperionaudio.com
Ah, now it makes sense :)

You know theres an Edit right? ;)

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JKnPA

JKnPA

Junior Audioholic
Interesting.................

DrGroove.......... Wow! That was an interesting post. It's nice to see
a post with plenty of 'substance. I followed most of it
until the last paragraph.
Sheep.......... After 30minutes, the 'Edit' feature is lost!.......:rolleyes:
 
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drgroovee

Enthusiast
Sheep said:
Ah, now it makes sense :)

You know theres an Edit right? ;)

SheepStar
Uhhhhh.... right! Edit feature.... sure. I knew that was there ;)
I think it was past 30 anyway, though..
oops.
 

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