Surge protection power conditioner what do i need for new system ?

[Steve M]

Getting closer to pluging in the goods (-:
Marantz 8802a pre amp
Samsung curved 65 inch smart tv
Emotiva Xpa 5 3r gen amp
Emotiva A700 amp
cable box
new oppo blue ray
Turn table in future
mabey a game console some day, but doubt it unless i break myself outside

And do i need in wall surge proection for powered subs ?
i did run dedacated circuts for them
paramax mr 4300 good enough or do i need mr5100 m5400 ?
Thanks

 

[lovinthehd]

I've never bothered with such a fancy unit, just use surge protector power strips, as effective for my purposes. If surges are huge issue with your service maybe a whole house surge protector would be more effective....

 

[TLS Guy]

Getting closer to pluging in the goods (-:
Marantz 8802a pre amp
Samsung curved 65 inch smart tv
Emotiva Xpa 5 3r gen amp
Emotiva A700 amp
cable box
new oppo blue ray
Turn table in future
mabey a game console some day, but doubt it unless i break myself outside

And do i need in wall surge proection for powered subs ?
i did run dedacated circuts for them
paramax mr 4300 good enough or do i need mr5100 m5400 ?
Thanks

I always advise whole house surge protection. After that additional protection is dependent on your location and electric supply. Power conditioners are a waste of time. If you are in a high problem area by virtue of climate and location, then the fragile gear should be protected with fast acting smart UPS systems.

 

[Steve M]

we loose power about 6 times a year , some times it goes out for a few secondes or hours and once every 3 years in winter we loose it for a few weeks , and run generator , but i would be watching my other Hone theator in a box for those mutiple day power ouatages ,

 

[TLS Guy]

we loose power about 6 times a year , some times it goes out for a few secondes or hours and once every 3 years in winter we loose it for a few weeks , and run generator , but i would be watching my other Hone theator in a box for those mutiple day power ouatages ,

That is just the situation that will blow your equipment up.

You need whole house surge protection and fast acting UPS devices powering your Pre/pro, BD, TV cable box and game console from the UPS.

I have exactly the same situation here, if anything your sounds worse then mine, but pretty comparable.

What is your generator? Generators usually provide pretty distorted power, so I do not let it run long on the generator.

We live in a forest on a Minnesota lake and summer storms and winter ice storms mean maximum protection is required.

I have a UPS at the bottom of each rack.

 

[Speedskater]

Definitely a whole house surge protector at the AC power service entrance /main breaker panel.

Maybe a fast acting UPS if you have components that need to re-boot after a brief power interruption.

 

[TLS Guy]

Definitely a whole house surge protector at the AC power service entrance /main breaker panel.

Maybe a fast acting UPS if you have components that need to re-boot after a brief power interruption.

He needs a UPS. Originally I did not put in a UPS in the smaller fairly simple system downstairs. However the type os problems the OP described took out the DVR twice in the first year, and I had to add a UPS down there also. That stopped the problems.

It is not so much the power interruptions but the huge and fast swings of voltage. You need a UPS that will react in 1 to 5 msec and go to battery whenever the AC line voltage is out of very narrow spec, with modern gear.

 

[Steve M]

what is a ups ? is that what the paramax 4300 i was under the impression the paramax will do all that . if not any recomendatios on brands of wole house surge p and ups ?

 

[TLS Guy]

what is a ups ?

A UPS (Uninteruptable Power Supply) is a device that monitors and can shave and boost the AC line voltage as required. However the big thing is that they contain batteries. You will need to change these every four years. In the event of big dips and surges and also power outages, they go to battery and supply your gear though an inverter. They will keep the equipment running or do a soft shut down in the event of a power outage more than 10 to 20 minutes.

This outfit makes very good UPS units.

As far as specs, you need one that is fast and big enough to power the equipment you want and need to protect. They are rated in KVA. If you don't know the KVA rating of your equipment then add up the watt power draw and add 25% to it and that will get you in the ball park of the KVA rating of the UPS you need. Then add at least another 25% for margin.

 

[Steve M]

I get the the soft shut down ,as i have many ups for my servers and many computers in my business . but the computer is set up buy design for that situation and the computer does its thing before power hits total loss from batery

How does a pre amp or a ups give a soft shut down once the power is gone as it will soon get low or be gone from a ups
I can see the difference from plugging into the wall vs soemthing like a mr 4300 but the battery back up thing on a pree amp , im at a loss
I also called marantz and they recomended a ups but could not tell me why, deer in head lights !, and emotiva said to plug the amps into wall as it can cause power loss and ups and surge proctors are the majority of troubble shotting calls .
Is it a spike issue , a time thing or memory issue as its programed ?
my garage operner would not close the last 1/2 inch last week due to lost memory after power outage had to reprogram it
Does the ups have control to turn things off before battery is out ?

 

[TLS Guy]

I get the the soft shut down ,as i have many ups for my servers and many computers in my business . but the computer is set up buy design for that situation and the computer does its thing before power hits total loss from batery

How does a pre amp or a ups give a soft shut down once the power is gone as it will soon get low or be gone from a ups
I can see the difference from plugging into the wall vs soemthing like a mr 4300 but the battery back up thing on a pree amp , im at a loss
I also called marantz and they recomended a ups but could not tell me why, deer in head lights !, and emotiva said to plug the amps into wall as it can cause power loss and ups and surge proctors are the majority of troubble shotting calls .
Is it a spike issue , a time thing or memory issue as its programed ?
my garage operner would not close the last 1/2 inch last week due to lost memory after power outage had to reprogram it

You do not need to run your power amps from the UPS. Power amps are generally tough enough to withstand surges. If not they are usually repairable. They other gear generally needs a one way trip to the recycling center after these events.

Equipment with microprocessors, and these days, that is most of your front end devices, receivers or pre pro, and your TV need vigorous protection from the power disturbances you describe, both over and under voltage.

The UPS will protect from over and under voltage, and shut your equipment down safely before the battery runs out.

If you use a pre/pro then the current draw of everything other than the power amps connected does not take a huge power draw and the batteries will likely last at least 20 min if your UPS is properly sized.

All I can tell you that what I have done here has been an outstanding success for 11 years. Is it bullet proof no. But without engineering this properly and robustly, I'm sure I would have lost a lot of valuable equipment on multiple occasions at this location. Everything except my power amps are powered from three UPS units. Downstairs there is one small UPS to power everything except the two power amps.

 

[Steve M]

So MR 5100 panamax or APC j25b j35 b be the best pic ?,
The APC models handle 865 watts
tv says normal 75 watts up to 225 watts , pre amp is 90 watts , oppo is 40 w and cable box i have to guess is 50 watts , and might and hard drive or computer lator ,possible turn table later on so i think that shoud cover it and run amps into wall , APC is better price ,

 

[TLS Guy]

So MR 5100 panamax or APC j25b j35 b be the best pic ?,
The APC models handle 865 watts
tv says normal 75 watts up to 225 watts , pre amp is 90 watts , oppo is 40 w and cable box i have to guess is 50 watts , and might and hard drive or computer lator ,possible turn table later on so i think that shoud cover it and run amps into wall , APC is better price ,

Definitely APC. In my experience Panamax units are unreliable.

 

[Steve M]

Thanks a bunch for all your Help ! will order APC now

 

[Bucknekked]

Thanks a bunch for all your Help ! will order APC now

APC x 2 for recommendation. I have them installed and have had them save my bacon on more than one occasion. As TLS Guy said, I did have to change the batteries after a couple of years. The unit started beeping and told me when it was time. Very convenient. Also, Batteries R Us and stores like that have the batteries in stock and they will change them out. Ez Pz

 

[Steve M]

Bucknekked witch model is your apc ?

 

[Bucknekked]

Bucknekked witch model is your apc ?

The one that I use is no longer in current production, but here is one that is functionally equivalent.
You just need to take a look at the total wattage needs of the devices you will plug in to it and make sure you have enough. No sense buying too big, but going on the cheap doesn't help either. I have an iMac, all the internet gear (routers, switches, cable modem), computer peripherals etc plugged in to it. I have had several power outages, and never taken a hit to my computers. they've stayed up and survived.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/737175-REG/APC_BR1300G_Power_Saving_Back_UPS_Pro_1300.html

 

[Verdinut]

I've never bothered with such a fancy unit, just use surge protector power strips, as effective for my purposes. If surges are huge issue with your service maybe a whole house surge protector would be more effective....

In some areas like in greater Montreal, voltage can vary between 114 and 138 volts. In that kind of situation, we have no choice but to use some sort of power conditioner or voltage regulator to protect fragile digital circuits and computing equipment.
I use an APC H15 Power Conditioner which trims or boosts the voltage as required. Unfortunately, APC no longer manufactures such product, but occasionally there are some for sale on eBay.

 

[TLS Guy]

In some areas like in greater Montreal, voltage can vary between 114 and 138 volts. In that kind of situation, we have no choice but to use some sort of power conditioner or voltage regulator to protect fragile digital circuits and computing equipment.
I use an APC H15 Power Conditioner which trims or boosts the voltage as required. Unfortunately, APC no longer manufactures such product, but occasionally there are some for sale on eBay.

A power conditioner without a battery is of very limited use. If you do need protection, and this OP does, then it needs be a fast acting battery UPS.

He should avoid units like you mention and from what you say you are due for an upgrade.

 

[Verdinut]

I have an APC RS1300 battery UPS on my main computer but the APC H15 is amply sufficient for my sound system. Even if in some areas of the Montreal island, there are some serious voltage fluctuations, power failures are exceptional.
I noticed that the H15 controls voltage better than the UPS. For instance, when the voltage goes up to 125V, it trims it to 117V. The UPS won't do anything at that high voltage. Would it be defective?