Suggestions for a start-up system - $1,200 budget

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Lylelem

Audiophyte
I'd like to get into the audio game on a modest budget ($1,000-$1,200).

Probably be used 50% for music (including a phonograph) and 50% for movies.

The room size is about 14 ft by 20 ft with two open entrances.

As of now I'm thinking a mid-grade receiver, two tower speakers and a sub.

Any suggestions on various components would be appreciated!
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
Welcome to the forum!

Do you already have the other components to play music and movies (phonograph, disc player)? I'm just wondering if any of those need to be included in the total cost.

There are a lot of threads on this forum (including a number of recent ones) that would give you some good reading. A lot of people ask about the best mid-range receiver, the best sub under $X (often between $200-$500), and the best speakers under $Y. So, I encourage you to peruse the site as you wait for answers.

Speakers
The first speakers that popped into my mind were the Infinity Primus line because (a) some folks here think that they are a great value and (b) there have been some good deals on them lately. I've never heard them, which leads me into this - you really should go out and listen to speakers if you can. Ideally, you'd listen to them in your home. That said, I think that you can get some good ideas here. I'd suggest also looking at Aperion Audio's website. I believe that they still have free shipping, including for returns if you don't like them (and no restocking fee).

Receivers
For mid-range receivers, here's what I look for: features, connections, and power. I'm partial to Pioneer, others to Denon, others to Onkyo, and so on. :)

Features: One of the features that is pretty common these days and that I think is outstanding is auto calibration. Some receivers use Audyssey, Pioneer receivers use their own system called MCACC, and Yamaha receivers use their own system called YPAO. All do the same thing in slightly different ways - that is, they try to adjust the signal going to your speakers to account for the acoustics of your room and where you sit in it. MCACC made a world of difference in how much I enjoy my speakers, and I highly recommend getting a receiver with some sort of auto calibration. You can get them for under $300.

Connections: Make sure that you can connect all your gear to it. A phono connection isn't very common these days, and you might be better off buying a phono pre-amp (if your phonograph doesn't have one built-in) then limiting yourself to receivers that have a phono input.

Power: More is better, sure, but you need about ten times the power to make your system twice as loud. I think that most receivers in the same price class are similar to each other.

Subs
You don't want to cheat yourself here, as a good sub can go a long way. How tall are your ceilings? For a sub, it's room volume that's the player. Unless they are really tall, I think that you can do well with something in the $500 range. However, there are a number of folks here much more experienced with subs than myself, so hopefully they'll chip in. If not, you can read some great posts in other threads.

There, that's just to get that ball rolling. :)
 
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Lylelem

Audiophyte
Thanks for the replies!

I've seen a lot of posts recommending the Infinity towers...I'll probably grab me a pair of those.

I own a phonograph, so that won't be an additional cost.

The room I plan to install the system in does not have high ceilings. From what I've gathered from other threads, I should still invest a decent portion of my budget in a solid sub.

Once again, thanks for the suggestions and happy holidays!
 
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FirstReflection

AV Rant Co-Host
Some very good info and recommendations for you here. I wouldn't change a whole lot. Only thing I could do is offer a few other options.

I happen to like Onkyo in the lower price range for receivers. I just happen to like Audyssey the best out of the auto-setup options and Onkyo delivers a ton of features and solid power output with their lower cost receivers. The TX-NR609 would be the most likely candidate for your price range.

One thing I'll mention on the receiver front though - if you've some way to afford the Onkyo TX-NR709 at about $550, that's a really nice upgrade. The reason is two-fold:

1) It's about the least expensive receiver that offers pre-outs. The reason pre-outs are important is because it allows you to add a separate amplifier in the future if you want to. Without pre-outs, you're stuck with the internal amps of the receiver no matter what. You might never use an external amp, so this is purely optional. But I personally think it's nice to be able to use external amps if you want to, and the TX-NR709 is a very affordable way to get yourself this option :)

2) It's the least expensive receiver that offers the higher level Audyssey MultEQ XT. There are a few "levels" of Audyssey, with each higher level offering finer adjustment of the EQ. The biggest difference though is in the control over the bass from the subwoofer, which is where EQ has the most benefit and makes the biggest difference. MultEQ XT has considerably more control over the bass, so to me, that's a worthwhile upgrade.

For the subwoofer, I have to reinforce that it makes total sense to spend proportionally more on the subwoofer than other components in your system. Reproducing deep, accurate, tight, clean bass is not easy! And when 50% of your listening is music and 50% is movies, you really do need a sub that can "do it all" and play both deep AND clean.

For that, I'm in full agreement that you basically have to get up to at least about $500. You have a medium sized room with openings though, so getting loud output is going to be a challenge for any sub at that price. It's just a matter of having your expectations in the right place. Most people don't listen at anything close to reference volume. Reference volume is 85dB average with 105 dB peaks in the speakers and 115dB peaks in the subwoofer! This is tremendously loud, so most people aren't anywhere close to that in their normal listening at home. So long as you're not expecting reference level output, a $500 sub should do just fine for you.

I personally think the Rythmik FV12 is the best $500 sub at the moment. It plays deep, hitting just below 25Hz and just above 20Hz. Best of all, it's very clean, accurate and "tight" compared to the competition at this sort of price level. What I perhaps like best about it is that it is extremely well engineered so that you cannot damage it or cause it to produce tons of distortion. It will simply play as loud as it is safely able. You can keep turning up the volume, but the FV12 simply won't play any louder than is safe. So you might run out of volume and headroom, but at least you won't damage the sub or get some really nasty distortion out of it :)

Given the openings to your medium sized room though, you might want to go for as much output as your budget will allow. Keeping the nice accuracy and articulation intact, I would recommend the Outlaw Audio LFM-1 Plus at $549. The LFM-1 Plus is basically a clone of the old HSU VTF-3 MK2 (it just has a different port location, everything else is the same). The LFM-1 Plus can generate some very healthy output and still retain good extension down to 25Hz and nice, accurate sound with good transient response. It's a very nice sub and capable of a bit more output than the FV12, so it's a very good option for a situation like yours.

For the speakers, I tend to favor "large bookshelf" speakers. Towers are often about getting deeper bass extension. Having more drivers and a larger cabinet allows towers to play louder than small bookshelf speakers. But often, towers are designed to simply try and play as low as possible, which isn't something that you need when you have a subwoofer!

I personally prefer to use a speaker that is tuned and designed to only play flat down to 80Hz where the subwoofer will take over, but still uses more than a single woofer in order to increase output and efficiency. So that leads to my fondness of "large bookshelf" speakers that often cost less than towers, can play just as loud, but just can't play as low, which you don't need anyway when you've got a sub!

Personally, I'm a pretty big fan of Ascend Acoustics' CMT-340 SE speakers for a setup and budget like this. The SEAS tweeter in the Ascend speakers is really something special - a WAY better tweeter than you'd normally find in this price range. The CMT-340 SE also have stands that basically make the speakers look like towers.

So, like I'm so often prone to do, I've just increased your total price tag :p But it's all about nice, worthwhile upgrades that I think are completely worth paying just a little bit extra for. Many people say that they want to know about the products that might cost just a little bit more, but are really worth the extra few dollars. I don't think anybody likes it when they spend less, but discover later that something significantly better was available if they'd only known about it :)

Anywho, like I said, all I've got are some more options for you. To be clear, I can TOTALLY get behind the recommendations that you've already received! To me, the subwoofer is the key here. If you spend a little extra anywhere, spend it on the sub. It really is the thing that takes you from "sound" to "theater sound", and it's what really adds the excitement and gets the "wow" reaction that most of us are looking for ;)

Merry Christmas! :D
 
sholling

sholling

Audioholic Ninja
I agree with the suggestion of the Infinity P362 and the Rythmik but if you're in the US I'd go with a re-certified Onkyo TX-NR708 because it has a dedicated phono input and because it has Audyssey MultiEQ room correction. I've bought two re-certified receivers from them and both have been great.
 
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Lylelem

Audiophyte
Once again, thanks for the detailed replies.

The refurbished Onkyo seems like a hell of a deal.

I definitely need to put some more thought into possibly going with two solid bookshelf speakers if I'm going to dedicate a large portion of my budget to a sub.

Hopefully I'll have some extra money to take advantage of after the holidays.
 
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thaisbeats

Enthusiast
if you were only wanting 2.1 and happen to be somewhere in brisbane i would offer you my JAMO E8 series i've recently put up for sale for 1600 2.1 i've got a 9.2 system 4000 all matching speaker actually, selling as full set or split to 2.1 ( a pair of E875 tower speakers http://www.qualifi.com.au/index.jsp;jsessionid=A79BA90A37C400D03733981491599350?referrer=72331&section=brands&page=product_detail&product=1545
and a E8SUB http://www.qualifi.com.au/index.jsp;jsessionid=9271602636AFFBFA3EAC7DDE63EAED32?referrer=72331&section=brands&page=product_detail&product=1357 )
5.1 are all wall mountable bookshelf sized units with dipole surrounds
just been collecting and collecting hardly ever used :)
if you looking at new dali will give you a run for your money comes with big drivers
 
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abjonesiii

Audioholic
I'm sure someone will disagree with me but personally I hate buying something twice. Meaning trying to buy everything right now and hit a budget.

I recommend only buying what you absolutely can't live without and stretch the budget to buy the best you can so in a year or so you won't need or want something better.

That being said I would split the the whole $1200 on just the receiver and two nice towers and forget the sub for a while. Sure you will miss the lows from having a sub right now but start saving money again and when you have another $800 buy a nice sub.

Doesn't matter if you stretch the purchases over a year or so. But at the end you will have three nicer pieces of equipment that will keep you satisfied longer than just buying what you can afford now and outgrowing it.

JMOP
 
Haoleb

Haoleb

Audioholic Field Marshall
Just my opinion and I have said it before to people who have x amount of dollars to spend for a simple setup. Look on craigslist... Yes it is more helpful to browse through when you know what stuff is a good deal and what is just junk but there are great deals all day long on there. Especially in this economy and this time of year. In just half an hour radius around me right now i could put together a system that will kick the *** of anything you can buy new for the same money or even less and I dont even live in a very "audio rich" area.

Just sayin, before you let everyone steer you towards what they happen to like.. check it out. Lots of good quality stuff on there for cheap. Even cheaper if you like to haggle.
 
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Lylelem

Audiophyte
After doing some more research and really weighing my options, I'm going to devote my budget to two towers and a receiver.

I'd like to spend around $500 on a receiver and $700 on the towers.

Does anyone have any suggestions for some towers in that price range?
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
After doing some more research and really weighing my options, I'm going to devote my budget to two towers and a receiver.

I'd like to spend around $500 on a receiver and $700 on the towers.

Does anyone have any suggestions for some towers in that price range?
No question about it. In this price range, you won't beat the sound quality of the Infinity P362, which you can get for $200 each ($400/pr).

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_108P362BG/Infinity-Primus-P362.html?search=infinity+primus

http://www.stereophile.com/floorloudspeakers/605infinity
 
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FirstReflection

AV Rant Co-Host
Another solid tower speaker option in your price range would be EMP Tek:

EMP Tek Tower Speakers

They're made by parent company, RBH. They've got RBH's signature rock solid performance in the mid-range and fairly nice bass extension. They're also about as good looking as any speaker is going to get in this price range if looks mean anything to you :)

I'd normally suggest Aperion as well, but in this price range, you'd be looking at their Intimus line of towers. Aperion did what I wish more tower manufacturers would do, which is use the tower form factor to allow the speaker to play louder, but not lower. The Intimus towers don't play particularly low and are really more like very large bookshelf speakers in that way - except that they can play louder. Not the best chioce if you're running without a subwoofer though ;)

Despite all the craziness that has followed Axiom on the various forums and message boards lately, I still generally like most of their speakers. The M50 v3 towers would be close to your price range and are very easy to drive with any amplifier, so that's a potential plus.

And none of that is to "knock" the Infinity suggestions at all. Just offering up a few more options is all :) Boston Acoustics should also be considered. Same parent company as Denon and Marantz owns Boston Acoustics. They've got some nice, inexpensive towers available as well.

Plenty of nice choices :) Personally, I'd probably go with the EMP Tek E55Ti towers. I love that neutral and accurate mid-range and they're the best looking of the bunch, easily :)
 
zieglj01

zieglj01

Audioholic Spartan
After doing some more research and really weighing my options, I'm going to devote my budget to two towers and a receiver.
I'd like to spend around $500 on a receiver and $700 on the towers.
Does anyone have any suggestions for some towers in that price range?
I am going to throw a curve - I would really consider the Boston VS 260
bookshelf speakers - they really are a high resolution sounding speaker.
And, they throw a huge soundstage for a bookshelf - the detail, definition
and depth is solid - and the bass is very good for a bookshelf. If you get
the Onkyo 708 that sholling reccomended - then all you need is to save
another $150, to get the Rythmik FV12 sub. The Boston VS 336 is out of
your budget.
Vanns.com Search : boston vs
http://www.bostonacoustics.com/-VS-260-Bookshelf-Loudspeaker-P229.aspx

Another receiver option - Denon
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR891/DENON-AVR-891-7.1-Channel-105W-A/V-1.4-3D-Ready-Receiver/1.html
 
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AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
The only thing you are paying for in this price range beyond the $400 P362 is aesthetic and better speaker posts.

But we talking about almost a 100% price increase with a 00% increase in sound quality.

That other $400 could go towards the $500 budget for the Rythmik FV12 subwoofer.
 

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