stSpringer2003

stSpringer2003

Enthusiast
Hi All,
I am new to this so please be nice.

I purchased a LG Blueray player BD390. It has wireless and hard wire nic, plays divx and mp3's.

I have speakers from my old DVD player 5.1.

I now need a stereo receiver to hook up 5.1 sound from my LG Blueray player.

I don't need a home theater since they come with either dvd or blueray which I already have on my LG.

Please advise on a nice mid range "price wise" receiver. If I am missing something please advise.

PS

What do you think of speaker bars?

TIA
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
contradiction and clarification.

A stereo receiver, by definition, only offers two channels.

You say you want to connect a set of 5.1 speakers.

By definition, a home theatre receiver will provide amplification for your 5 speakers and an output for yur powered subwoofer. A "stereo" receiver will not.

"Home theatres" receivers do not come with a built-in blu-ray or DVD player. That is a separate piece of hardware.

Home theatre receivers can be had from anywhere between about $20 up to over $6,000. Define your price range if you want good answers.

Sound bars are are"ok" if space is limited and you don't care really about the best sound or a good surround effect.
 
stSpringer2003

stSpringer2003

Enthusiast
A stereo receiver, by definition, only offers two channels.

You say you want to connect a set of 5.1 speakers.

By definition, a home theatre receiver will provide amplification for your 5 speakers and an output for yur powered subwoofer. A "stereo" receiver will not.

"Home theatres" receivers do not come with a built-in blu-ray or DVD player. That is a separate piece of hardware.

Home theatre receivers can be had from anywhere between about $20 up to over $6,000. Define your price range if you want good answers.

Sound bars are are"ok" if space is limited and you don't care really about the best sound or a good surround effect.
Thanks for your reply. I guess I need a Home theater receiver then and my price range is no more than $600.00 looking more for the $340.00 range
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
Tell us about your speakers, particularly the subwoofer. How does it connect to the main unit?

Do all the other speakers wire directly to the main unit, or do they have to go through the subwoofer?
 
stSpringer2003

stSpringer2003

Enthusiast
Tell us about your speakers, particularly the subwoofer. How does it connect to the main unit?

Do all the other speakers wire directly to the main unit, or do they have to go through the subwoofer?
My speakers were connected to my old dvd player with just the wire ends no jack plugs.

I don't know what else to tell you about them I don't know watts or whatever. I want to use these speakers with my new LG BD390 and the home theater AV I plan on buying. I will get new speakers later if I think I need an upgrade.

Searching on the web I now know I want a AV with web radio and networked to my computer so I can play my MP3's from my PC and listen to web radio too. Ideally a wireless card rather than hard wire eathernet. Is ther something out there with wireless? My LG Blurray player has it.
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
My speakers were connected to my old dvd player with just the wire ends no jack plugs.

I don't know what else to tell you about them I don't know watts or whatever. I want to use these speakers with my new LG BD390 and the home theater AV I plan on buying. I will get new speakers later if I think I need an upgrade.

Searching on the web I now know I want a AV with web radio and networked to my computer so I can play my MP3's from my PC and listen to web radio too. Ideally a wireless card rather than hard wire eathernet. Is ther something out there with wireless? My LG Blurray player has it.
Your requests are now beyond me. I'm not sure if any will meet your requirements for wireless but I'll bow out and let others with more knowledge to take over here.

But, if your "subwoofer" uses speaker cables to connect to your old DVD player, it won't work with a new receiver.

That's the curse of all-in-one systems. They are made to act as a system, with no possibility for expansion.
 
stSpringer2003

stSpringer2003

Enthusiast
Your requests are now beyond me. I'm not sure if any will meet your requirements for wireless but I'll bow out and let others with more knowledge to take over here.

But, if your "subwoofer" uses speaker cables to connect to your old DVD player, it won't work with a new receiver.

That's the curse of all-in-one systems. They are made to act as a system, with no possibility for expansion.
So you are saying I have to purchase new speakers?
 
JerryLove

JerryLove

Audioholic Ninja
I've avoided posting because I've not been able to figure out how to do so without sounding a little negative... but it seems maybe it's unavoidable.

I purchased a LG Blueray player BD390. It has wireless and hard wire nic, plays divx and mp3's.
Good sentence. Very specific.

I have speakers from my old DVD player 5.1.
DVD players don't connect to speakers typically. This means either we need more information (Perhaps you have 6 self-powered speakers you attached with RCA cables, or perhaps what you had *included* a DVD player but was not one). If the speakers and "DVD player" came as a package, the make and model would be very useful.

It seems likely your basic terminology is wrong here; but it's difficult for us to tell you exactly how with so little information.

I now need a stereo receiver to hook up 5.1 sound from my LG Blueray player.
As pointed out, you need a 5.1 receiver. "stereo" is "two-channel" (2.0).

I don't need a home theater since they come with either dvd or blueray which I already have on my LG.
A "home theater" is, generally speaking, any setup where someone has put a video source and audio source together for playing movies. In the present world, that generally means at least 5-channel surround: but it's not strictly required.

So your sentence here is just nonsensical, a home theater is exactly what you are trying to make.

I believe you are saying that you don't need what is referred to as "Home-Theater in a Box" (HTiB), which is (typically speaking) a single unit which acts as both DVD or blueray player, receiver, and amp comes with an assortment of small speakers.

What's really odd is that it sounds like you had a HTiB before, but you called it a "DVD player", and now are referring to the same thing simply as "home theater".

Please advise on a nice mid range "price wise" receiver. If I am missing something please advise.
Impossible without knowing your needs.

My speakers were connected to my old dvd player with just the wire ends no jack plugs.
This further tells me that your "dvd player" was actually a HTiB. unfortunately, it still gives me no idea what your speakers are, nor am I confident that you are telling me that 6 sets of wires went into your HTiB and straight out to each of the 6 speakers... which is what the previous respondent was trying to find out.

Searching on the web I now know I want a AV with web radio and networked to my computer so I can play my MP3's from my PC and listen to web radio too. Ideally a wireless card rather than hard wire eathernet. Is ther something out there with wireless? My LG Blurray player has it.
Networking Receivers are relatively new and will be a challenge on your budget.

So you are saying I have to purchase new speakers?
I doubt you "have to", but I suspect you should.

Simply put (and there are exceptions) HTiB use low quality, low wattage speakers that will be easily destroyed as you start pumping real power into them. I would need to know the make and model though (there are some mid-end HTiB systems out there).

Here's what you need to do.

1) Find out the wattage of the speakers you have. Best way is to look up the make-model. If it's not written on the back of the speaker, then you likely got them with your old HTiB, and that would let you know.

2) Determine what, if anything, you would be likely to replace these with in the reasonably near future.

3) Take the higher of those two wattages and go look at receivers. Brands you should look at include Denon, Marantz, Onkyo, and Yamaha. Make sure the wattage is "at least enough" and then focus on features. Pay close attention to number of HDMI inputs/outputs and HDMI version (you want 1.3a) (if you are using HDMI interconnects).

You are unlikely to find the networking features you want in a used model, so you are hunting new.

4) You might actually find it cheaper/better to go pick up a $150 used HDMI-switching receiver (I see them at pawn shops and on EBay), and then add a used X-Box 360, or Sony PS3 (not slim); both of which can be used as a media client (most versions of the non-slim PS3 are wireless, check wikipedia for a breakdown). Some good dedicated Network components include the Sonos systems (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonos)
 
stSpringer2003

stSpringer2003

Enthusiast
I've avoided posting because I've not been able to figure out how to do so without sounding a little negative... but it seems maybe it's unavoidable.

Good sentence. Very specific.

DVD players don't connect to speakers typically. This means either we need more information (Perhaps you have 6 self-powered speakers you attached with RCA cables, or perhaps what you had *included* a DVD player but was not one). If the speakers and "DVD player" came as a package, the make and model would be very useful.

It seems likely your basic terminology is wrong here; but it's difficult for us to tell you exactly how with so little information.

As pointed out, you need a 5.1 receiver. "stereo" is "two-channel" (2.0).

A "home theater" is, generally speaking, any setup where someone has put a video source and audio source together for playing movies. In the present world, that generally means at least 5-channel surround: but it's not strictly required.

So your sentence here is just nonsensical, a home theater is exactly what you are trying to make.

I believe you are saying that you don't need what is referred to as "Home-Theater in a Box" (HTiB), which is (typically speaking) a single unit which acts as both DVD or blueray player, receiver, and amp comes with an assortment of small speakers.

What's really odd is that it sounds like you had a HTiB before, but you called it a "DVD player", and now are referring to the same thing simply as "home theater".

Impossible without knowing your needs.

This further tells me that your "dvd player" was actually a HTiB. unfortunately, it still gives me no idea what your speakers are, nor am I confident that you are telling me that 6 sets of wires went into your HTiB and straight out to each of the 6 speakers... which is what the previous respondent was trying to find out.

Networking Receivers are relatively new and will be a challenge on your budget.

I doubt you "have to", but I suspect you should.

Simply put (and there are exceptions) HTiB use low quality, low wattage speakers that will be easily destroyed as you start pumping real power into them. I would need to know the make and model though (there are some mid-end HTiB systems out there).

Here's what you need to do.

1) Find out the wattage of the speakers you have. Best way is to look up the make-model. If it's not written on the back of the speaker, then you likely got them with your old HTiB, and that would let you know.

2) Determine what, if anything, you would be likely to replace these with in the reasonably near future.

3) Take the higher of those two wattages and go look at receivers. Brands you should look at include Denon, Marantz, Onkyo, and Yamaha. Make sure the wattage is "at least enough" and then focus on features. Pay close attention to number of HDMI inputs/outputs and HDMI version (you want 1.3a) (if you are using HDMI interconnects).

You are unlikely to find the networking features you want in a used model, so you are hunting new.

4) You might actually find it cheaper/better to go pick up a $150 used HDMI-switching receiver (I see them at pawn shops and on EBay), and then add a used X-Box 360, or Sony PS3 (not slim); both of which can be used as a media client (most versions of the non-slim PS3 are wireless, check wikipedia for a breakdown). Some good dedicated Network components include the Sonos systems (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonos)
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Ok Jerry you are right I have a Panasonic Model No. SA-HT75 DVD home theater sound system. This unit had a subwoffer, 2 front speakers, center, and 2 side speakers. I was getting 5.1 sound with this and video to my Plasma TV

Sub is 6 ohm 200 watt model SB-W95
front and side are speakers are 6 ohm 60 watt Model SB-AFC95
Center speaker is 6 ohm 60 watt Model SB-PC89

Now on the back of the DVD HT I have 6 connectors "no jacks" for just the wire leads on my speakers one for the SB-W95 and the rest for the center ,left ,and sides.

Now the other connections I have on the back are:
TV AUDIO IN
VCR AUDIO IN
AUX
LINE OUT
VIDEO OUT
S-VIDEO OUT

IALSO HAVE FM AND AM ANTENA CONNECTIONS

On my NEW BD390 Blue Ray I have on the back:

component video out
y-pb-pr
2 ch audio out red- white
video out yellow
----------------------------------------------

7.1 ch analog audio out
sw
c
fl-fr
sl-sr
sbl
sbr
Digital audio out coaxial
optical
hdmi out
lan

Can I use the DVD HT and my NEW BD390 to work together and get 5.1 sound
from both my DVD HT and my Blue Ray BD390 useing these exsisting speakers?

Please advise in "english" :)

Thanks
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
Here's where you can get a copy of the manual.

You're definitely gonna have to spring for at least a powered subwoofer and you'll still be stuck with those ratty speakers.

You might consider dropping a few hundred on a better speaker system while you're at it. Say, a five pack of these for $199 and, for another $199, one of these. They may be small, but that doesn't always mean crap, if you know what you're buying. For $400, you'll get more sound than you can imagine.

Of course there are other options out there but this doesn't suck.

Now. I'm outta here for good.
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
SPEAKER SECTION
[HT75\ [SB-AFC95] Front and surround speakers
Type 1 way 1 speaker Bass-ref.
Speaker
Full range 8 cm (31⁄8z) cone type
Impedance 6 ≠
Input power 60 W (music)
Output sound pressure level 79 dB/W (1.0 m)
Frequency range 80 Hz–22 kHz (-16 dB)
110 Hz–20 kHz (-10 dB)

[HT75\ [SB-PC89] Center speaker
Type 1 way 1 speaker Bass-ref.
Speaker
Full range 8 cm
Impedance 6
Input power 60 W (music)
Output sound pressure level 79 dB/W (1.0 m)
Frequency range 80 Hz–22 kHz (-16 dB)
110 Hz–20 kHz (-10db)

Subwoofer
Type 1 way 1 speaker Bass-ref.
Speaker unit
Woofer 17 cm
Impedance 6
Input power 200 W (music)
Output sound pressure level 80 dB/W (1.0 m)
Frequency range 42 Hz–1.5 kHz (-16 dB)
46 Hz–900 Hz (-10 dB)

Your speaker specs are listed above.

I suggest you upgrade your subwoofer and get a nice new receiver.

http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/ONKTXSR507BLK/Onkyo/TX-SR507-5.1-Channel-Home-Theater-Receiver/1.html

would be my primary suggestion due to it's low price point.

Pair that with a Dayton 12" sub(150) which you can pick up here or at parts-express. If the 12" is too big for you. I got a 10" I need to move(shameless plug) since I'm building a sub. If your interested let me know. I'll even toss in a cable for you.

If I were you I buy this and that receiver above.

http://www.thespeakercompany.com/PLCR161-HT8-P102C36.aspx Get that set to replace you current speakers/sub and you'll be set for much better sound.

I don't suggest trying to power your current sub as I don't know how much it can really take.
 
JerryLove

JerryLove

Audioholic Ninja
Sub is 6 ohm 200 watt model SB-W95
front and side are speakers are 6 ohm 60 watt Model SB-AFC95
Center speaker is 6 ohm 60 watt Model SB-PC89
I checked. These are all passive speakers. You could hook them up to a standard receiver if you wish.

Note that the subwoofer appears to be passive: so you would need a receiver that has a powered subwoofer out or you would need to replace it.

Can I use the DVD HT and my NEW BD390 to work together and get 5.1 sound
from both my DVD HT and my Blue Ray BD390 useing these exsisting speakers?
No. The problem is that your DVD HT does not have an input for surround sound. The most you could get from your BlueRay through the DVDHT would be stereo (or DolbyProLogic)

You need a new receiver. If you can find one in your price range with streaming network capability, wonderful; but I'm not optimistic there. Otherwise, I'd recommend picking up a $150 used Onkyo or the like with HDMI and finding a separate media client... you'll have more future flexability that way anyway.

You can use the new receiver with the existing speaker (see caviat about subwoofer), but I would put upgrading your speakers on your "to do" list.
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
Note that the subwoofer appears to be passive: so you would need a receiver that has a powered subwoofer out or you would need to replace it.
I really can't think of any non-HTIB receiver that offers a speaker-level subwoofer output.
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
I really can't think of any non-HTIB receiver that offers a speaker-level subwoofer output.
There are ways you could add a non powered sub to a receiver, but you better know your electronics.
 
JerryLove

JerryLove

Audioholic Ninja
I really can't think of any non-HTIB receiver that offers a speaker-level subwoofer output.
Me neither. Sounds like upgrading the subwoofer to a self-powered unit is in order.

The good news is, again, this could be done very inexpensively (the exiting unit's performance could be met with low-end gear) or could simply be the first investment in a better speaker setup.
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
I know electronics.

There are ways you could add a non powered sub to a receiver, but you better know your electronics.
And, besides adding an amp, what other option is there? Plate amps aren't cost-effective and trying to use an unused internal amp isn't always an option on budget receivers. Plus, it'll most likely "fart out" that subwoofer anyway.
 
JerryLove

JerryLove

Audioholic Ninja
And, besides adding an amp, what other option is there? Plate amps aren't cost-effective and trying to use an unused internal amp isn't always an option on budget receivers. Plus, it'll most likely "fart out" that subwoofer anyway.
Run your sub-out to (say) tapedeck 1 left, then set Room B on "tapedeck 1" in "source direct" and wire "Room B LF" to the sub.

Or something like that.

I don't recommend it, but it could be done.

Given that a 130-200W amp of quality sufficient of match-or-exceed the rest of the speakers can be had for $60 at a pawn shop, it seems the best option. Ironically, a "really good" sub might have problems with the higher frequencies that the crossover likely should be set for those speakers.
 
njedpx3

njedpx3

Audioholic General
My starting recommendation

Springer,

I just looked up tle LG BD390 and it is very nice.

If I were you this is the type of configuration I would start with. Get good low end receiver that supports HDMI, such as the Yamaha RX-V365 from Audioholic Online store for $229.95 with free shipping
http://store.audioholics.com/product/2360/66343/yamaha-rx-v365-surround-receiver.


Connected the LG BD390 to the Yamaha RX-V365 with HDMI cable and then connected the Yamaha to your TV with another HDMI cable. If your TV doesn't support HMDI ( i didn't see your TV mentioned), component connections should work.

The wireless will provide input into you LGBD390 from many great sources: CinemaNow, YouTube, Netflix and Vudu* . That sounds awesome;)


You can try using your existing speakers, except for the sub. You cantry getting by without a sub ( a sub provides the low bass sounds for movies and DVDs). If this doesn't please you you can add an inexpensive, but very good sub, the Dayton SUB-120HT for $155.23 from Parts Express http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=300-635

Depending on the size of your room ( How big is it?) you might want to think about upgrading speakers. Fronts are most important, but you can get very good bookshelf speakers, Cambridge Audio S30, for as little as $199 per pair from Digital Craze http://www.digitalcraze.com/Details.asp?Source=Froogle&ProductID=3969

For movies a center speaker provides the dialog and if possible it should match ( be of the same type) to provide from center timbre (seamless sound). Surrounds are fro enhnacement and not hnear as important and can be added later.

A good place to by inexpensive cables, but very good cables, is monoprice.com or bluejeanscables.com

I know these ideas go a little over you budget, but tried to give you and idea of how to proceed in a reasonable proced manner and still get great sound.

Good Luck!

NJ
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
And, besides adding an amp, what other option is there? Plate amps aren't cost-effective and trying to use an unused internal amp isn't always an option on budget receivers. Plus, it'll most likely "fart out" that subwoofer anyway.
You would run the sub on the same line as the LR channels. It would require the use of a crossover and be a lot of effort though. Perhaps if a person just wanted to do it for the sake of the challenge it would be fine. (crazy I admit)

Amps are not all that expensive, but as pointed out his sub isn't worthy of an amp and should be replaced. Even a dayton 8" would be a step up and cost as much as a most cheap amps. Unless he went pawning.
 

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