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psbfan9

psbfan9

Audioholic Samurai
If the republicans win this election maybe we can invade China. :)
Yes! Invade China...But first, we colonize the moon. :eek::eek:

Oooh yeah! I love Kung Fu!!
I've never heard of ThisAmericanLife.org, do they always have audio like this?
Redgirl, This American life is a great show. It's broadcast on most public radio stations.
They also had/have a show on Showtime movie network.

This American Life On Showtime - Showtime - This American Life Official Site
 
Rickster71

Rickster71

Audioholic Spartan
The middle class is in trouble because they let the banks scam them out of their money through mortgages, car loans and student loans.
To be fair.
We're in trouble because we let politicians and Congress force the banks to scam us.

Both political parties repealed the Glass Steagall Act of 1933...an agreement with the Clinton administration in 1999.
That set the stage for passage of the most sweeping banking deregulation bill in American history, lifting virtually all restraints on the operation of the financial system.

Part of this new bill contained the "Community Reinvestment Act," a law which requires that banks make a certain proportion of their loans in minority and poor neighborhoods.
Even though all involved knew there was no hope or ability to repay these loans.
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
To be fair.
We're in trouble because we let politicians and Congress force the banks to scam us.

Both political parties repealed the Glass Steagall Act of 1933...an agreement with the Clinton administration in 1999.
That set the stage for passage of the most sweeping banking deregulation bill in American history, lifting virtually all restraints on the operation of the financial system.

Part of this new bill contained the "Community Reinvestment Act," a law which requires that banks make a certain proportion of their loans in minority and poor neighborhoods.
Even though all involved knew there was no hope or ability to repay these loans.
You aint kidding. There is a reason we have apartments.
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
The middle class is in trouble because they let the banks scam them out of their money through mortgages, car loans and student loans.
If the middle class aren't working, there's no money to be scammed. Its as simple that.
 
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dseng

Enthusiast
I know a lot more people who are in trouble because they lost a job than because they took out bad loans. Bad loans were EASY to avoid.
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
I know a lot more people who are in trouble because they lost a job than because they took out bad loans. Bad loans were EASY to avoid.
All loans are bad loans. The debtor is slave to the lender. ;)
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
All loans are bad loans. The debtor is slave to the lender. ;)
Are you getting your loans in the back room of an Italian restaurant? :eek: :D

All loans are not bad loans. The practice exists for a reason and, if done properly, is mutually beneficial. Without loans, the economy would stagnate.

Do you have any money in a bank or in investments? If so, then you are lending money. Yep, you are. You can only earn interest if someone else is paying it. But, those people are willing to do that in order to acquire resources faster than they could if they tried to earn them through wages alone.

I could not buy my house eleven years ago without a loan. I simply did not have the existing capital to do it. But, someone else did, and I had the future earning potential to warrant the purchase. So, I borrowed the money to get a house, and to compensate the lending party for their resources and risk, I paid them interest on my loan. I now own my home. I benefited from the use of someone else's existing resources, and they benefited from my compensation to them.

Debt is not inherently a bad thing - but people do need to think about and weigh the risks versus the potential rewards.
 
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redgirl

Junior Audioholic
I agree completely, Adam! My truck was a time bomb but there was no point in trying to repair it (the repairs would cost more than the overall value of the truck & it had an internal oil leak somewhere in the engine) and I did not have the resources to purchase a newer, reliable one. I went to someone who did, the bank, and I now have a nice (mostly) new shiny car and a bit of debt that will be repaid via a manageable monthly payment. risks < rewards
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
Debt is not inherently a bad thing - but people do need to think about and weigh the risks versus the potential rewards.
The rich rule over the poor,
and the borrower is slave to the lender.

This is an ancient proverb from Solomon not my own idea. I figure Solomon was wiser than me so I'll go with his advice.
 
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redgirl

Junior Audioholic
Isiberian, I too, was wary of getting into debt. This is my first loan; I was lucky enough to be able to purchase my truck in cash the first time but we see how well that turned out. I was at a point where I needed a new car but had no money for one. Have you never taken on any kind of loan? If so, what's your trick. Seriously, do you make a lot of money, are you really good at saving, or what?

Also are you talking about Solomon from the bible?
 
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Gustavo

Audioholic Intern
Overpriced?

I hate how Chinese factory conditions have been linked to Apple products.

The truth is that every electronic device is made there. Whether your MP3 player or smartphone says Apple, Samsung, whatever, chances are it was made in these Chinese factories. Same with computer motherboards, LCDs, etc.

I'm also not convinced these workers would be better off if the factories didn't exist. They would probably either be unemployed or working 18 hour days on a farm.
Maybe because Apple products are so way overpriced in spite of the low cost of materials and cheap labor in China and the end-price has not trickled to the workers?

Here's a link to how much iPhone 4S really costs:

Apple's iPhone 4S price: How much it really costs to make | Mail Online
 
GO-NAD!

GO-NAD!

Audioholic Warlord
The rich rule over the poor,...
Absolutely. And that will probably never change.

...and the borrower is slave to the lender.
Depends on who the borrower is and who the lender is. When you or I can't pay our loans back, we have a problem. When Greece can't pay its loans back, the banks and the EU have a problem.

The consequences of not re-paying a loan in Solomon's day were probably a bit more grave than they are today, i.e. it was quite possible that you and your entire family would literally become slaves back then.
 
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3db

Audioholic Slumlord
Maybe because Apple products are so way overpriced in spite of the low cost of materials and cheap labor in China and the end-price has not trickled to the workers?

Here's a link to how much iPhone 4S really costs:

Apple's iPhone 4S price: How much it really costs to make | Mail Online
I'm remaining anti apple until they bury 6' feet under. I never liked that company, thought there stuff was way over priced, product quality is mediocre, and they could careless about the citizen's of their own country by outsourcing. There was a good article on TV about Apple's questionable business practices with China.
 
GO-NAD!

GO-NAD!

Audioholic Warlord
I'm remaining anti apple until they bury 6' feet under. I never liked that company, thought there stuff was way over priced, product quality is mediocre, and they could careless about the citizen's of their own country by outsourcing. There was a good article on TV about Apple's questionable business practices with China.
Products will sell for whatever price they will bear. To you - and me, by the way - Apple products are overpriced. But, millions of others are willing to pay those prices. If enough people were unwilling to pay their asking prices, they would come down. Just remember that the competitors' products are manufactured in the same places, under the same conditions. I can't be bothered with Apple, because they are overpriced for me and I just haven't drunk the Apple kool-aid and bought into the image that Apple tries to portray.

It's hard to say what's "right" and what's "wrong" about our current situation. The modern industrial economy has only been around for a couple of centuries, which is just the blink of an eye in the history of humanity. Prior to that, 90% of the world's population lived in abject poverty. That was the norm. Even today, when you discount OECD countries, living in poverty affects the majority of the world's population.

The only way to bring back manufacturing jobs to North America would be to increase productivity or to enact protectionism, which is generally blamed for making the Great Depression deeper and longer. It's kinda hard to lay the entire blame at the feet of the corporations. Well, maybe the first ones to go offshore. They were just trying to maximize their profits. The subsequent moves by other companies could be seen as necessary to compete. When a company's no.1 obligation is profits for the shareholders, with no.2 (whatever that might be) being a distant second, it's difficult to judge.

In fact, if you have investments in mutual funds as part of your retirement savings, you probably own some of Apple.:eek:

The saving grace for Canada's economy right now is resources - oil, gas, minerals, etc. That's why BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Newfoundland are booming, while Ontario's manufacturing economy is struggling. The problem with resource economies, is that they go boom to bust and back again. At least you can't shut down and transfer an oil well or mine...
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
Isiberian, I too, was wary of getting into debt. This is my first loan; I was lucky enough to be able to purchase my truck in cash the first time but we see how well that turned out. I was at a point where I needed a new car but had no money for one. Have you never taken on any kind of loan? If so, what's your trick. Seriously, do you make a lot of money, are you really good at saving, or what?

Also are you talking about Solomon from the bible?
Dave Ramsey has a great plan for getting out of debt and staying out of debt, but it's certainly not easy. I am unfortunately still in debt. I took out a student loan. I wish I could say I never went into debt, but I can't. Debt makes me spend more and elevate my lifestyle beyond what is necessary.

Buying a house without debt will be hard, but there are so many people that mistakenly took out mortgages in the last 5 to 10 years that I plan to never take one out. When you could work for the same company for 30 years it might have been okay, but nowadays layoffs are far too common to take on the risk of being upside down on anything. Besides the banks are always gonna end up ahead of you with their interest charges.

As far as cars go for 8000 you can get a good car. I hope you can get yourself in a position someday to be able to save up 8000. I sure hope you didn't buy a brand new car on a loan with no money in the bank. Cars have more interest than the loan tells you.

I will be completely out of debt in by Christmas of 2013. It's certainly not easy to eat at home, keep Audio purchases to a minimum and live in a tight space, but it's worth it for our long term goals.

Yes Solomon wrote a lot of the proverbs.
 
jonnythan

jonnythan

Audioholic Ninja
Maybe because Apple products are so way overpriced in spite of the low cost of materials and cheap labor in China and the end-price has not trickled to the workers?

Here's a link to how much iPhone 4S really costs:

Apple's iPhone 4S price: How much it really costs to make | Mail Online
They're really not. Top-end Android smartphones cost the same as iPhones. Quality iPod competitors like the Zune cost the same as the iPod. High-end laptops with similar specs (both computational and physical) as the Macbook Pros cost the same or more. Android tablets with similar size and specs cost the same as the iPad.

I'm tired of people saying Apple products are overpriced. They're not. The thing is that they only make high-end products.
 

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