no. 5

no. 5

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My wife was going to get one of the diesel VW Jetta's a short time ago. Then we noticed the prices at the pump, and figured it wasn't worth it anymore, like it once was.
What a world, eh? Cheaper to run a GTI than a Jetta diesel. ;)
 
haraldo

haraldo

Audioholic Warlord
If you think the Smart is Weird, the Tata Nano from India tops everything, ugliest ever:


If you happen to crash in one of those :eek:
 

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Matt34

Matt34

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Even though I hated it at the time my old 02 Hyundai Accent hatch with 20,000 miles on it cost me $3000 and got 42 mpg. I could seat four and it didn't look like it had already ran into a concrete wall(like the Smart does). Wish I would have kept on to it for the days I couldn't ride the bike in to work.
 
Jack Hammer

Jack Hammer

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Regardless of how they look or cost, these types of cars may be a step in the right direction. Most people have a 4 door car and mainly drive alone. The back seat is just a place to keep junk and garbage. I think for most people, especially in the city, this would be a good type of vehicle to have. Now if they can just make them look attractive...


Jack
 
Alamar

Alamar

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Seeing that I have little to no pride I wouldn't mind driving around in an ugly car. The only things that I'd like to see would be to make the car more economically viable ... 33/40 MPG just doesn't cut it. I'd much rather have some form of either plug-in only car or a plug-in hybrid of some variety.

Fortunately I hear that better than expected progress is being made in the field of batteries / capacitors / etc. so a plug-in car should be viable with decent ranges && power [maybe price eventually?] before long.
 
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10010011

Senior Audioholic
Seeing that I have little to no pride I wouldn't mind driving around in an ugly car.
Agreed, I am secure enough with my manhood to not have to drive a huge truck with an off road package (that never goes off road for fear of scratching it) or a flashy sports car (midlife crisis guy) to drive a Smart Car around town and to work.
 
stratman

stratman

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All valid points, but if MPGs is what you're after the Prius is the way to go, it sits 4, gets outrageous MPGs, and it looks better than the cockroach. I think the Mini is a better choice than the SMART. Once the novelty wears off, it's down right ugly, to me it's the AMC Pacer of this generation.:eek:
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
All valid points, but if MPGs is what you're after the Prius is the way to go, it sits 4, gets outrageous MPGs, and it looks better than the cockroach. I think the Mini is a better choice than the SMART. Once the novelty wears off, it's down right ugly, to me it's the AMC Pacer of this generation.:eek:
The Prius is a hunk of ****. I hate driving them, I hate looking at them, and I hate the stupid hippy fart sniffers that drive them. They don't get good mileage. They Claim 65 or something, but it's only if you drive in the city, with a REALLY light foot. Otherwise the motor kicks in and it's no better then a Yaris.

SheepStar
 
stratman

stratman

Audioholic Ninja
The Prius is a hunk of ****. I hate driving them, I hate looking at them, and I hate the stupid hippy fart sniffers that drive them. They don't get good mileage. They Claim 65 or something, but it's only if you drive in the city, with a REALLY light foot. Otherwise the motor kicks in and it's no better then a Yaris.

SheepStar
Hippy fart sniffers! Man I'm glad you're back! Never thought of a tree-hugger/hippie that way! But hey. I wasn't aware of the Prius' shortcomings. Interesting to say the least.
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
Hippy fart sniffers! Man I'm glad you're back! Never thought of a tree-hugger/hippie that way! But hey. I wasn't aware of the Prius' shortcomings. Interesting to say the least.
Watch the southpark episode on the Hybrid cars, you'll understand why I said that.

SheepStar
 
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Joe Schmoe

Audioholic Ninja
My biggest issue with tiny cars is living in a city full of people who drive SUVs and pickups. The average redneck driver here will run over a tiny car and think "was that a speed-bump?":eek:
 
Rickster71

Rickster71

Audioholic Spartan
Here are a few more points to ponder:
Hybrids cost anywhere from $2,000 to $5,000 more than their non-Hybrid versions.

2. The issue with the batteries, isn't that they go bad prematurely; it's the cost, when you do replace them. Each battery pack costs about $5,000 to $8,000, which is dependent on the model of the car.

3. The average Hybrid car tends to accelerate at a slower speed when compared to normal vehicles. It is because of this point that many drivers tend to feel unsafe in a hybrid car.
To facilitate increased speeds, hybrid cars are usually smaller than normal cars, and are usually manufactured using lightweight body materials. Though this facilitates the need for increased acceleration, this also makes the hybrid car more vulnerable in an accident. So, when compared to larger, steel reinforced cars, hybrid cars are most likely to get damaged if, and when, involved in an accident.
Also, there is a risk of exposure to high energy wires, in an accident. Arcing wires and spilled fuel would also be a problem.

4. Even the Hybrids that are based on existing cars, like a Toyota Camry or Nissan Altima.
The Hybrid versions are heavier than the non-Hybrid. A heavier vehicle has longer stopping distances, and uses more fuel to accelerate. Hybrids are more complex, and more expensive to repair.

5. As we talked about last night; Hybrids are a new technology, with an unproven track record.
They just need time for the non-obvious bugs to show up; and for those, to be worked out.


6. Ultimately, you end up with greater expense, more risk. All with gas mileage figures that aren't as good as expected, or claimed.

It's a good start. The bugs have to be worked out; and I don't want to be the guinea pig.
 
jonnythan

jonnythan

Audioholic Ninja
If anyone here can find me a new car that gets 71 mpg and costs under $15000 that's NOT a Smart, you let me know!

Ragging on a small, super-efficient car because you think it's ugly!? WTF?
 
D

density

Audioholic Intern
What a world, eh? Cheaper to run a GTI than a Jetta diesel. ;)
eh, I have a 2004 jetta tdi that's capable of 70mpg. The price of diesel will need to go up a fair amount higher for the GTI to be the cheaper choice.

It hurts to shell out the 4.10$/gal x 15gal* = 61.5 bucks to fill the tank. The only consolation is that the 15 gallons will take the car over 1,000 miles.

As for the smart cars... don't they only get ~40mpg? My wife's old saturn would do that, and it sat 4 no problem.


*vented, the tank is a 17 gallon tank. But I don't suggest you empty it. The 2004 has an in-tank fuel pump, but diesels are still hard to re-start once the tank is run dry. 15 gallons represents an average fueling, where the driver would still have a possible 100 miles of 50mpg driving before the tank ran dry. The low fuel light comes on with 2.5 gallons left in the tank.

oh, and I'm not trying to say that every tdi will earn 70mpg, I worked hard for that. I believe every pre-new jetta will earn over 60mpg when appropriately driven. Enough small talk.
 
stratman

stratman

Audioholic Ninja
jonnythan;393103 Ragging on a small said:
ugly[/b]!? WTF?
Hey just because it's efficient doesn't mean it has to be ugly, there shouldn't be a compromise. Their roadster which also sat 2 was discontinued, it was efficient and nice looking. As for 70 mpgs:

" What is the gas mileage of smart?

"Engineering and testing continues to take place on the vehicle that will be produced for the United States. The vehicle is designed to achieve 40 city/45 highway mpg according to 2007 EPA standards and 33 city/41 highway mpg according to 2008 EPA standards. The mpg rating for all vehicles will decrease in 2008 due to new calculation methods that the EPA has adopted. These methods involve measuring mpg while taking into account real life driving conditions such as start/stop city traffic, air conditioning, heating, etc. The gas tank of the smart fortwo is 8.7 gallons."

*Fuel economy estimates were derived in accordance with the Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) vehicle testing procedures for model year 2008 as specified in 40 C.F.R. pts. 86 and 600 (2007). These estimates are intended for comparison between other vehicles within the same class. Individual drivers’ actual mileage will vary depending on how they drive and maintain their vehicles.

Is the smart vehicle safe?
The safety management system of the smart fortwo will set new standards in its class, and is designed to achieve a 4-star crash rating in the USA.

The highlight of the safety management system is the tridion safety cell. The safety cell is made from steel, half of which is high-strength material, especially in highly stressed areas. The cell is designed to keep occupants protected. The reinforced steel and the design of the car allow for the displacement of impact and redistribution of crash energy. Because of the size of the vehicle, most crashes will also involve one of the wheel bases which also displaces energy.

Both doors are also designed for easy access during rescue.

The smart fortwo comes standard with four airbags (two full-sized front and two side for head and thorax protection). Other safety features such as esp® (electronic stability program) and ABS brakes are also standard.

Is the smart safe for children?
The smart fortwo features highly efficient restraint systems that meet Mercedes-Benz's passive safety standards. Infant or children restraint systems (booster, infant or child seat) can be affixed properly to the passenger seat by means of the safety belt. A ratchet mechanism locates the tightly pulled safety belt and holds the infant/child restraint system in position. Please note that laws relating to the use and installation of infant or children restraint systems vary by jurisdiction. You will need to review the laws applicable to you prior to installing and using infant or children restraint systems in your smart fortwo.

An electronically controlled system will detect the weight of the occupant on the passenger seat or the installation of a child restraint system. The Electronic Control Unit (ECU) determines the appropriate mode of the dual stage full size front airbag deployment. For very young passengers for whom an airbag deployment could mean a serious risk, the front and side airbags will be deactivated. A control lamp in the center of the roof panel will show this clearly. Always check the control lamp to make sure the airbags are deactivated for very young passengers."


So it's ugly and not that efficient!
 
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haraldo

haraldo

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I was reading on their site that they stopped production of the roadster entirely.
I have seen the roadster in London, it's actually very nice looking, totally different car......
 
Alamar

Alamar

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My biggest issue with tiny cars is living in a city full of people who drive SUVs and pickups. The average redneck driver here will run over a tiny car and think "was that a speed-bump?":eek:
True .. there's always someone that ruins it for the rest of us :)

What's bad is that the people that I know that drive big vehicles "to feel safe" actually tend to be worse drivers than people in other vehicles ...
 

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