Should I hold out for the good stuff?

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pjviitas

Audioholic Intern
I thought I would repost this over here instead of General Discussions.

So far my home theatre setup consists of the following:
Dell W3201C 32" LCD TV
Sony STR-DG800 Receiver

My justification for the TV was that I live on Baffin Island and Dell shipped it for free.

My justification for the receiver was that I am pumping my A/V through a MythTV PVR box and HDMI provides the best video solution for a computer.

Now, the only problem is that I need surround speakers.

I have tried to get the following Athena based system from Future Shop:
http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/pro...0074516&catid=

However, their supply chain is messed up and it has literally failed to ship twice already. I have been waiting 6 weeks to get a set of surround speakers up here.

With that in mind the Sony Store had a receiver up here in less than 2 weeks...free shipping.

So my question is should I get the following system from the Sony Store:
1 x SSCN550H
4 x SSMB150H
1 x SAWM500

And have a set of surround speakers here in less than 2 weeks...or keep banging away at Future Shops supply chain problem?

It may also be that the demand for that particular system from Future Shop is throttled and if I ordered some Athena or Polk components individually, they would show up.

I know speakers will be the most important part of my system so any help in not making a mistake would be greatly appreciated.

Best Regards, Hedgehog
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GreenJelly

Banned
First cancle your order... any company that takes 6 weeks to process an order is a company that you need to dump. Its not worth the hassle of the issues that might arise when warrenty etc issue

How much are you looking to spend on speakers?

I wouldnt jump to any company like Sony, Panasonic, etc that make electronic components and then produce speakers too. They are usually overpriced and low on quality.

Mike
 
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pjviitas

Audioholic Intern
I have heard a good rule of thumb is to spend as much on the speakers as the television which is $1400CAD which . So around $1200USD I guess and that would be for a 5.1 system.
 
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Nick250

Audioholic Samurai
That's a new one on me. Speaker budget in my eyes is, what I can comfortably afford, and then how to maximize whatever my "sonic goal" is while keeping to my budget. So what is your goal? More music than HT, or perhaps all HT or all music. How loud do you like to listen to your music, etc, etc.

Nick
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
Don't buy Sony speakers, please. They make some of the worst speakers IMO. They have OK receivers, but they don't make good speakers, unless you get the ones that Circuit City carried last year for cheap, but not likely you will find them they are a rarity.
 
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Bee-Man

Audioholic Intern
PJ,

The SONY is 7.1 @110W (probably a little lower in reality....I assume it cost you around the $400 mark.....so its a pretty decent receiver...

My two cents is get an SVS system the 7.1 with the sub upgrade to the 12" - for another $125 you will never contemplate upgrading....great value..

A rung below - but still a great system for home theatre is the Hsu Ventrilquist - with the VTF-2 MK2 sub for $700...and get an additional sat for the 7.1 as this is a 6.1 system.

The subwoofers from each package are superb!

Both companies are also great to deal with and responsive.....

Cheers....
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
Yes, I plain forgot about the HSU Ventriloquist, though I did mention the SVS SBS-01 to pjviitas on another thread.
 
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GreenJelly

Banned
7.1 surround sound, on speakers that you wouldnt be able to tell the difference bettween 7 channels and 3. Not to mention that there are about 4 movies that have 7 channel audio, and that their is absolutely NO benifit for people unless they have a very large room.

I can tell you the system sucks cause A) the cost B) the number of speakers C) the manufacturer.

I cant express this enough, I wish it was a DAMN sticky... Wait, some of it already is...

First... DONT BUY SPEAKERS FROM ELECTRONIC MANUFACTURERS!
Second... DONT BUY SATALIGHTS
Third.... DONT BUY 7.1 SPEAKER SYSTEMS (unless you are spending a ton of money with a very big area)
Fourth... If your spending less then $1000, dont buy a surround sound system, instead buy a pair of speakers and a subwoofer.
Fifth... Dont buy your Speakers at any large Electronic Gaming TV Appliance Combo store (aka best buy, circuit sh.city, compusa). Only go to stores that SPECIALIZE in only video and Audio. If you buy speakers at walmart send me a PM with your address, so that I may come over to your house and put a bullet in your head. At the very least DONT have children, for your genetics should not continue to exist.
Sixth... We can ONLY recommend certain brands, and warn you against others, the performance of the speakers rely on many factors. These factors include personal opinion and feeling, speaker placement, speaker volume, amplification, sound source, sound style, application requirements and the personal characteristics of the room. If possible bring the speakers home and test them for yourself, in your own space. Remember that my personal favorite speakers are NOT liked by some people, and are actually said to be of low quality by others. Yet, I have listened to tons of speakers for many days worth of time, and they are still my favorites. Its not that I am wrong or that he is wrong. Its that we are both right, and that we are both wrong.
Seventh... Always bring your OWN music to listen too. Bring stuff that your so tired of listening to that it almost causes you to pull your hair out. This is the music that you should recognize every note off, and is the best for triing things out. Also bring music that is exciting to you, make sure the system lifts the hair on the back of your kneck. Always use the same music on all auditions. Music with distortion petals have distortion. Classic Albums are converted from old analog recordings and can have a low pitch hissing, and as such are lower quality recordings with defects. Live recordings have distortion because they use microphones that pick up external sound, such as croud noise and reverberation of other instruments. Try to play DVD's with DTS, for they have a higher Bitrate and are better sound quality. Dont avoid the above music selections if thats what you like, but also include music outside these catagories.
I recommend playing the 1812 Overture with real cannons. This recording contains extreme ranges in sound volume and extreme peaks of certain audio ranges. I also recommend Tom Petty, he is a great singer, and his music is accustical.
Eigth... Speaker Placement, Speaker Volume, and Component (sound source) Quality makes a difference in sound quality. Make sure you keep everything as equal as possible. Dont bring a I-POD or MP3 player as your music listening device. CD's/DVD's only. Though in reality DVD's audio formate are infact MP3.
Ninth... FIRST, listen to the music at LOW volume, then Meduim volume, then Turn up the music, and listen for distortion. Distortion is caused by the cone loosing control, a sign of poor, loose design. No Distortion presents itself as a feeling that the music isnt getting much more louder. Make sure you use discretion, and work with the sales man when testing high volumes. Let him turn it up. If he wont turn it to a volume level that suits you, then assume the speaker cant handle the volume you want. When listening to music, listen for the vibration of the different instruments, and make sure you can hear the singer taking a breath.
Tenth... Pay attention to Ohmz. If the speaker system (5.1 or 2 channel) are less then $2000; then be carefull of anything under eight Ohmz. Learn more about about this and you can adjust the above value dependent on your personal preferences. In systems under 8 Ohmz you must buy an amplifier, or a AV receiver that has a labeled value inside the manual of the item for that resistance.
Eleven... If you dont know what something is, ASK. I still make stupid comments, because I dont understand everything. (doh, made a stupid comment about digital amps a few weeks ago, too a sales man! He didnt correct me, though I wish he did.)
Twelve... Dont mix components from different brands and/or different serries when selecting a surround sound channel. The only exception to this rule is the subwoofer.
 
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Nick250

Audioholic Samurai
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GreenJelly said:
Fifth... Dont buy your Speakers at any large Electronic Gaming TV Appliance Combo store (aka best buy, circuit sh.city, compusa). Only go to stores that SPECIALIZE in only video and Audio. If you buy speakers at walmart send me a PM with your address, so that I may come over to your house and put a bullet in your head. At the very least DONT have children, for your genetics should not continue to exist.
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
Yes, that 5th rule was pushing it. That could very easily be seen as an insult, even if it wasn't intended to be. The last thing we want to see is another member get banned for a careless remark.
 
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GreenJelly

Banned
Seth=L said:
Yes, that 5th rule was pushing it. That could very easily be seen as an insult, even if it wasn't intended to be. The last thing we want to see is another member get banned for a careless remark.
BAnned, are you nuts... that rule is the best rule out of the bunch... How can you possibly choose a speaker system with all that noise around. 20 speaker systems running at once, 15 TVs with thier volume on. 40 customers chatting away, and 10 salesmen triing to pitch people stuff they dont need.

To buy from one of these stores is nuts unless you know exactly what you want.

I dont think that should be taken out. In fact I think people should be more aware of this fact. MAybe I should of put it higher up on the list.

But go ahead and do what ever you want to it... I stated my opinion, and it is my opinion. If they want to censor it, then its their right. If It was important enough, and they did censor it, then I would leave and go to a different forum. But honestly its not that important to me. Why? Because if they censor it, then its not on my sholders when someone comes complaining about their sony sound system that sounded so good in Best Buy, yet sucks at home. Ill simply say that I tried to warn people, but they censored me.
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
What we were talking about was the whole shooting someone in the head thing, not that you meant anything by it, just that it was a little over the top. I don't want to see you get banned by just using an analogy to illustrate your point, and it is not likely that you will. Know that I am not offended, just trying to keep people getting shot in the face to a minimum.:)
 
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pjviitas

Audioholic Intern
OK Green Jelly your funny but too the point which is good.

Your on the mark Green Jelly but I am constrained by a number of things mostly due to geography.

I live in a small town called Iqaluit in the Territory of Nunavut Canada so I don't have the option to shop around and listen to things.

Shipping costs are horrendous to this place. For example, a video card through Tiger Direct is $75.00 shipping via UPS. Shipping by post is pretty well the only economical choice and even then its horrendous. Just to give you a frame of reference I attempted to order a 5.1 surround system complete with stands from Future Shop (recently bought out by Best Buy) and the shipping was $300 with about a 2 week delivery times. Future Shop failed to ship twice and thats actually what brought me to this board.

Usually, if you need to send something out to get fixed your better off just throwing it out. A $400 subwoofer for example would probably cost $100 shipping each way and that would give a 4 week turnaround if the repair depot fixed and shipped it the day they got it.

I am all set up to buy a 5.1 surround system on my next trip out (going to vegas) however I am starting to even get leary about that since I will have to check its as baggage on my way back.

So this has got me thinking about SVS which has a Canadian affiliate http://www.sonicboomaudio.com/default.aspx. I could have them ship an SVS SBS-01 to my hotel in Ottawa and pick it up on my final jump back up to Iqaluit.

So, in closing I would like to say that pursuing high end A/V up here is not impossible but definitely a chore.

Best Regards, Hedgehog

P.S. I know it's the truth but considering my situation do you think getting a $1000 2.1 system is a good idea?
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
That would definitly serve you better in the long run. If you just get a 2.1 setup now you can upgrade the system at a later date when money allows. I would suggest starting a new thread on this topic. State what receiver you will be using, the budget, and size of the room in the new thread. I would also state your listening preferances in percentages, example: 20% TV, 50% Movies, and 30% music.

Hope that was the answer you were looking for.
 
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GreenJelly

Banned
Seth=L said:
What we were talking about was the whole shooting someone in the head thing, not that you meant anything by it, just that it was a little over the top. I don't want to see you get banned by just using an analogy to illustrate your point, and it is not likely that you will. Know that I am not offended, just trying to keep people getting shot in the face to a minimum.:)
Ohh, now I get the offended part... I thought you guys where offended over the rip on Bestbuy, Circuit City, etc. It never occured to me that you were talking about my joke. Wow, you guys need to lighten up a bit:)

Mike
 
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Bee-Man

Audioholic Intern
PJ,

The Green Jelly makes many good points - although whilst I wouldn't get 'satalights' for a two channel music system.......

But...if this is predominately for movies - then the Hsu (which I have in a 6.1) does a very good job - I play them on a YAMAHA RX-V559 ...and it plays clear and pretty darn loud......Whilst they are sats - the centre channel is

I know all about living in the beyond.....I worked in India in the mid 90's for five years when import restrictions limited you mostly to black market low end contraband....

If I was in your shoes....I wouldnt spend US$1000 on a 2.1 system and look to upgrade. Your location doesn't make it practical...and 1000 bucks buys something pretty decent these days....

.....Listening to what I have listened to - and knowing what I know, I would get the SVS. It is just great value (sub upgrade a must).

I also would do my homework and spend half a day in Vegas trying to listen to a few systems...you just never know.

FYI - I don't think there is a better forum for HT than this one - and to a large degree, the consensus opinions that have been offered will give you a system that you will be happy with...the professional reviews are usually trust worthy as well.....

Good luck bud....
 
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pjviitas

Audioholic Intern
Sounds like excellent advice to me Bee-Man.

One of the guys from SVS hit me up on one of the other threads.

Looks like he might even be able to expedite some reasonable shipping for me.

Thanks for the input...sounds like some advice that I can really relate to.

Best Regards, Hedgehog
 
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Bee-Man

Audioholic Intern
Thanks PJ,

Please let me know how you get on.....glad to hear that SVS folks have taken the lead and want to do something to sweeten the pot.

Hats off to them - really superb.

good luck once again in Vegas - baby!
 
Zer0beaT

Zer0beaT

Junior Audioholic
pjviitas said:
P.S. I know it's the truth but considering my situation do you think getting a $1000 2.1 system is a good idea?
Yes, absolutely.

Remember one thing. Speakers are timeless. TV's, Stereos, Amps, disc players etc all become obsolete (though I'd love a nice tube amp :D )

Speakers, if they're made well, should last you decades. And because of this, if you're serious about having high quality audio, you should get the best speakers you can even if it takes you a year to buy every piece.

I bought my Axioms in pairs, as I couldn't afford a package with the speakers I wanted. I started with the center and kept my old speakers doing left and right. Then I added bookshelves which became my main L/R and moved the old speakers to surround duty. Months later I decided to get floorstanders and moved the bookshelves to surround. I still don't have a subwoofer, but eventually.

I'm really glad I went this route and not to push Axiom, but given their free shipping and no hassle returns, I'd seriously consider going that route in your situation. They also don't seem to change their line, which means a year from now if you want more speakers, you'll be able to get the same line and style.

Anyway, I'd rather have 2 great speakers and add more later than get 5.1 all at once but go for something that leaves me wanting you know?
 

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