Should Home Theater Embrace Gaming to Save the Industry?

[Pogre]

Really, most gamers don't know what inaccurate colors are, ISF calibration, black crush, lack of shadow detail, etc. all that helps or ruins the HT experience.

Omg.

Now you're just getting silly...

 

[ryanosaur]

The only game I play is the Wii "Table Tennis" every time I run on my treadmill. I think it's 480p.

It might be 480p. Using composite or component cables with progressive scan on?

The Wii looked OK on our old 1080i/p Samsung at <49"... When I got the 55" Sony x850 in 2016, that was pretty much the death knell for the Wii as the picture just got too blurry to enjoy.
Those were the days.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

It might be 480p. Using composite or component cables with progressive scan on?

Yep, Component cables and probably progressive scan.

 

[Pogre]

Clearly, no argument will sway Friend @Auditor55 ... he clearly knows better than any of us. But I will say this... I'm pretty certain he is not too disimilar from that neighbor that sits on the porch and yells, "get off my lawn!" to anybody that strays to close... Just he does it about gamers encroaching on his TV technology!

I'm still tryna identify which fallacy he's using in his reasoning. At first I thought maybe the "Black Swan", but I think there's a "No True Scotsman" or "Strawman" fallacy tucked in there somewhere too. It wouldn't surprise me if there are multiple fallacies, all competing to be the best one...

 

[jbeem]

Why can't I connect my home AV receiver into a PC using a USB-C cable and get 7.1 - 9.1 speaker device show up in Windows 10? No need for Dolby Digital Live or DTS Interactive encoding. This seems like an obvious way to get home theater with a PC and not need an external DAC or sound card.

You have to use 4x TRRS to RCA cables on an AV receiver that has that many inputs. That's going away on some AV receiver these days.

 

[lovinthehd]

Why can't I connect my home AV receiver into a PC using a USB-C cable and get 7.1 - 9.1 speaker device show up in Windows 10? No need for Dolby Digital Live or DTS Interactive encoding. This seems like an obvious way to get home theater with a PC and not need an external DAC or sound card.

You have to use 4x TRRS to RCA cables on an AV receiver that has that many inputs. That's going away on some AV receiver these days.

Because avrs have very specific and limited usb capability, but you can utilize hdmi for multich audio with most current avrs (who needs external dacs or sound cards with most avrs either?). Not sure what you mean about the interactive encoding, tho.....and the connection/signal direction would be from computer to avr, not the other way around.

 

[Auditor55]

I wouldn’t know that as I’ve not consulted with ALL of the gamers to get any real numbers. Have you?

I'm just giving my opinion based upon my observation.

 

[Auditor55]

Omg.

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Now you're just getting silly...

Go ask some gamers, other than the "enlightened ones" on the Audioholics Forum, they will be like, what's black crush, my TV doesn't have that.

 

[Pogre]

Go ask some gamers, other than the "enlightened ones" on the Audioholics Forum, they will be like, what's black crush, my TV doesn't have that.

Um, gamers have already spoken in this thread. I know it's a limited sample size, but good enough for me for the purpose of the conversation. It's more evidence than your bald assertions which are backed by "like, that's just your opinion dude".

There are plenty of non gamers who watch TV and don't know what black crush is. Once again you bring up another red herring. What if instead of complaining about it, you educate a gamer, explain what black crush is and how it affects pq? I'll bet they'd agree with you...

 

[Pogre]

As a matter of fact, "gamers vs video/cinephiles" is a false dichotomy. There are far more average Joe's driving the market than either gamers or 'philes.

 

[Pogre]

Hey @Auditor55, let's take your personal number 1 pick. Money no option, the absolute cutting edge, bestest black-crushiest picture currently possible.

Now add a couple of gaming-friendly features.

How does that ruin it?

 

[Trebdp83]

The same could be said for some home theater enthusiasts as it can for gaming enthusiasts in regard to their knowledge of audio/video. Some don't know much. But, as some get more curious and have questions, they turn to online forums and seek advice and answers from those with more knowledge and experience. Anyone around here can start a thread about one thing or another concerning the audio/video experience in an attempt to enlighten others who enjoy the hobby. Perhaps a thread about black crush would be educational. But, back to this thread. The attempt to integrate home theater and gaming began many years ago and is nothing new. Seriously, am I the only guy who bought the Pioneer CLD-A100? After watching "Star Wars Trilogy:The Definitive Collection" on laserdisc, I'd play Sewer Shark and Sonic on the damn thing.

 

[Pogre]

The same could be said for some home theater enthusiasts as it can for gaming enthusiasts in regard to their knowledge of audio/video. Some don't know much. But, as some get more curious and have questions, they turn to online forums and seek advice and answers from those with more knowledge and experience. Anyone around here can start a thread about one thing or another concerning the audio/video experience in an attempt to enlighten others who enjoy the hobby. Perhaps a thread about black crush would be educational. But, back to this thread. The attempt to integrate home theater and gaming began many years ago and is nothing new. Seriously, am I the only guy who bought the Pioneer CLD-A100? After watching "Star Wars Trilogy:The Definitive Collection" on laserdisc, I'd play Sewer Shark and Sonic on the damn thing.

'Zactly. Which is why I say it was a red herring. Lack of knowledge is irrelevant and applies to more than just gamers.

 

[Auditor55]

Um, gamers have already spoken in this thread. I know it's a limited sample size, but good enough for me for the purpose of the conversation. It's more evidence than your bald assertions which are backed by "like, that's just your opinion dude".

There are plenty of non gamers who watch TV and don't know what black crush is. Once again you bring up another red herring. What if instead of complaining about it, you educate a gamer, explain what black crush is and how it affects pq? I'll bet they'd agree with you...

The people here are Audioholics that game, not the other way around. BTW, the title of this thread is:

Should Home Theater Embrace Gaming to Save the Industry?

That very topic is a solicitation for our opinions on the subject and not data. So it's very relevant and appropriate to offer my opinion here. It just seems you have a problem if that opinion differs from your own.

 

[Auditor55]

As a matter of fact, "gamers vs video/cinephiles" is a false dichotomy. There are far more average Joe's driving the market than either gamers or 'philes.

You should tell Gene it's a false dichotomy, he's the starter of this thread. He clearly places the gamer and the HT Theater buff into separate and even different demographic categories.

 

[Trebdp83]

Or, he wanted to increase traffic with a provocative thread.

 

[Auditor55]

The same could be said for some home theater enthusiasts as it can for gaming enthusiasts in regard to their knowledge of audio/video. Some don't know much. But, as some get more curious and have questions, they turn to online forums and seek advice and answers from those with more knowledge and experience. Anyone around here can start a thread about one thing or another concerning the audio/video experience in an attempt to enlighten others who enjoy the hobby. Perhaps a thread about black crush would be educational. But, back to this thread. The attempt to integrate home theater and gaming began many years ago and is nothing new. Seriously, am I the only guy who bought the Pioneer CLD-A100? After watching "Star Wars Trilogy:The Definitive Collection" on laserdisc, I'd play Sewer Shark and Sonic on the damn thing.

If I was a betting man, I would bet that most gamers (not including the Enlightened Ones here) don't have Atmos/DTS-X HT setups for gaming. They probably, most likely have soundbars or they use the TV speakers. They most likely don't have stand-alone UHD blu ray players, they probably have overpriced PS-5 that don't play Dolby Vision UHD disc. Now among the true HT enthusiast, that's sacrilegious. Most hardcore HT enthusiasts will tell you that the ultimate A/V experience is via UHD disc.
If you are an avid gamer, why would you care about a black crush? Games are interactive, not passive like watching a movie, the gamer is trying to win the game or get the highest score and that's the objective. Typically a gamer is not going place as high importance of picture quality as would a cinephile/videophile because watching a movie is more passive, you're sitting on the sofa or in a chair and no activity is required.

 

[Auditor55]

Or, he wanted to increase traffic with a provocative thread.

So you're saying it's clickbait?

 

[ryanosaur]

You should tell Gene it's a false dichotomy, he's the starter of this thread. He clearly places the gamer and the HT Theater buff into separate and even different demographic categories.

It’s an editorial by Jerry. Not Gene.
I would love to hear @gene ’s opinion here… tbh.
Regardless, your opinion is valid. As are those of us commenting that your opinion is shortsighted. Also when challenged by a differing viewpoint, you retreat to the premise that gaming technology will hurt tv technology.
This is why you are being challenged at every turn: you haven’t responded with anything other than that (or denigrating gamers)… even when invited.

 

[Auditor55]

Hey @Auditor55, let's take your personal number 1 pick. Money no option, the absolute cutting edge, bestest black-crushiest picture currently possible.

Now add a couple of gaming-friendly features.

How does that ruin it?

Because the manufacturers are going to make what the people want. If people demand 10 HDMI 2.1 240HZ displays and reject great displays with accurate colors, bright, great motion handling, and upscaling great shadow detail in favor of displays without it, it will ultimately ruin the market because we will see more flawed displays.