short electrostat/planar ribbon driver speaker?

GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
Thanks Granteed. I just sent Audiokinesis an email asking if they may have any local speakers to audition.
I wonder how far you are from AJinFLA. You should audition these:

 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
My wife would divorce me immediately if I brought those home! :eek:
Tell her they come in Beech White too :D :eek:

Seriously though i just meant for you to hear them to get a sense of compression driver speakers with controlled on / off axis response, since AJ is in Florida too i figured you might be nearby.
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
Well the wife has said ok up to 51" after she listened to some Magnepan's today. So it looks like I'm pondering 2 products now:

1. Magnepan MG12's, along with the Magnepan CC5 center speaker & some nice sub-woofer of my choice

OR

2. Salk Veracity HT2-TL's or HT2's with a HT2C center speaker & 15" Rythmik subwoofer


Both have the planar ribbon and both can be powered by my Yamaha RX-A3010 receiver. However, after emailing Jim Salk, I found out the closest pair of speakers for me to audition are a 4+ hour drive away. Have any of you heard both Salk speakers and Magnepan's? Or know where a comparison of the two speakers may be found on the net - like a review somewhere? Thanks a lot for any help! BTW - Mr. Salk comes across as a very nice guy online... and Wendell from Magnepan the same. It's nice that they're both American companies too.
Since your wife modified what was okay based on hearing Magnepan speakers, you might want to also have her listen to the newer 1.7:

MG 1.6 - Magnepan, Inc.

She may modify her opinion yet again.

As to your question on the Salk versus Magnepan, I have not heard Salk speakers so I cannot directly answer your question.

However, I own some speakers that appear to use the same ribbon tweeters as in a couple of other Salk speakers (Archos Open Baffle and Pharos HET) and can comment about mine (which are the bookshelf speakers in this brochure).

First off, those tweeters are superb, and sound as good as any tweeter I have ever heard. (Raal, who makes the tweeters for the models you are considering, is also supposed to be superb, and I have heard someone claim that they make even better tweeters than the Aurum Cantus G2). However, there is a difference in character between a monopole speaker and a dipole speaker, such that a dipole (properly set up) sounds more "spacious" than a monopole. For two channel use, I really like dipole speakers (these are what I use in my main two channel system); I have had people ask if there were more speakers in the room than just the two. But with surround, this seems less important, as one does have other speakers giving you a more immersive experience than just a pair of monopoles. And there is another difference, in that the midrange and bass are handled by a cone woofer instead of a ribbon or planar driver, and that is less desirable, in my opinion. Hearing just my Aurum Cantus Leisure 2SE (original U.S. version) speakers compared with my Apogee Stage speakers, the midrange, though very good with the Aurum Cantus, is significantly better with the Apogee Stage (and the Stage is also better with the bass, but as you say, that is what subwoofers are for). Now, the Salk speakers you are considering have what is, I believe, a higher quality woofer in them than my Aurum Cantus speakers, so they should sound better in the midrange than my Aurum Cantus speakers (assuming a well designed crossover, which I would expect from a company with their reputation), but I have never heard a cone woofer that I like as well as a planar driver for midrange, so my *guess* would be that I would prefer the Magnepan speakers. But a guess isn't really good enough, so I recommend that you drive to listen to them if you can hear them side by side with Magnepan speakers for comparison.

On the other hand, if you are impatient (which sometimes leads to mistakes), you really can't go wrong with Magnepan, particularly as you already know that both you and your wife really like them. But I recommend patience and going out to listen to as many different types and brands of speakers as you can stand to audition before parting with your money. Unless you have money to burn, in which case you should buy some Magnepan speakers now, and then when you have time, go audition the other speakers, and give away the Magnepans if you decide you like something else better.

One other thing: If you can fit an identical speaker in the center for the center channel, you will have perfect voice matching, which is ideal. In my surround system, I use identical speakers for all channels (other than subwoofer, obviously), and I will never go back to having speakers that are merely "voice matched."
 
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TheMule

TheMule

Enthusiast
Since your wife modified what was okay based on hearing Magnepan speakers, you might want to also have her listen to the newer 1.7:

MG 1.6 - Magnepan, Inc.

She may modify her opinion yet again.

As to your question on the Salk versus Magnepan, I have not heard Salk speakers so I cannot directly answer your question.

However, I own some speakers that appear to use the same ribbon tweeters as in a couple of other Salk speakers (Archos Open Baffle and Pharos HET) and can comment about mine (which are the bookshelf speakers in this brochure).

First off, those tweeters are superb, and sound as good as any tweeter I have ever heard. (Raal, who makes the tweeters for the models you are considering, is also supposed to be superb, and I have heard someone claim that they make even better tweeters than the Aurum Cantus G2). However, there is a difference in character between a monopole speaker and a dipole speaker, such that a dipole (properly set up) sounds more "spacious" than a monopole. For two channel use, I really like dipole speakers (these are what I use in my main two channel system); I have had people ask if there were more speakers in the room than just the two. But with surround, this seems less important, as one does have other speakers giving you a more immersive experience than just a pair of monopoles. And there is another difference, in that the midrange and bass are handled by a cone woofer instead of a ribbon or planar driver, and that is less desirable, in my opinion. Hearing just my Aurum Cantus Leisure 2SE (original U.S. version) speakers compared with my Apogee Stage speakers, the midrange, though very good with the Aurum Cantus, is significantly better with the Apogee Stage (and the Stage is also better with the bass, but as you say, that is what subwoofers are for). Now, the Salk speakers you are considering have what is, I believe, a higher quality woofer in them than my Aurum Cantus speakers, so they should sound better in the midrange than my Aurum Cantus speakers (assuming a well designed crossover, which I would expect from a company with their reputation), but I have never heard a cone woofer that I like as well as a planar driver for midrange, so my *guess* would be that I would prefer the Magnepan speakers. But a guess isn't really good enough, so I recommend that you drive to listen to them if you can hear them side by side with Magnepan speakers for comparison.

On the other hand, if you are impatient (which sometimes leads to mistakes), you really can't go wrong with Magnepan, particularly as you already know that both you and your wife really like them. But I recommend patience and going out to listen to as many different types and brands of speakers as you can stand to audition before parting with your money. Unless you have money to burn, in which case you should buy some Magnepan speakers now, and then when you have time, go audition the other speakers, and give away the Magnepans if you decide you like something else better.

One other thing: If you can fit an identical speaker in the center for the center channel, you will have perfect voice matching, which is ideal. In my surround system, I use identical speakers for all channels (other than subwoofer, obviously), and I will never go back to having speakers that are merely "voice matched."

Thank you Pyrrho. Great info! Jim Salk just hooked me up with a guy in Venice Beach and the wife & I are gonna go audition them very soon. Can't wait!
 
psbfan9

psbfan9

Audioholic Samurai
There is an AH forum member here "it'schris" who is close to the St.Pete area. You could send him a pm and see if he knows of any shops in east Florida. I could help more if you were closer to Orlando.

You also asked about listing your equipment. If you go into "user cp", then edit sig. you can list your equipment as your signature.

Good luck with your speaker search
 
TheMule

TheMule

Enthusiast
There is an AH forum member here "it'schris" who is close to the St.Pete area. You could send him a pm and see if he knows of any shops in east Florida. I could help more if you were closer to Orlando.

You also asked about listing your equipment. If you go into "user cp", then edit sig. you can list your equipment as your signature.

Good luck with your speaker search

Thanks for the info. I just emailed a guy named Scott, who's apparently a member here and in the St. Pete area. I'll try to contact Chris too. Thanks!
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
However, I own some speakers that appear to use the same ribbon tweeters as in a couple of other Salk speakers (Archos Open Baffle and Pharos HET) and can comment about mine (which are the bookshelf speakers in this brochure).

First off, those tweeters are superb, and sound as good as any tweeter I have ever heard. (Raal, who makes the tweeters for the models you are considering, is also supposed to be superb, and I have heard someone claim that they make even better tweeters than the Aurum Cantus G2).
FWIW, Jeff Bagby, who designed the Salk Pharos and Archos, was commenting on the RAAL the other day;

Techtalk Speaker Building, Audio, Video, and Electronics Customer Discussion Forum From Parts-Express.com - View Single Post - Ribbon Lovers and Haters
 
TheMule

TheMule

Enthusiast
I found a Philharmonic with a nicer finish (than all others I've seen so far) on his website today...





Sound is obviously the most important factor, period, when looking for speakers... BUT, when you're paying thousands of dollars for pieces of furniture and you have the WAF too, they should look good too IMO. This speaker above seems more in line with what a $1000+ dollar speaker should look like. Very nice.
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
I found a Philharmonic with a nicer finish (than all others I've seen so far) on his website today...





Sound is obviously the most important factor, period, when looking for speakers... BUT, when you're paying thousands of dollars for pieces of furniture and you have the WAF too, they should look good too IMO. This speaker above seems more in line with what a $1000+ dollar speaker should look like. Very nice.
The Philharmonic 2s are essentially a $5-10,000 speaker being sold for about 2K. There are some costs cut to give that level of performance to us. If you want a custom finish you could always ask Jim Salk about a custom finish for the Phil 3s but expect to pay over 6K.

Either way, I'm pretty sure that's the stock version of the speaker with the white veneer. The beveled one you linked earlier was a custom build.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Just wait until you see what my Philharmonic 3 look like.:D

They will be red stained mahogany veneer with the high-end high-gloss finish.:D

Delmond will sand the cabinets with his hands until the cabinets achieve that shiny plastic look - like my Salon2 and KEF Reference.:eek:

He will also make the grills for all the front drivers and for the bass ports.:eek::eek:

They will be totally decked out.:cool:
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
I think that they'd look even cooler with thin transparent water tanks as the grills (I'd say aquariums, but that would be mean to the fish :)). Of course, I'm sure someone's going to make some crack about the sound distorting as it passes through the water...and plexiglass... :D
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
I think that they'd look even cooler with thin transparent water tanks as the grills (I'd say aquariums, but that would be mean to the fish :)). Of course, I'm sure someone's going to make some crack about the sound distorting as it passes through the water...and plexiglass... :D
Sounds like it'll have great synergy with Zu Audio speakers :D :eek:
 
TheMule

TheMule

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Well I ended up getting Martin Logan's. My wife allowed me to get a taller speaker and we both loved the sound put out by these speakers. I'm ecstatic to have finally made a decision after at least a 100+ hours of research and at least 10 different speaker auditions.

I finally ended up ordering a full 5.1 setup from Martin Logan - a pair of ML electromotion ESL's for the front, the ML Motif Center, ML Depth i subwoofer, and a pair of ML electromotion FX2's to go with my Yamaha RX-A3010 receiver. My life is going to receive a major upgrade within 10 days. Woo-hoo! Thanks for the replies, PM's, and help!
 
H

Hocky

Full Audioholic
Well I ended up getting Martin Logan's. My wife allowed me to get a taller speaker and we both loved the sound put out by these speakers. I'm ecstatic to have finally made a decision after at least a 100+ hours of research and at least 10 different speaker auditions.

I finally ended up ordering a full 5.1 setup from Martin Logan - a pair of ML electromotion ESL's for the front, the ML Motif Center, ML Depth i subwoofer, and a pair of ML electromotion FX2's to go with my Yamaha RX-A3010 receiver. My life is going to receive a major upgrade within 10 days. Woo-hoo! Thanks for the replies, PM's, and help!
Congrats, you should enjoy it. Check out martinloganowners.com for set up tips. You really need to work to get the position right for the speakers to sound heir best.
 

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