Secrets reviews SVS bookshelf system

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MDS

Audioholic Spartan
Me buying the PB10-ISD is a foregone conclusion, but I would still like something a bit more room friendly (aesthetic wise) for the surrounds. I'll accept the low sensitivity as a likely non-issue but in my room square bookshelves just aren't ideal for the surrounds.

Has SVS given any thought to designing something along the lines of the wedge shape bi/dipoles that some companies are now producing? That's what I think would work best for my room. I had been looking at the Paradigms but the adp-370 is gigantic - hence I have decided not to decide for awhile and will wait to see what new speakers may arrive in the near future.

Time is of the essence. I plan to do all of my upgrades by April as a birthday gift to myself. So better get moving on that new design. :)
 
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Ron Stimpson

Manufacturer
Sheep,

There are no no-nos here (oddly enough that seems to read OK ;^).

Just enthusiasts. People sometimes forget that while we put bread on the table with SVS it's NOT "just a hobby" for us. We have to USE this stuff. And of course we're reasonably confident that if they or our subs are NOT as good as can be, or as good as we say (which is the same thing for us) then the "putting bread on the table" AND the bit about us using our own gear starts to become a bit painful.

We hate pain.

But I digress.

So far the MTS-01's are shapping up to be mid-high end "mid tower speakers" (ergo the name) though final product selection from a host of options (large free standers, or large bookshelfs that require a stand, etc etc) have not been winnowed down.

The latest back and forth I've seen had to do with picking apart (literally and figuratively) all the top drivers available on the market today, including some rather exotic things that usually you would never see in the $2,500-$3,500 price point on 5.1 systems. Tweeters are the most famous example of techno exotica (some of it quite exciting, some just plain snake oil) but even more or less established technology like mid-woofers include some genuinely facinating developments. Crossovers will get even more serious attention as we're nearly certainly driven to a 3 way design for the MTS-01 lines, center in particular. Not that we're out to complicate any product needlessly. We keep to elegant design principles wherever possible.

There of course is a LOT of BS in the mains world, just as there is in the subwoofer world, and we hope to inject some additional and always needed reality into discussions about what really is exclusive high-performance stuff and what's merely warmed over marketing hype. We're not totally alone in this as an OEM, but "reality-based" product design, pricing and marketing is still much too rare in our view in this market, and one of the reasons we felt we had to finally go into this product realm.

I won't add to our own hype though here WRT the question above. Rest assured that when there is something significant, and more or less solid (price, form factor, availability date, etc etc) the Audioholics crowd will be among the first to know. We can't come over as much as we'd like but we won't hold back either. And it's not like we're hard to find: techsupport@svsound.com or sales@svsound.com is about all you need to get our attention. Or call of course.

Actually the more we move ahead with R/D the more apparent it is that with the right supplier partnerships and with enough time/budget and research we'll still remain with or even a bit above the price/performance ratios of the best OEMs selling at any given price point. Again, as all know here, there are a lot of VERY good speakers for the money, there are quite a few vastly overpriced baubles, and some outright junk. Prices only sometimes correlate to these categories. Our goal is to price things rationally for the product niche, and to always base the product on sound science and verifiable performace.

Back to my original premise, we have to use this gear ourselves, and we rely on it to grow the company here and overseas. Anything less than products which will stand up to the best of the best is just counter-productive. Due to our direct to customer sales model however it's rarely a big issue to reach into the level of parts quality and performance (or design it from scratch) so we can achieve just that. If some objective criterion like "sensitivity" isn't class leading, it will be a conscious decision that's made with the understanding it will have little or no effect on the end-user likely to consider buying the product (as was the case with the SBS-01 package).

Not a particularly substansive answer to your question Sheep, but I figured I'd frame the background and out views on things as we do provide more here and on our News page in the near to mid-term. Quite a bit of product planning is expected to move ahead between now and the end of January so you should start to get a bit more info early next year.


Ron
SVS
 
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Ron Stimpson

Manufacturer
MDS,

We are paying attention to that request I promise. I know it's been heavily considered to do a bi- or di-pole configuration but AFAIK no decision has been made yet.

With the advent of 6.1 and 7.1 processors (and more channels a distinct possibility) my personal belief is that wide dispersion speakers are less of a draw than accurate imaging and clean dynamics (to some degree bi-pole type speakers being a legacy of the days when the entire surround channel was a single matrixed signal without very good channel separation).

I know that's far from a hard and fast rule and we're well aware many are still fans of non-direct radiating designs (and there is no shortage of OEM's supplying that demand). Rest assured it's a question that'll get an intense amount of analysis in the months to come.

Ron
SVS
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
Thanks for the reply.

If you don't know if you want a di, or bi pole speaker, you could always put in a selector switch or POT that adjusts the sound going from the sides, direct, or both.

SheepStar
 
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mulester7

mulester7

Audioholic Samurai
.....Ron Stimpson....I like the new dress at the SVS site....question....are the PB12/4's, (mini-barns), not being produced anymore?......
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
mulester7 said:
.....Ron Stimpson....I like the new dress at the SVS site....question....are the PB12/4's, (mini-barns), not being produced anymore?......
Oh yeah, I missed that..... You can't cut the mini barns!

SheepStar
 
mulester7

mulester7

Audioholic Samurai
Sheep said:
Oh yeah, I missed that..... You can't cut the mini barns!

SheepStar
.....Sheep, I have been assured plus elements can be acquired for eons to come....if PB-4's are not to be produced anymore, did the value of mine just go up with replacement elements assured?....suspect it did....that's all that's in there....speaker elements....no crossover....just a mini-barn tuned for four plus elements....yeah, I'm proud of them....I may keep running them up to 80 even with small cannons.....

.....WmAx, inputting the full-range signals into a Behringer 2496, can I output six channels this way?.....

.....channel one.....left full-range signal, bottom-cut anywhere from 150 to 200 for main....

.....channel two....right full-range signal, bottom-cut anywhere from 150-200 for main.....

.....channel three....left full-range signal, top-cut at 50-80 for mini-barn.....

.....channel four....right full-range signal, top-cut at 50-80 for mini-barn.....

.....channel five....small cannon....left full-range signal, bottom-cut at 50-80, and top-cut at 150-200.....

.....channel six....small cannon....right full-range signal, bottom-cut at 50-80, and top-cut at 150-200.....
 
WmAx

WmAx

Audioholic Samurai
mulester7 said:
.....WmAx, inputting the full-range signals into a Behringer 2496, can I output six channels this way?.....
Yes.

-Chris
 
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Ron Stimpson

Manufacturer
B12-Plus/4 should be making a comeback in 2006. The supplier for that cabinet went out of business (they made the SS too) and we've been out of it (them) for several months now.

The wait should be put to good use. Powered versions of both are in the works.

You think speakers is all we do or something?? ;^)

Ron
 

Buckle-meister

Audioholic Field Marshall
MacManNM said:
Prob for euro outlets.
Ah yes. This is probably where the confusion is coming from; Britain has differently shaped outlets than the rest of Europe even though we also are European...when we feel like it. :D

Regards
 
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korgoth

Full Audioholic
you think this system would compete or beat a full sized bic acoustitech system of the same price?
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
jetyi83 said:
you think this system would compete or beat a full sized bic acoustitech system of the same price?
Subwoofer department, yes. The bookshelfs have flat FR's so they would probly excel in music the most. The BIC system has a much higher sensitivity sooo, maybe, maybe not. I like non harsh sounding speakers. If the BIC's are harsh, I don't want them.

SheepStar
 
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