Sanyo PLV-1080HD home theatre projector NIB- $1200 should I jump on this?

sawzalot

sawzalot

Audioholic Samurai
It was late and I wasn't thinking clearly. :D

I suggest we do the Sanyo since it's very placement flexible, quiet, with no possible Rainbow Effect. Get a nice curtain for the window and you should be good to go room wise.

You can use the projector center calculator to get the appropriate starting size at least. You will need to determine a screen size before you can try out the PJ.

I suggest a few experimental trips to the movies to see what your household prefers unless you already know.

If you don't mind a higher screen you may be able to use a matching center at ear level. But don't get carried away or eye strain will get you.
why can't he just buy the projector that he feels is a good deal, 1200 lumens seems very sufficient for any night time viewing, then order his ceiling mount, hang the projector and play it on the wall to get the idea for the proper screen size. I think the whole home projector ideas get way overplanned, at 1200 dollars and whatever the ceiling mount costs one can surely get their feet wet and start the journey into that aspect of HT. I don't feel as if he needs the screen first just paint the wall one of the recommended screen colors and get started just to figure out the best size for the room then order a screen of choice, just my .02 :)
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
I was thinking that with the ceiling height I could get a center channel going at ear level.

Also with the height I thought it would open up the ability to use DLP since they tend to be less flexible in adjusting where you want the screen to throw.

I am still kind of hoping that with all the new 1080p's coming out that I could get a used Sanyo/Panasonic 720p unit for ~$600 but people still feel like asking ~$800. I was thinking this just because the 3D projectors are going to start hitting in a year or two OR I could hold on 5 years and wait out for an LED projector (assuming they hit the market in the time frame).
You can get a brand new 720p unit for 670 from the shack store with a 3 year warranty and all the trimmings. If you are ok with DLP you can find the Optoma hd65 for under 600 on ebay almost any day of the week.

I plan to buy the Sanyo PlV-z60 when the upgrade time comes. I figure with the 600 bucks I save on the 1080p I can upgrade sooner down the road.

http://www.hometheatershack.com/electronics-retailer/frontprojector-493964-B001GRL21C-Sanyo_PLV_Z60_LCD_projector_1200_ANSI_lumens_1280_x_720_widescreen.html
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
why can't he just buy the projector that he feels is a good deal, 1200 lumens seems very sufficient for any night time viewing, then order his ceiling mount, hang the projector and play it on the wall to get the idea for the proper screen size. I think the whole home projector ideas get way overplanned, at 1200 dollars and whatever the ceiling mount costs one can surely get their feet wet and start the journey into that aspect of HT. I don't feel as if he needs the screen first just paint the wall one of the recommended screen colors and get started just to figure out the best size for the room then order a screen of choice, just my .02 :)
He's got a brown wall. :D Even I am not that crazy. I also think the 670 dollar sanyo would blow his mind. I've seen 1080p tv's and they don't beat a 720p projector IMO.
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
He's got a brown wall. :D Even I am not that crazy. I also think the 670 dollar sanyo would blow his mind. I've seen 1080p tv's and they don't beat a 720p projector IMO.
Not even moved into the house yet! Jeez... I already have enlisted the wife to pick paint colors and get rid of the white ceiling.

The Sanyo projector you linked to will work.
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
Ugh, the Optoma HD65 is almost identical in price but is a DLP. Any input?

This is driving me nuts... Choices, Choices, Choices...
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
There is a guy local to me with NIB Sanyo PLV-1080HD. Should I hop on it at $1200?
Just after a 2 second google, I found vendors with similar pricing. Now, on one hand, I cannot personally vouch for any of them (though some have excellent feedback ratings), but OTOH it's not like this is once-in-a-lifetime deal. IOW, you have the freedom to keep researching.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B001GCUIK8/ref=asc_df_B001GCUIK8985557?ie=UTF8&condition=new&creative=380345&creativeASIN=B001GCUIK8&linkCode=asm&tag=cnet_mp-2604-20

Unfortunately this isn't in a basement. But most of my movie viewing will happen at night anyhow.
Is this a dedicated theater? Multipurpose? Living room?

I was thinking that with the ceiling height I could get a center channel going at ear level.
A worthy goal, but display height is something to be concerned about as well. I'll post a portion of what Midnight Sensi recently said to me, while discussing in rmk's thread.

You advised me before I mount and choose a screen size I shoot the image on the wall. That was good advice, because while I was close with the screen size, it was amazing to me how much of a difference a little height up/down made. It affects immersion, how well the sound seems to come from the screen. Too low it was a problem with your feet being in the way or looking at the floor, whereas too high some of the immersion of the image seem to be lost.

I guess before he does anything I'd recommend putting up a big white sheet and deciding where the image should be and how big. Two ladders, a rope, and cheap sheets.
I usually don't go so far as throwing up a sheet, but I always DEMAND you fire the pic up first without choosing screen yet.

I am still kind of hoping that with all the new 1080p's coming out that I could get a used Sanyo/Panasonic 720p unit for ~$600 but people still feel like asking ~$800. I was thinking this just because the 3D projectors are going to start hitting in a year or two OR I could hold on 5 years and wait out for an LED projector (assuming they hit the market in the time frame).
After a bit of reflection, I absolutely vote for 1080p as the bare minimum, today.

I can optimally place the projector anywhere from 15-20 feet back. What is going to be an optimal screen size/zoom setting?
Optimal screen size depends entirely on you. Hence, I say fire the pic first. As well as the sources you will feed it. You will then also see how display height works out with speaker height. In fact, you will most likely have to figure out a compromise that works best for you. IMO, the amount of light control of the room (yes, the walls, ceiling, and even floor) will matter more than ideal PJ placement, assuming it's not completely maxed out multiple ways.

EDIT: an anecdote. I once calibrated not noticing that my lighting was still on, dimmer set to maximum. (still pretty dark). Oops. I recalibrated after killing the lights, and the settings were extremely different. IOW, the reflected light control, and ambient control overall matter a lot. I use two large Ikea black rugs in the front to kill the white carpet's lighting. Helped tremendously.

I went gargantuan. Once in a while I second guess myself, and as you know, I see a lot of setups on forums. When this second guessing happens, I ask numerous friends/family, and the response is always the same: Are you kidding me?! Don't touch a thing! Big is best! haha.

My lower than ideal center speaker placement has been ameliorated, at least a bit, by having a decent amount of space from front wall, and signicantly treating the floor, close to the front wall boundary. About 80 lbs worth.

BTW sawazlot, I have a near impossible time believing the unit is really 1200 lumens. My guess is that it's probably not even half of that. At least when it's anywhere close to the ballpark of being calibrated. Even the light cannon BenQ W6000 is "only" +800 lumens in best mode (which normally implies high lamp as well).
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
Just after a 2 second google, I found vendors with similar pricing. Now, on one hand, I cannot personally vouch for any of them (though some have excellent feedback ratings), but OTOH it's not like this is once-in-a-lifetime deal. IOW, you have the freedom to keep researching.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B001GCUIK8/ref=asc_df_B001GCUIK8985557?ie=UTF8&condition=new&creative=380345&creativeASIN=B001GCUIK8&linkCode=asm&tag=cnet_mp-2604-20



Is this a dedicated theater? Multipurpose? Living room?
I have a separate living room. This will mainly be a dedicated theater


A worthy goal, but display height is something to be concerned about as well. I'll post a portion of what Midnight Sensi recently said to me, while discussing in rmk's thread.


I usually don't go so far as throwing up a sheet, but I always DEMAND you fire the pic up first without choosing screen yet.
I don't plan on putting anything concretely in place until I have had a chance to play around with placement. I can set the PJ on a step ladder for right now to play with height and distance.


After a bit of reflection, I absolutely vote for 1080p as the bare minimum, today.


Optimal screen size depends entirely on you. Hence, I say fire the pic first. As well as the sources you will feed it. You will then also see how display height works out with speaker height. In fact, you will most likely have to figure out a compromise that works best for you. IMO, the amount of light control of the room (yes, the walls, ceiling, and even floor) will matter more than ideal PJ placement, assuming it's not completely maxed out multiple ways.
Point taken.

I have hands on experience with the Sanyo PLV-Z4 with 105" screen and I know I will want bigger since my room will be deeper than the one I installed the z4 in. BTW the image looked stellar.
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
I just copy/pasted the Sanyo into the AVS search engine. Just about every comment is not towards the Sanyo's favor. Most will prefer either Mits or Epson to it. (No, not the 8500, but even the 6100). BTW, you'll note people are landing this Sanyo PJ as brand new for only $719. And even then are a few returning it for a different PJ.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1206721

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=17724737&postcount=7

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1204516

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1179122

EDIT: I thought this pic was interesting:

This is a good representation of what I'm seeing. The Sanyo is on the far left, and the 6100 is on the far right. The middle 3 are the over $2K units.

If the Epson looks like that in my room I should be ok with it.
WOW, compare just the two on the left. LOL.
 
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lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
I just copy/pasted the Sanyo into the AVS search engine. Just about every comment is not towards the Sanyo's favor. Most will prefer either Mits or Epson to it. (No, not the 8500, but even the 6100). BTW, you'll note people are landing this Sanyo PJ as brand new for only $719. And even then are a few returning it for a different PJ.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1206721

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=17724737&postcount=7

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1204516

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1179122

EDIT: I thought this pic was interesting:



WOW, compare just the two on the left. LOL.
Wow that seem extreme. Anyone have one of those comparisons for the sub 800 dollar PJs?
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
Wow that seem extreme. Anyone have one of those comparisons for the sub 800 dollar PJs?
Your request is difficult, because street pricing can be so different than MSRP, and then add the fact that street pricing can be all over the map. Example right here: MSRP $1,600, jinjuku finds for $1,200, I see that it sells for $719. So if I use a search function, what price am I supposed to plug in? The answer to your question is most likely no.

The easiest way to grab some comparison pics is with Feierman's reviews at projector reviews. He will be the first to say take with salt, since you are looking through a computer monitor after all.

So, I plugged in the Sanyo in question at the above recommendation, bee-lined to Image tab, and here are three starship pics (he uses this one all the time, from 5th Element). In order, the Sanyo, Epson 1080UB (which is now THREE generations old), and lastly the Mits 5500 (which IIRC is what adk highlander is using). I think Kolia is using the 6100, if anyone wants to ask him Qs. Etc. The Epson pic is out of focus, which the reviewer lets happen now and then, but he does specifically state that it does the best of the three:

The two images above, are just the kind of scene where a projector with exceptional black levels has a real advantage over one that's merely average. I do believe you can appreciate how much more dynamic the Epson looks. Below is, again, the same image from the recent review of the direct competition to the PLV-Z700, and that's Mitsubishi's HC5500 - it is a little darker than the other two, yet the Epson still has the advantage:






http://www.projectorreviews.com/sanyo/plv-z700/imagequality.php


EDIT: here are some "versus" comparisons, by written descriptions. Please note that every competitor listed is already superceded:
http://www.projectorreviews.com/sanyo/plv-z700/proscons.php
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
Did he by chance use a different camera for the shots on the Sanyo. I see more brightness and lesser blacks, but better skin tones. So much so that I'd consider the Sanyo better than the HD65 for sure. If those were the only pictures I had. There is a lot more to viewing movies than the good old black levels and the Sanyo PLV-z60 appears to be very good with most of the stuff thrown at it.

From what I can see in blacks the Optoma wins and in the light the Sanyo wins.
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
Did he by chance use a different camera for the shots on the Sanyo. I see more brightness and lesser blacks, but better skin tones. So much so that I'd consider the Sanyo better than the HD65 for sure. If those were the only pictures I had. There is a lot more to viewing movies than the good old black levels and the Sanyo PLV-z60 appears to be very good with most of the stuff thrown at it.

From what I can see in blacks the Optoma wins and in the light the Sanyo wins.
I assume he must be using the same camera, but who knows, you ought to ask him.

The important thing to note is what I said earlier: take the pics with a grain of salt. He has specifically noted that these pics are really just there to help move along the narration (because, c'mon, everyone loves pics!). Would we be nearly as interested in going to all the pages without the pics? Yeah, I didn't think so.

From my own impressions, and I've only read several of these reviews btw, is that the reviewer is like most reviewers in that he is "nice" to the product. I don't think I've ever seen him outright bash anything. Therefore, if he says, "Oh, this PJ is all-around fine, as most of your average friends who are not scrutinizing videophiles will enjoy it just fine, and so you should feel ok buying this at the price point", could almost equate to, "I think this is a total POS, and if you buy it, I will hunt you down and kill you".

Ok, I am completely exaggerating, but you get my drift. The other impression I have is that he really focuses on BEST mode, which means HIGH lamp, and none of us consumers, ok well only a tiny proportion of us consumers will use something purely at high lamp (lamp aging, noise, etc). So, he makes all sorts of comparisons between low lamp between models, then high lamp between models, then comparing low lamp on one to the high lamp on another, and yes it sometimes might be a little overwhelming.

Regardless, it's not about the pics. Videophiles will say screenshots are useless, unless it's a controlled setup (which I don't even know how to do). It's about what the reviewer actually writes in this case.

Back to the idea of BEST mode, he's looking at things as calibrated. So, while you might see a number of laymen say, "hey, this PJ is much brighter, definitely go for it!", he might have that same PJ as dimmer in his estimation (you see, some units come farther away from best-calibration than others).

As always, YMMV.
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
I assume he must be using the same camera, but who knows, you ought to ask him.

The important thing to note is what I said earlier: take the pics with a grain of salt. He has specifically noted that these pics are really just there to help move along the narration (because, c'mon, everyone loves pics!). Would we be nearly as interested in going to all the pages without the pics? Yeah, I didn't think so.

From my own impressions, and I've only read several of these reviews btw, is that the reviewer is like most reviewers in that he is "nice" to the product. I don't think I've ever seen him outright bash anything. Therefore, if he says, "Oh, this PJ is all-around fine, as most of your average friends who are not scrutinizing videophiles will enjoy it just fine, and so you should feel ok buying this at the price point", could almost equate to, "I think this is a total POS, and if you buy it, I will hunt you down and kill you".

Ok, I am completely exaggerating, but you get my drift. The other impression I have is that he really focuses on BEST mode, which means HIGH lamp, and none of us consumers, ok well only a tiny proportion of us consumers will use something purely at high lamp (lamp aging, noise, etc). So, he makes all sorts of comparisons between low lamp between models, then high lamp between models, then comparing low lamp on one to the high lamp on another, and yes it sometimes might be a little overwhelming.

Regardless, it's not about the pics. Videophiles will say screenshots are useless, unless it's a controlled setup (which I don't even know how to do). It's about what the reviewer actually writes in this case.

Back to the idea of BEST mode, he's looking at things as calibrated. So, while you might see a number of laymen say, "hey, this PJ is much brighter, definitely go for it!", he might have that same PJ as dimmer in his estimation (you see, some units come farther away from best-calibration than others).

As always, YMMV.
I'm holding off. The DIY speaker bug bit me hard again with the Anarchy coming out soon.
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
I'm holding off. The DIY speaker bug bit me hard again with the Anarchy coming out soon.
I'm thinking of visiting a supplier this afternoon. I hung out with an AV installer friends this week, and he told me they upgraded their demo PJ from a rs2 to a rs25, and that they're desperate to get rid of the rs2. They tried to sell it to my friend, basically saying name a price. I don't think it will be worth changing out my rs1 to an rs2, and I would also lose some brightness, but I think I would try 1.2k for my first offer, heh.

I want to see the RS25 in action, anyways. It's not a place for consumers (dealers only), but my friend said just to mention his name . . .

Interestingly, my friend told me that the owner of this establishment desired to get rid of the scope lens with the arrival of the PJ, which is pretty strange, because the screen is scope. I wonder what gives there . . .

EDIT: ok, I just called them, and the guy was suspicious, but warmed up quickly when I mentioned friend's name (salesman who actually installed both PJs says he went to school with my friend 20 years ago). I hope it looks good. I've got a couple hours to make it over there . . . :D
 
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jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
Only if you are certain about placement any Projector will blow you away even a good 720p one. For most of us size matters most as long as the picture is good enough.

I'd personally go for the Sanyo due to it's placement flexibility and their known high reliability. I'm probably going to get a Sanyo PLV-z60 for my next PJ. This your first PJ and you really don't know what you like until you have a chance to experiment. Do you have a white wall?

Don't get me wrong DLP looks fantastic, but it's very rigid in placement situations. Also there is the RBE.
Well it's been one of those rare situations where someone has taken your advice :eek:

I will have the PLV-z60 here on Friday. I did a good amount of reading and the color accuracy is top notch. Not a light gun by any measure but I will plan based on that.

My screen will by 96" diagonal (so 84X47) which will be fine. Just have to figure out if I am going with a gray or white screen.
 
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