Salon2 or 201/2 with dual Funk Audio 18.0 TSAD

[its phillip]

So ~5K on subs to be used to around 10 percent of their potential.. brilliant.

Sure, it might not be a logical purchase. Look at all the speakers he's got crammed in a tiny room. Not very logical either. So what?

He wants some highly capable subs in a veneer that matches some of his speakers. He can afford it, so why not? Maybe he'll get more capable speakers and a bigger house/room later. Maybe he won't. He'll probably still be happy.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

If I were a genius I wouldn't here, now would I?

And if I were brilliant or logical, I probably wouldn't have all those toys.

But I wouldn't know since I'm not brilliant.

I just know happy.

 

[Nuance AH]

What do you think about using the dual FA18.0 for both Salon & KEF using two Y-cables (2F-1M) at the subwoofer amp?

As long as I don't use both sets of speakers at the same time, it should be okay?

I don't think that's a good idea, and here is why:

Outputs are low impedance and must only be connected to high impedance inputs, so never tie two outputs directly together. If you do, then each output tries to drive the very low impedance of the other, forcing both outputs into current-limit and possible damage. As a minimum, severe signal loss results.

So in short, never use a Y-cable to combine signals; they are suppose to be used to split the signal. For example, using it at the subwoofer input on the receiver would be okay in order to split the signal into mono and utilize dual subs.

Here's a good read on the subject:
http://www.rane.com/note109.html

 

[billy p]

If I were a genius I wouldn't here, now would I?

And if I were brilliant or logical, I probably wouldn't have all those toys.

But I wouldn't know since I'm not brilliant.

I just know happy.

If I could afford the best...I'd want to own & have the best! As for the stuff I own, I'd like to think I've bought the best in which I can afford....IMO more power to you...Dude...

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I don't think that's a good idea, and here is why:

Outputs are low impedance and must only be connected to high impedance inputs, so never tie two outputs directly together. If you do, then each output tries to drive the very low impedance of the other, forcing both outputs into current-limit and possible damage. As a minimum, severe signal loss results.

So in short, never use a Y-cable to combine signals; they are suppose to be used to split the signal. For example, using it at the subwoofer input on the receiver would be okay in order to split the signal into mono and utilize dual subs.

Here's a good read on the subject:
Why Not Wye?

Yikes!

Glad I asked.

Good to know. Thanks.

My plan has always been to hopefully get a bigger house and room. Then do 6.1 HT w/ KEF 201/2s. Then, the dual FA18.0s can be better utilized.

So probably satin cherry reddish FA18s to match the six 201/2s.

 

[Irvrobinson]

So ~5K on subs to be used to around 10 percent of their potential.. brilliant.

You're just jealous you can't be this frivolous. Yet.

Your day is coming, if I'm a good predictor of anything.

BTW, are you using that monster sub of yours to more than 10% of its potential.

 

[GranteedEV]

BTW, are you using that monster sub of yours to more than 10% of its potential.

Of course not

I still think ADTG should go for the mahogany though.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Of course not

I still think ADTG should go for the mahogany though.

Salon2 mahogany x 2
Orion mahogany x 2
Phil3 mahogany x 2

201/2 cherry x 6

Is mahogany a "better" veneer than cherry?

Originally, I also think mahogany.

Then, changed my mind to cherry.

But now, I'm thinking mahogany again.

 

[DS-21]

You know my answer, both because I have a generally dim view of Rythmik and because I think the Rythmik's serious shortcomings make them a better match to the Revels, because of the Revels' bigger cone area/deeper extension.

In SPL, of course.

The TSADs with the funk audio DSP amp can probably push out around ~125db @ 1m 30hz to 100hz if I had to guess
The Revels can probably push out around ~110-112db @ 1m 60hz to 300hz
The KEFs are probably in that ~100db @ 1m range 60hz to 300hz

Total random guesses

Of course, Ref 201/2's and two TSAD18's are less imbalanced than 5" MTM towers and a Mael-X!

You're optimistic on the TSAD18 and pessimistic on the KEFs. Realistically, the pair of TSADs will be able to do cinema reference levels (115dB, remember that LFE is spec'd as 10dB hotter than the mains) a typical small room from probably the teens to 200+ Hz. The Ref 201/2's can probably do cinema reference levels from probably 60-80Hz up in a typical small room.

That gives ADTG plenty of headroom for EQ in the modal region and below. Nothing bad about that!

However, I think you do bring up a good point: I wouldn't use just two subs with Ref 201/2's. They can't go low enough with sufficient dynamics to be used without a highpass filter, as generally mains should be used. That means instead of three subs, I'd be looking to at least three and ideally four.

So how about changing things up a bit. Still cherry, but one TSAD18, one good 15" (or perhaps dual-opposed Peerless XLS12's or XXLS12's), and a compact X(X)LS12-based sub to put up high on the back wall.

All made by Nathan Funk, in matching cabinets. And all powered by his 3-channel Pascal module DSP plate amp, which would be in the TSAD18.

 

[GranteedEV]

Of course, Ref 201/2's and two TSAD18's are less imbalanced than 5" MTM towers and a Mael-X!

The EMPs are an MTMWWW. I think they use a pretty shallow slope in the bass so you've essentially got five drivers contributing in the midbass/lower midrange.

But if it matters, I've got the money for some new stereo mains and center, it's just a matter of constructing them now that winter semester ended

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Just sent Nathan the check for my dual FA-18.0 in Gloss Mahogany to match the Salon2.

Of course, I could still change my mind before Nathan does the veneer.

But my initial gut instinct was for gloss mahogany to match the Salon2. Just seems more "bad a$$" for some reasons.

Funky Salons.

 

[cpp]

Hey you had better buy all of this stuff now, cause when you retire like me, you got to be picky on what ya buy....

Stuff like, vacation homes, re-doing the landscape at the lake house take priority over SOUND and that means the WAF is now center right between the eyes.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Hey you had better buy all of this stuff now, cause when you retire like me, you got to be picky on what ya buy....

Stuff like, vacation homes, re-doing the landscape at the lake house take priority over SOUND and that means the WAF is now center right between the eyes.

Hopefully I won't have to buy anymore audio, except maybe new AVR or projectors or something simple. I hope my speakers and subs will last 50 yrs.

 

[Docks]

Do you even have enough width in this room beside all your speakers to implement this type of silliness?
Save the cash and buy some sort of room treatment + room eq.
I hope this 50 yr plan includes replacement drivers and xo's.

 

[Nuance AH]

A better room would certainly be beneficial, not to mention three rooms for each set of speakers; cramming them all in there is...well, we've been down this road.

 

[funky waves]

You're optimistic on the TSAD18 and pessimistic on the KEFs. Realistically, the pair of TSADs will be able to do cinema reference levels (115dB, remember that LFE is spec'd as 10dB hotter than the mains) a typical small room from probably the teens to 200+ Hz. The Ref 201/2's can probably do cinema reference levels from probably 60-80Hz up in a typical small room.

I don't think optimistic; A single 18.0 with the TSAD18 and 2.4Kw M2, in a 7000 cubic foot room, 9' from the sub, can do 110db@ 12hz, 118db@ 20hz and 125-130db 30hz and up(flat on axis to ~600hz).

 

[Irvrobinson]

I don't think optimistic; A single 18.0 with the TSAD18 and 2.4Kw M2, in a 7000 cubic foot room, 9' from the sub, can do 110db@ 12hz, 118db@ 20hz and 125-130db 30hz and up(flat on axis to ~600hz).

Well, ADTG, as with my sub, your 18.0s are going to be sitting there yawning at you most, if not all, of the time. The good part is that at the levels we drive our subs distortion must be vanishingly low, even at 20Hz.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Well, ADTG, as with my sub, your 18.0s are going to be sitting there yawning at you most, if not all, of the time. The good part is that at the levels we drive our subs distortion must be vanishingly low, even at 20Hz.

Yeah, I know. I think most people would laugh at us for using big subs with our Salon2.

But, gotta have subs. Huge reserve/ headroom & low THD for sure.

 

[Matt34]

Yeah, I know. I think most people would laugh at us for using big subs with our Salon2.

But, gotta have subs. Huge reserve/ headroom & low THD for sure.

ADTG, play this at reference (or above) when you get the new subs.

Amazon.com: Lights (Bassnectar Remix): Ellie Goulding: MP3 Downloads

It get's my system rocking. I have to leave the room and use my iphone to turn the volume up before the behringer amp starts to clip.

 

[ahblaza]

Just sent Nathan the check for my dual FA-18.0 in Gloss Mahogany to match the Salon2.

Of course, I could still change my mind before Nathan does the veneer.

But my initial gut instinct was for gloss mahogany to match the Salon2. Just seems more "bad a$$" for some reasons.

Funky Salons.

I'm nuts, ha ha....
Jeff