Rotel...why so retarded?

[Seth=L]

When you look at the specs under weight, and it stated heavy. I guess it is.

Photo of the back of the amp.

I have noticed this more with Denon than any other manufacturer, they nearly always blot out the the power consumption. That is currious isn't it?

 

[avaserfi]

I have noticed this more with Denon than any other manufacturer, they nearly always blot out the the power consumption. That is currious isn't it?

I think its safe to assume that beast consumes a jigawatt of energy just turning on . I thought I saw a flux capacitor in there.

 

[mazersteven]

I don't think whoever purchases that amp for the caliper speakers they most likely are powering would care less about the amount of power consumption. That would be my guess.

 

[billy p]

Yea

I don't think whoever purchases that amp for the caliper speakers they most likely are powering would care less about the amount of power consumption. That would be my guess.

that would be like a guy buying a Bently and worrying about the price of gas!

 

[mike c]

The receiver mentioned in the begining of this thread is a stereo receiver, most stereo receivers made today by any manufacturer do not have Toslink or Coaxial SPDIF connections. They are purely analog receivers.

exactly what I was gonna say when I read the first post.

 

[mike c]

Take a look at the back of Rotel's flagship surround processor, the RSP 1098, there is not ONE HDMI port! Folks, this is supposed to be high tech stuff, it even has a built in color monitor on the front. I was a fraction of an inch away from buying this unit. Based on my current (and not too distant future) AV needs, I'm very happy I didn't.

I'm not saying Rotel is crappy, I just don't understand the logic behind not offering the basic digital necessities. The Toslink is there though.

Tabcon

that's just like asking why the Yamaha Rx-v 2400 doesn't have HDMI. or why cars from the 1980's doesnt have power locks and windows. the 1098 is an old model.
you like to see a rotel with HDMI, RSX-1057. if you just plain hate rotel, you are welcome to buy denon, yamaha, or whatever.

forgive me but this thread (original post) is bordering a bit on trolling.

 

[MDS]

Who cares if the model in question is a stereo receiver? The point remains that the boutique audio manufacturers don't keep up with technology or current trends and seek to justify the omissions by claiming that they put all the money into 'better' parts that improve sound quality.

Case in point: Outlaw. Probably pretty nice receivers but they chose to use DVI instead of HDMI and justify it by saying that video features are not important. If you are the type that does keep up with the latest formats, you'd better avoid the brands that don't have the latest features you need.

Lack of current features + high price == poor value proposition, regardless of 'sound quality'.

 

[mike c]

but the OP was complaining why his STEREO receiver doesn't have optical inputs. I personally would like to find a stereo receiver with an optical input, short of getting a surround receiver to use for stereo.

 

[emorphien]

I haven't seen a stereo receiver or amp with those features but I imagine they're out there. I wouldn't complain about a stereo unit lacking those features but I agree it is a drawback with some of the boutique brands that lack some of the more advanced/modern features.

 

[fmw]

but the OP was complaining why his STEREO receiver doesn't have optical inputs. I personally would like to find a stereo receiver with an optical input, short of getting a surround receiver to use for stereo.

That would mean the receiver would have a Dolby processor or a D/A converter. i.e. it would be an AV receiver. Stereo receivers don't have those. You can buy an outboard D/A converter if you like and connect its output to any line level input. Or you can simply use the D/A converter included in the source component.

 

[mike c]

That would mean the receiver would have a Dolby processor or a D/A converter. i.e. it would be an AV receiver. Stereo receivers don't have those. You can buy an outboard D/A converter if you like and connect its output to any line level input. Or you can simply use the D/A converter included in the source component.

thank you for breaking it down. that's exactly my point. the OP is complaining why his STEREO receiver doesn't have a SURROUND processor.

 

[TABCON]

Then just move on to something else if Rotel isn't your thing.

I already did dude. Take a look at my AV components in my sig.

Again, Im not faulting Rotel, merely making an observation.

To those who think HDMI should be avoided, well, we'd still be riding horses if we did the same to the horseless carriage.

Sure, one day soon there will be more and better app's than HDMI, but for now, I for one have witnessed first hand the benefits of this connection vs. pure component. Nothing wrong with being into the purist thing, i.e. tubes and paper speaker cones. You can also go out and buy a Ford Model A any day of the week. For me, I'll take the Porsche with ABS thank you.

Tabcon

 

[TABCON]

that's just like asking why the Yamaha Rx-v 2400 doesn't have HDMI. or why cars from the 1980's doesnt have power locks and windows. the 1098 is an old model.
you like to see a rotel with HDMI, RSX-1057. if you just plain hate rotel, you are welcome to buy denon, yamaha, or whatever.

forgive me but this thread (original post) is bordering a bit on trolling.

I've been a member here for a good while now, and calling me a troll is really not fair. Just because you may not happen to agree with, or understand my point, is no reason to be snippy.

Show me anywhere in my posts that I stated I "hate" Rotel. I own 2 of their products, and I'm happy with their performance.
Sure there are better, and yes there are worse, but again, to call me a troll for making a valid observation is a bit pious on your part.

Do you sell Rotel or something...jeesh.

Tabcon

 

[Seth=L]

Who cares if the model in question is a stereo receiver? The point remains that the boutique audio manufacturers don't keep up with technology or current trends and seek to justify the omissions by claiming that they put all the money into 'better' parts that improve sound quality.

Case in point: Outlaw. Probably pretty nice receivers but they chose to use DVI instead of HDMI and justify it by saying that video features are not important. If you are the type that does keep up with the latest formats, you'd better avoid the brands that don't have the latest features you need.

Lack of current features + high price == poor value proposition, regardless of 'sound quality'.

I was under the impression that Outlaw was not doing HDMI until they felt it was going to be a mainstay.

 

[mike c]

Show me anywhere in my posts that I stated I "hate" Rotel. I own 2 of their products, and I'm happy with their performance.
Sure there are better, and yes there are worse, but again, to call me a troll for making a valid observation is a bit pious on your part.

Do you sell Rotel or something...jeesh.

I didn't say you hated rotel.

yes, you did say you owned two of their products in your first post ... before you said it didn't have features you needed.

i did not say you were a troll, I said, what you posted was "bordering on trolling". sorry, in my point of view, it still is.

no I don't sell rotel. maybe you should create a thread in the steam vent where: "...if you've got a beef about a manufacturer, or you just want to vent some audio steam... come on in..."

sorry if you thought I called you a troll.

 

[gene]

I have noticed this more with Denon than any other manufacturer, they nearly always blot out the the power consumption. That is currious isn't it?

Yes shame on them for not finishing the silk screen masks on preproduction units

 

[TABCON]

I didn't say you hated rotel.

if you just plain hate rotel...

i did not say you were a troll, I said, what you posted was "bordering on trolling". sorry, in my point of view, it still is.

Again with the semantics, LOL!. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, and I do certainly respect it. I'm sure you've forgotten more about AV stuff than I'll ever know.

I believe you misconstrued my curiosity for contempt. Not the case, not at all. Sorry if it appeared so. I have no "beef" with anyone, especially Rotel. Hey, I like my Rotel's.

When I bought the Rotel equipment I was an utter neophyte (still am in many regards) in search of a simple stereo receiver to play music throughout my home. It worked beautifully and it still does. As a matter of fact, I just set up an exterior zone for our patio area. It works great, but I think the Niles rock speakers (that went through Hurricane Katrina) are worn out. I get absolutely no mids or high's. Hmmmm...maybe it was the 150 mph winds...lol. I was thinking about some of the 8" Paradigm rock's and would appreciate any input you may have about those.

I come here because you guys are my ultimate source for "real" AV advice, not some salesman's pitch. If my thread came off as anything other than what I intended, a simple topic about a novices curiosity, than I apologize.

I've learned a great deal since I bought the Rotel equipment. Would I buy more, probably not, but I still think that overall, it represents a great deal for the money.

Tabcon

 

[Seth=L]

Yes shame on them for not finishing the silk screen masks on preproduction units

Not just pre production units. Most of their pictured receivers on their site are also blocked out or just not their. I suppose those could be pictures of the pre production units but most other manufacturers have it on their pictures.

 

[gene]

Not just pre production units. Most of their pictured receivers on their site are also blocked out or just not their. I suppose those could be pictures of the pre production units but most other manufacturers have it on their pictures.

Every Denon amp/receiver I ever reviewed list a Max Power Consumption as AMPS. For example, the 5805 says "Max Power Consumption 13 amps". If you multiply that by 120V it equals 1,560 watts.

I prefer this rating as opposed to "Power Consumption in watts" that most receiver companies give as they rarely are rated at max but instead rated per UL/CSA of 1 or 2 channels driven at 1/8th power.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

No HDMI, no toslink...not even a digital coax connection. Tabcon

Now, now. My Acurus system doesn't have any digital inputs either, and I think it sounds great. Both my Blu-ray and HDDVD are hooked to my HDTV via HDMI for picture. I don't really see the need for more digital signals. The DACs and DD/DTS processors in these high-dollar Blu-ray and HDDVD players are probably just as good as any external.