Rockets versus B&W's

[AnotherGeorgeM]

Yes, but the Genisis I am speaking of made "lifetime warranty tweeters". I think this was the reason they went bankrupt.

Hi zumbo, I did a google on "Genisis" and sure enough there were speakers called "Genisis". However the speakers by Arnie Nudell (previous owner of Infinity) that were mentioned was spelled "Genesis" with an "e".

Here's their website:

http://www.genesisloudspeakers.com/

Here's a direct link to their products:

http://www.genesisloudspeakers.com/products.html

 

[craigsub]

A LONG time ago...

Back in the late 70's and early 80's, there was the Genesis Physics Co. ... they made the speakers with the lifetime warranty... those tweeters were ALWAYS blowing.

I sold them as part of my sales job while attending university. We replaced the tweeters on the spot, and Genesis sent us tweeters in 24 to the box cases.

All their designs were ported or Passive Radiator ... not bad sounding, either.

 

[Nomo]

Well, after viewing this thread for WAY too long I can only say two things:

1) I've never heard Rocket speakers. Barely heard of them.

2) I'll never go out of my to hear them or even consider buying them.

The emergence of so many newbies in the course of this thread is way beyond coincidental.

"Gentlemen" your tactics are nothing short of Monster Cable-ish.

 

[craigsub]

Ok

NomoSony ... Being a Newbie to a particular forum does NOT make one a Newbie to audio. I have been an avid audiophile for almost 30 years, and an active participant in other forums ...

I learned about a totally untrue hatchet job being done to AV123 by a member of that forum who linked to here.

The presense of the "newbies" here is not coincidental. Nor is it some form of conspiracy. You have one Audes, one Axiom, and one Rocket/Axiom/Ascend/ACI/McIntosh/Denon owner (yours truly) that have decided the NONSENSE that was being posted ABOUT and AGAINST AV123 should NOT go unchallenged.

Of course, If you think outright lies are a GOOD thing ... then side with FurryCute and his sidekicks here.

I have seen this type of rubbish said about Hsu, Axiom, Ascend, and SVS ... and also Klipsch and Paradigm.

I don't care WHO the company is ... when some AGENDA PUSHING "gentleman" slams ANY credible company, and I know about it, I will defend that company.

It is called being decent.

 

[Nomo]

Your message has too much bass and not nearly enough sound stage.

 

[craigsub]

And You ...

Your message has too much bass and not nearly enough sound stage.

Are another example of an individual lacking the intelligence for reasonable conversation and/or debate.

For the record, I expect the word "sucks" from my 8 year old if he loses his temper. HE also gets sent to his room.

 

[Fb111794]

Well, after viewing this thread for WAY too long I can only say two things:

1) I've never heard Rocket speakers. Barely heard of them.

2) I'll never go out of my to hear them or even consider buying them.

The emergence of so many newbies in the course of this thread is way beyond coincidental.

"Gentlemen" your tactics are nothing short of Monster Cable-ish.

Yeah.... NS, I can certainly see your point. I suppose it would look that way. It is unfortunate that it would come to something like this. There is however, a real sense of family over in the AV123 community. Maybe it's because the owner of the company himself interacts with the folks who post there. He even, like I mentioned, posts his personal cell phone number on a regular basis for anyone who feels the need to call him personally. You just can't find something like that many other places.

It's funny in a way.... I find myself often "sticking up" for AV123 when I don't even own Rockets. Well, that's not true.... I do own a set of the little HTIB TYKES that my girls have in their HT system. Still though, I have been befriended by Mark Schifter and am on a first name basis with him. I am treated with the utmost respect over there even though most everyone there knows I'm a HUGE AUDES fan AND owner.

What gets under my skin more than anything else.... is when all of the half truths and down right un truths start spewing from those who, for whatever reason, have it "in" for this company and brands. That just doesn't sit well with me and I say so. It's just my opinion.... nothing else and should be taken as just that.

I certainly respect ones right to have an opinion (positive OR negative) about a product or company. There's nothing at all wrong with that. What IS wrong.... is someone with an agenda that starts making "statements as facts" that are simply un true. THAT'S when I speak my mind.

Sorry if I have come across as anything other than thoughtfull and even handed in my reply's. I hope I am still welcome here. It seems like a nice place.

John W.
Indy

 

[zumbo]

Hi zumbo, I did a google on "Genisis" and sure enough there were speakers called "Genisis". However the speakers by Arnie Nudell (previous owner of Infinity) that were mentioned was spelled "Genesis" with an "e".

Here's their website:

http://www.genesisloudspeakers.com/

Here's a direct link to their products:

http://www.genesisloudspeakers.com/products.html

Thanks for the spelling lesson. It was a mistake. Genesis is what I meant. How does that Google thing work?

 

[Ross]

I never thought I'd see the day, the day that Team Rocket went into a complete meltdown.

I guess what they say it true, if you give someone enough rope, they will end up hanging themselves...

crank up your rockets, and relax fellas...

best,
Ross.

 

[zumbo]

Back in the late 70's and early 80's, there was the Genesis Physics Co. ... they made the speakers with the lifetime warranty... those tweeters were ALWAYS blowing.

I sold them as part of my sales job while attending university. We replaced the tweeters on the spot, and Genesis sent us tweeters in 24 to the box cases.

All their designs were ported or Passive Radiator ... not bad sounding, either.

That's the ones. They sounded sweet. But not much for reliability.

 

[craigsub]

Yep...

I never thought I'd see the day, the day that Team Rocket went into a complete meltdown.

I guess what they say it true, if you give someone enough rope, they will end up hanging themselves...

crank up your rockets, and relax fellas...

best,
Ross.

1. You make accusations without evidence.
2. When asked for the evidence, you tell person to find it for himself.
3. Then call persons who ask for evidence a "team".
4. Never prove one accusation.
5. Then pretend you have the high ground.

I am quite relaxed. Thanks for the advice, though.

 

[craigsub]

Heh heh ...

That's the ones. They sounded sweet. But not much for reliability.

That is an understatement. Hey... at least the woofers lasted.

We also started to charge habitual tweeter destroyers $10 for the labor required. It was our Monday Night Football Beer and Wings Fund ...

 

[TinHere]

The emergence of so many newbies in the course of this thread is way beyond coincidental.
"Gentlemen" your tactics are nothing short of Monster Cable-ish.

AV123 has earned a respect that will see false allegations challenged. I didn't post about this thread because I felt I needed help but just to inform the community of what was transpiring. Questions I asked here are still unanswered, and no proof of any wrongdoing has been shown. Yet, the negative comments continue. A new thread has been started. Yeah, the people that are defending the Rocket's are really looking to stir things up. FC's and a few others actions are to say the least goading.

Team Rocket.....Anyone wanna buy a t-shirt?

How about one that says....The Truth Doesn't Matter Because I Know You

 

[T-Bone]

Meltdown? Really?

I never thought I'd see the day, the day that Team Rocket went into a complete meltdown.

I guess what they say it true, if you give someone enough rope, they will end up hanging themselves...

crank up your rockets, and relax fellas...

best,
Ross.

Tell you what... either you or furrycute go over to AVSForum an bash any speaker brand/company, other than Onix/Rockets, that you want to. Go ahead... And if you receive a slew of responses defending that bashed speaker/company (just like this thread received), then we will have learned something: audio enthusiasts will come to the defense if they feel the bashing is unwarranted. It is that simple.

 

[VS540]

Here are some links that I guess "prove" what poor quality products come from av123.

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_11_4/onix-reference-3-speakers-11-2004.html

http://www.goodsound.com/equipment/rocket_ufw_10.htm

http://www.audiorevolution.com/equip/rocket_speakers/index.html

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_10_3/onix-rocket-speakers-8-
2003.html

http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue15/onix.htm

http://www.hometheatersound.com/equipment/rocket_elt.htm

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_11_2/onix-reference-speakers-5-2004.html

http://www.av123.com/images_dynamic/news/SterophileRev-Jan2001.pdf

I also assume when reviews from Stereophile, Ultimate AV and other magazines start coming out that will only be because "Team Rocket" bought them off?

You people need to show a little maturity and act like adults instead of school yard bullies. You can sit there and make all the false claims, and make up all the lies you want. You only prove what "quality" people you really are not only on this forum but in person as well.

 

[Rob Babcock]

I think enough has been said on this topic.

 

[Audioholics]

Everyone is getting too flamed about this. The point is not that the Rockets are not good. The point is, as far as my posting, that they can NOT compare to B&W 703's. NO HOW, NO WAY! PERIOD!

Let's keep this civil. For everyone: try not to compare your opinion to an objective fact. If you post measurements that's one thing, but this is starting to go down the tube fast...

As for the other accusations. We've learned (the hard way) not to post or write anything you can't prove (regarding accusations). Try to live by this principle on the forums please... You can find conspiracy in anything if you look hard enough. Trouble is - it's usually not there.