Right To Bear Arms?

[gmichael]

Okay...okay. Here's a little lovin' for everybody (but especially Adam, who is one of the few single guys I know).

Grandma? Is that you?

 

[jinjuku]

Okay...okay. Here's a little lovin' for everybody (but especially Adam, who is one of the few single guys I know).

It would only work for Adam if that's a dude. A cross dressing dude.

 

[Adam]

It would only work for Adam if that's a dude. A cross dressing dude.

I can't believe that a mod would be so insulting to a fellow AH'er.



BTW, isn't that a dude?

 

[markw]

Actually, it looks a bit like "predator"

 

[CraigV]

I thought it was speakerman’s ex-wife

 

[highfigh]

The biggest problem I have with what's happening now is that, if you read about all of the worst activist troublemakers from the late '50s and into the '70s, THEY'RE IN OUR GOVERNMENT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

They can now do exactly what they always thought should have been done and we are screwed until they're gone.

 

[ragged]

Well as long as we can still own guns, how bout posting what you own?

I'm waiting for this to be released in a .40.
http://www.hk-usa.com/p30_general.asp

 

[Tarub]

http://www.max71.com/

Buy a truck to this dealership and you get a free AK-47 assault rifle.

 

[Wafflesomd]

I'd buy from him.

 

[Audioholics]

I sure hope the Supreme Court bans spam soon, too - I'd like to see that go and as soon as they pass a law I know that it will all just disappear from sight. Our government is so thoughtful and efficient, I pretty much support anything they say cause they always think through the consequences of their decisions and work through all the details of what it means.

 

[ragged]

Just watched the 2nd link posted above. "The only 911 call I need is to chamber a round" Gotta love that.

 

[ragged]

Senate to vote on concealed weapons today.

The gun proposal would make concealed weapons permits from one state valid in other states as long as the person obeys the laws of other states, such as weapons bans in certain localities. It does not establish national standards for concealed weapons permits and would not allow those with permits to carry weapons into Wisconsin and Illinois, the two states that do not have concealed weapons laws.

 

[highfigh]

Well, the fathers should have spelled it out much better, not left it up to wondering what they really meant or what it does mean after 200 years. If individuals have an inalieable right to arms, why even bring in the word 'militia?'And, perhaps spell out the limits of kinds of arms? But that could not have been possible then, although they could have said no cannons.

The main reason they wanted to protect our right to bear arms wasn't because they knew people would be such idiots, popping caps in each others' butts and holding it sideways. They couldn't have had any way to see how many people would resort to crime and they certainly wouldn't have approved of the Welfare State we have become. It was so we could protect ourselves from a government that has gone crazy with controlling us. The Colonists didn't have a standing army when they started The Revolution, they had to start by forming militias and if needed, that's how The People would need to start if another revolution should arise. Granted, if enough people were in favor of revolting and, knowing how easy it is to communicate across wide areas (until the seated government takes control of all communications channels), a large militia could form pretty quickly. Once the internet, radio, TV and other electronic communications have been disrupted, it would be back to written or spoken instructions, delivered in any way available. A government with the kinds of weapons that the US has would have a battle on their hands being outnumbered as they would be, due to the stockpiles of weapons in the hands of The People. I have to think that if our government declared Martial Law because some members want to take complete control, not everyone on the military would just take their orders and go along.

 

[highfigh]

Senate to vote on concealed weapons today.

The gun proposal would make concealed weapons permits from one state valid in other states as long as the person obeys the laws of other states, such as weapons bans in certain localities. It does not establish national standards for concealed weapons permits and would not allow those with permits to carry weapons into Wisconsin and Illinois, the two states that do not have concealed weapons laws.

I read that. Two of the states mentioned by those who oppose this were TX and AK. TX because they allow CC permits for people with convictions WRT alcohol abuse and AK because they allow CC permits for people who have violent misdemeanor raps. AK is about as close as the US comes to the old Wild West, even now, so I can definitely understand wanting to be able to carry. AFAIK, TX has less gun violence than WI and we don't have a CC law. Two more were killed last night here in Milwaukee, with at least one other having been shot (the brother of one who was killed). One was being held up and when he tried to escape after telling the shooter that he didn't have any money, he was shot, anyway and the other two were sitting in a car, allegedly waiting to do a drug deal. Both in bad areas of the city, which has done next to absolutely nothing to curb this kind of thing.

I also saw that about 44 murders were committed by people with CC permits last year. That's a spit in the ocean compared with the number committed by felons on possession and others who don't have a permit.

 

[markw]

Now if they could only control the real criminals who use unregistered firearms to commit crimes we might have something.

I believe very few crimes are committed by legally registered guns handled by their law abiding owners.

IMNSHO, people that fire guns in committing crimes should have them used on them... once and finally.

 

[highfigh]

Yeah, it's them, getting their guns from people who have the right to hunt deer with AR15s (as if that's necessary or makes sense). We put drug addicts AND their dealers in jail. We jail the murders who illegally possess and use the guns, but we don't touch the dealers who illegally sold them? Logic is lost when it comes to our "rights" apparently. As Nino Brown said in New Jack City, "Ain't no uzis made in Harlem. Not one of us in here owns a poppy field."

One thing about gun control, using the "We need much more stringent background checks and stiffer penalties for people who sell guns to those who don't qualify", people in ghettos, gang-bangers, drug dealers and general dirtballs don't need to go to a gun store for a gun, They can tell someone that they need a gun and with a few calls and some cash changing hands, they soon have one. Gun dealers who sell guns to felons, don't do their due diligence in background checks, etc should lose their license sooner, rather than later. Here in Milwaukee, we have a store that is one of the national leaders in selling guns used in felonies. Before they reached the top, another dealer here held that place. Both slacked off because they made more money selling more guns. Same motivation as most other immoral/amoral decisions.

I want much harsher penalties for people who use guns committing crimes, ANY crimes. I'm sick of seeing those douchebags getting out of prison and killing someone literally three hours later (an actual case here). Someone I grew up with was killed by one of his employees and I still haven't heard the results of that one. Pat wouldn't have hurt anyone and for giving someone an opportunity, he was shot and killed.

People suck.

 

[highfigh]

Now if they could only control the real criminals who use unregistered firearms to commit crimes we might have something.

I believe very few crimes are committed by legally registered guns handled by their law abiding owners.

IMNSHO, people that fire guns in committing crimes should have them used on them... once and finally.

The dealers I mentioned have a long track record of selling to people who buy the guns specifically so they can sell it to someone else. I went to the one that's still open last year, mainly because I didn't know they were still doing what made them infamous. A guy was hemming and hawing about which gun he wanted and was asking if he could take the application home so him mom could fill it out and that tells me that unless the dealer witnesses the signing, it wasn't going to be valid. Once the guy behind the counter told him that she would have to came in to sign it, the potential buyer asked if he could use a credit card. The guy behind the counter told him "You could use a library card if I got money out of it".

Everyone wants money and they don't give a rat's *** about doing the right thing.