Receiver: Kenwood VR-806

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marv117

Audioholic Intern
Kenwood Receiver: Keep or Exchange?

Hi everyone. New member here and definitely a newbie with A/V stuff.
Just bought my very first home theater system.

Kenwood VR-806-S
Infinity Primus 150 (2x)

This is my very first system and I will expand in the future. I currently live in an apartment and for now this will suffice.

I've searched your forums on Kenwood and there aren't too many info on them and the ones I found did not really said anything positive.

I bought this receiver from Electronics-Expo for $187, last Saturday. I have 14days to return/exchange.

Here's the link of the receiver with specs:
http://www.electronics-expo.com/product.jsp?x=VR806-S&webcategory=null&submenu=null

It seems to be performing well, but I really don't have anything to compare them with.

As for my speakers, I've read great things about them and they sound great. Very crisp, and I hear things in movies that I have not heard before!

My concern now is the reliability of the Kenwood receiver. Will the amp die out on me before my 1yr warranty expire? Or will will it last a long time? Or should I just return it and get something else?

I am such in a tight budget! Under $200 please. There is a yamaha receiver for under $200 but it's only 5.1 Channel. Any big difference in 6.1 vs 5.1?

Your comments suggestions greatly appreciated.
 
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nm2285

Senior Audioholic
Because of the price range, I'm sure the Kenwood will be fine. If you could spend a little more, I'd say move up to something else. However, since you can't, maybe look at Onkyo? Otherwise it should serve you well for a few years until you're ready to upgrade.
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
I agree. At that price range your options are limited.

Unless Karnak the Magnificant chimes in from the great beyond any speculation on the reliability of your gear would be either sheer guesswork or wishful thinking.

What other choices are available to you in your price range? At least give us that much to work with. Maybe then some more specific answers might be possible.

Besides, your choice of speakers and sub will have more effect on the overall sound of the system anyway.

P.S... I see you're from Jersey. You poor bastard :rolleyes:
So am I. :D We all have our problems

Seriously, we live in a great market for audio. You can score some great stuff if you get the Sunday papers and have patience.

1) Have your cash ready or be prepared to charge your purchase.

2) Have a pretty good idea of what brands/features you want and/or need. Be somewhat flexible as far as exact make/models go.

2.5) If you can live with last years model, termendous savings can be had,

3) Scour the Sunday paper flyers for the Big Box ads. Circuit City, Best Buy but in particular those from 6th avenue and Expo.

(I much prefer 6th ave for a variety of reasons. Every week 6th Ave offers some spotlight sales, generally Yamaha and Pioneer but sometimes other brands where they will have some $200 and under units for sale, sometimes with limited quantities. Expo is pretty new and I find them to be a cheap imitation of 6th Ave but with a much, much smaller selection.)

4) This is where the patience comes in. The ads generally repeat every few weeks. If something catches your eye this week, jump on it. If not, put your money back in your pockets and check every week for something new.

It'll happen eventually. Trust me on this.

(For instance, 6th Ave has this week an Onkyo TXLR552 6 channel receiver for $198, a claimed savings of $201 they say. Personally, I'd go for that over that Kenwood any day ...and twice on Sunday)

Using this method, particularly # 2.5, I was able to score, NIB a Denon 2802 for half price when they came out with the 2803 and a Velodyne 1210 for $300. All it takes is patience and planning.

As far as that sixth speaker goes, think realisticly. Unless you can put a speaker directly behind you, 5.1 is a very satisfying option. I have a 6.1 receiver and can't properly place the sixth speaker so I'm running (quite happily, thank you) in a 5.1 configuration. And, there are not really a lot of 6.1 movies out there. So, to put it simply, effens I were you, I would have gone for the 5.1 Yammie. Yammies have a reputation for being pretty bulletproof and since reliability seems to be a concern, well.

YMMV
 
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anamorphic96

anamorphic96

Audioholic General
Not to put a damper on things. But the Kenwood consumer electronis division is not in business anymore. Not sure if this will effect the warranty or not. Thought you should know in case you decide on something else.
 
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marv117

Audioholic Intern
Thanks for the reply guys! Especially to the long reply from my fellow New Jersey'ian, MarkW.

Unfortunately, my limit for my receiver is $200...maybe I can convince the wifey to bump it up to $250? :D

As for the 6.1 vs 5.1, I was thinking the same thing! I am pretty sure 5.1 system will suffice especially for home use! Thanks for confirming that!

I'm looking at the Onkyo receivers at 6ave.com
Onkyo TXSR502S(75 W/channel) for $246
ONKYO TXLR552(65 W/channel) for $198

Am I losing any sound quality with my speakers which can max to 100W, by using a receiver that can only give out 75W? Is there a big difference in sound quality when you lose 25W?

I am also planning, in the future, to buy a nice subwoofer...preferable those cylinder types from SVS! :D
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
You don't lose anything.

That number is just an approximate number that people like to hear. It's like a car. Just because it can go 140 mph doesn't mean you have to drive it at 140 mph.

And, to confuse you a little more, just because they say they can take that much, they generally play quite loudly with much, much less power and can generally handle much, much more power as long as you remember audio rule # 1, which is:

If it starts to sound bad, turn it down NOW!

FWIW, audio rule # 2 is :

When kerfutzing with connections, particularly speaker wires, always turn everything off. Not down... off.
 
Buckeyefan 1

Buckeyefan 1

Audioholic Ninja
IMO Yamaha, Denon, Pioneer and Harman Kardon over Onkyo, Onkyo over JVC, JVC over Kenwood. I'd swap the Kenwood with a $250 reciever. That extra $50 will go a long ways. Get a 6.1 receiver just in case. DTS 6.1 is awesome, and if you're into movies, you won't be sorry. Like Mark said, pay attention to the Sunday ads. Pull up www.jr.com on tues. and friday for their big sales. Check out www.ubid.com - they always have deals on receivers. Use yahoo shopping and shopzilla.com for price comparisons. Entry level surround receivers are everywhere, but there are only a handful that are worth anything. I'd recommend a 1 or 2 yr old Harman Kardon over a Yamaha or Denon. The lower lines of these tend to be overly bright, but the HK's are made solid down to their entry level model. They are pricey, but worth every penny.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=39794&item=5770495731

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=39794&item=5770261958

Check out the price on the Kenwood 806 here!

http://www.ubid.com/cat/get_cat_page.asp?CatID=3871&PgNum=1
 
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marv117

Audioholic Intern
I'll make sure to follow those Rules, mark! :p

It looks like I'll be returning my Kenwood receiver to electronicsexpo and going straight to 6ave, this saturday and get the Onkyo TXSR502S for $250.

Another good pointer for the wifey is that not only is it a better quality receiver it also has 2yr warranty! Unlike the 1yr warranty of the kenwood.

Thanks also for the other suggestions Buckeye but I prefer going to a local store and pick it up than getting it online.

Thanks!

I hope the Onkyo TXSR502S is a good choice! ;)
 
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marv117

Audioholic Intern
I originally from monmouth county(good old jersey shore!), but recently moved to middlesex county.

I miss the jersey shore though...a lot less crowded, less traffic, and less polution. :p
 
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marv117

Audioholic Intern
BTW, how can 6ave or elect-expo get their prices so much cheaper than other stores like bestbuy or circuitcity?

The ones from 6ave and EE aren't refurbs are they?
 
annunaki

annunaki

Moderator
That Kenwood is a decent, reliable receiver for the money. It does lack in flexibilty (bass management, input assignment), and remote control (not the easiest to come to grips with), but it works well for beginners. The Denon AVR-485S is a great entry level receiver for $299 (Auth. Dealer Price, 2 yr. warranty) if you can swing it.
 
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marv117

Audioholic Intern
Wow, that denon looks nice too.

But I think that's gonna be a hard one to pull through since I'm already breaking my limit with the Onkyo. :(
 
anamorphic96

anamorphic96

Audioholic General
Could you wait a month or so and save a 100.00 for the Denon.

Just a thought. :)
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
... but a good thought.

anamorphic96 said:
Could you wait a month or so and save a 100.00 for the Denon.

Just a thought. :)
Let the little lady read this thread. Mebbbe that will help? I DO like my Denon.

Dunno about how they get their pricing but retail elecronics is like the wild west. Just get the best price for a piece of gear from an authorized dealer and say "thank you".

No refurbs at 6th Ave that I've ever heard of. 6th Ave does have "open box" sales periodicaly. Good prices on demo gear. In fact, they just had one a week or so ago.

I would hope Expo would not sell refurbs w/o telling you but they are too new to tell. I'd give 'em the benefit of a doubt though. A Brick & Mortar store can't get away with doing that for too long. Net dealers, well.....
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
They are good, too.

When it comes to the biggies (Yamaha, Denon, HK & Marantz) it's mostly a matter of feature preference as opposed to "better" in the sound/performance/reliability area.

IOW, any of those will be pretty much equal, sound wise, within their respective price class. It's kinda like the Ford/Chevy/Mopar discussions I lived with in high school in the 60's. In the end, they are all really pretty close and it boiled down to a preference.

Or, look at it this way... You've got three equally beautiful women chasing after you. All have sweet personalities, are rich and think you are the greatest thing since sliced bread. One is a brunette, one is a brunette and the other is a blonde (please, no blonde jokes. Save that for another thread). Which would you pick? ...and why? Actually, that's a kind of a trick question. If you know what's best for you, you'll say "I would take my wife above them all", but you get my drift. ;)

Remember in my first long winded post? Somewhere in that diatribe (# 2) I said something along the lines of "be flexable"? Check it out. Had a great deal popped up where I could have bought an $800 Yammie or Marantz or HK for $395 before my 2802 appeared for that price, I'd have a Yammie or a Marantz or a HK. ...and probably be loving that, too.

Remember, it's mostly the source software, the speakers and the room that determine the quality of the sound.
 
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Buckeyefan 1

Buckeyefan 1

Audioholic Ninja
Marv,

I'm surprised you haven't look at the HK's. Have you literally picked up a Harman Kardon AVR135 versus an entry level Onyko or Yamaha to compare weight? Your jaw will drop. Check out the 130, 230, 135 or 235 HK's IF it's in the budget. If not, I like the Yamaha any day over the Onkyo. Harman Kardon has an outlet store on ebay that sells their units at good prices.
 
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