Rear Speaker hight

[j_garcia]

Sheesh. The (difference in) phase is what creates the nulls.
Includes animation so that even the kids can be entertained while they (hopefully) learn something

So, you are arguing that there ARE nulls??? WTH? The speakers are intended to be placed along side the listening area so that the listener hears the reflected sounds, not the directly radiated ones, AKA, the listener does not sit inline with the drivers, or the "null" area of the speaker's direct radiating pattern. Note too that if you don't have two side walls or a near back wall, then this effect won't really work quite as intended.

 

[yepimonfire]

There's no arguing with what you like. If it sounds good to you, go with it I was moving things around this weekend and put the mains on my rack. It sounded like crap - congested and one note. When I put them back at 8ft apart they were happy again. My speakers have good off axis performance, but the "ideal" sweet spot is still pretty narrow.

yea, that's exactly what i was talking about, the speakers i use as surrounds don't have very good off axis response, so by toeing them in a bit they sound better, of course they are not directly pointed at me, but rather then them being pointed directly left and right they are slightly pointed in towards the listening area. i also find this makes for a better phantom rear image.

 

[AJinFLA]

With bipoles, the listener is supposed to sit in the null area of the speaker so you hear the reflected sounds.

From the linked article

DIPOLAR & BIPOLAR SURROUND SPEAKERS SETUP

Dipole speakers are designed to have a null area in front of them and the listener is intended to sit within that null for the proper ambient effect. When you sit in the null area, you will get a diffuse sound that is more appropriate for surround speakers. Bipole speakers, on the other hand, have no null area, and are much more flexible in their placement. They can be installed on the side walls or on the back wall with excellent results.

So, you are arguing that there ARE nulls???

Not "arguing", because that implies two sides with an argument.
I am stating physical facts, that have no regard for your misinformed and confused state. The facts remain the same.
There is no side "null" with the bipole. There is a side null with the dipole, as there is a null in your ability to comprehend the valid information and animations in the link.
Any off axis lobing with the bipole will be similar to the type of off axis lobing one has with a monopole with multiple drivers, that are correlated at some frequencies and decorrelated at others.

 

[j_garcia]

I stand corrected about the radiation pattern, however that doesn't change the fact that I have yet to hear a system that incorporated them that sounded better to me than a monopole setup. It also doesn't change the fact that you are an @sshole.

 

[AJinFLA]

I stand corrected about the radiation pattern, however that doesn't change the fact that I have yet to hear a system that incorporated them that sounded better to me than a monopole setup. It also doesn't change the fact that you are an @sshole.

Thanks. You're welcome.

 

[chkngreez]

By reading this thread, I have learned a few things. Mainly though, I just learned that you guys LOVE to argue. Anyway, my surrounds are more or less directly on either side of the listening position, directly facing the listening position. The rear surrounds are directly behind my head (3 feet or so), facing the back of my head. That being said, with a little tweaking on my receiver the surround effect I get out of them is great. Well, great depending on which codec the receiver is using, but really for movies these surrounds are only designed for ambient sound anyway. I'm not trying to say anyone here is wrong or stupid, but aren't like the last two pages of this thread moot point after another? IMO just move the speakers around a bit until you find a sound that suits you, then go with it. There is no right or wrong, only what sounds good to you.

 

[yepimonfire]

I stand corrected about the radiation pattern, however that doesn't change the fact that I have yet to hear a system that incorporated them that sounded better to me than a monopole setup. It also doesn't change the fact that you are an @sshole.

me either, they sound really cool for stuff like wind rain etc, but when things like cars or other non-ambiance sound comes through it sounds distorted, also many of them rely on room reflections, which can be random at best. to get an ultra wide surround setup, i've done what the theaters do before, hook up multiple surround speakers rather then just one pair. this also help eliminate the "good seats" for surround.

By reading this thread, I have learned a few things. Mainly though, I just learned that you guys LOVE to argue.

actually, it's only a few people on here that argue, and it's pretty rare that a thread turns into an argument, unfortunately i used to be one of those people who argued alot, you just have to learn to sit back and listen to what others say who have more knowledge then you. sometimes people are wrong sometimes they aren't, but things can be handled without an argument.

 

[Fowl]

And out of this I got my answer, put the rear surrounds where they sound best to me.

 

[GlocksRock]

The surrounds will likely sound better if they are mounted 2 - 4 feet above ear level which is how my side surrounds are, but my rear surrounds are tower speakers since I have a half wall behind me in my main system. It sounds good, but would likely sound better if they could be elevated. I'm using bipolar towers for my surround back speakers, but they are pointed at me, I guess I should aim them away from me to see if it sounds any better, but it still sounds good as it is now. But yet, you should just place them where they sound best to you.

 

[chkngreez]

And out of this I got my answer, put the rear surrounds where they sound best to me.

Very good, grasshopper. Sometimes you just gotta cut through all the b/s.

 

[tonedeaf]

Welllll,.....that opened a can of worms
I will continue the thread as long as we can all be civil,after all,its about entertainment.
I have the option of mounting flush on the wall,3 ft above listening level approx. 9 ft apart,or buy swivel mounts.That would include both side and back surrounds.
From what I've gathered from the thread is,"whatever floats your boat".
I have them on stands right now,angled directly at the listening position and have a hard time hearing them.
I will raise and flush mount and see if that changes things.
Thanks for the all informational replies.
Regards,Len
P.S.Wife thinks a subwoofer is a dog enlisted in the Navy.

 

[tcarcio]

Well you need worms if your going to fish... I like to call it aggressive discussion. People get passionate about all things audio and that makes for a great amount of people with different idea's that are not alway's based on whats written but whats tried. I am one of those who doesn't like to go by the book all the time. Experimenting with these things, to me, is the fun of the hobby.