Really Boring Stuff Only III: Resurrection

[Adam]

Where is your electric panel? Why would wires run through the attic? You could put the water heater next to the panel and run pex to the water hot and cold, pex is much cheaper than cable...

Pictures are worth a thousand words, but...it's dark outside and I'm too lazy to draw a diagram. So, let me try to paint a picture with my words.

I live in a single story house with no basement. Looking at my house from the street, power runs to the right side of the house, and water runs to the left side. My kitchen is in the front on my house on the right, and the electrical box is on the outside of one of my kitchen walls. My garage is on the left side in the front, and the water heater is located against the left wall of the house but inside the garage. So, the water heater and electrical box are about as far apart (relative to the width of my house) as they could be. If you were able to walk from the electrical box to the water heater, you'd walk through my kitchen, a hallway (from the front door), and the garage. But, you can't go that easily in the attic because the front face of my house isn't a straight wall, nor is the roof line. So, running anything through the attic isn't a straight shot. Running anything underground in front would require going under the driveway.

I would want the water heater inside of the house, or at least inside of an environmentally sealed and locked box outside, because (a) the controls don't seem to require any password/code, and (b) the metal case isn't environmentally sealed, so all of the electrical lines could get wet outside. I'd also prefer it inside because I'd like to be able to adjust the setting without going outside. I wouldn't want it inside of the kitchen (near the electrical box), but instead would like it either in the garage where the other one is or maybe (maybe) in the laundry room. So, I'd have to run electrical lines somewhere, and if I put it out in the garage, then I don't have to also run water lines.

I'm guessing if you were here, you would know the easiest/cheapest way to do it. However, I also don't think it's as straightforward as you were thinking. There's no incredibly easy way to get water or electricity from one side of my house to the other in a permanent code-compliant way. I'm pretty sure it would have to go through the attic.

 

[Adam]

I have not shaved in 5 days.

Anywhere? If so, that's a bold move so close to the finals.

 

[STRONGBADF1]

I have not shaved in 5 days.

Anywhere? If so, that's a bold move so close to the finals.

Rick has always been a 70's kind of guy...

 

[Adam]

Rick has always been a 70's kind of guy...

Did you see his picture on Facebook where he's on his knees looking tentatively upwards? I should receive an award for not commenting on that one. I figured that some of his family may not approve...

 

[ParadigmDawg]

Btw, have you ever calibrated your odometer? Perhaps you've already gone 3000 miles, or maybe you still won't have gone that far after today. Just sayin'.

Well, that...and 2950 miles plus countless miles on a different bike is pretty freaking good. I'd call it a win already. Then again, I'm much better at procrastinating.

I made it, it was a rough and slow ride with a head wind the last 20 miles. It was basically the least fun ride I have ever had as it seemed more like a chore vs. doing something I love to do. My wife joined me for the first 15 miles but then peeled off.

I celebrated by drinking about a gallon of whiskey and now I feel like crap.

 

[ImcLoud]

Pictures are worth a thousand words, but...it's dark outside and I'm too lazy to draw a diagram. So, let me try to paint a picture with my words.

I live in a single story house with no basement. Looking at my house from the street, power runs to the right side of the house, and water runs to the left side. My kitchen is in the front on my house on the right, and the electrical box is on the outside of one of my kitchen walls. My garage is on the left side in the front, and the water heater is located against the left wall of the house but inside the garage. So, the water heater and electrical box are about as far apart (relative to the width of my house) as they could be. If you were able to walk from the electrical box to the water heater, you'd walk through my kitchen, a hallway (from the front door), and the garage. But, you can't go that easily in the attic because the front face of my house isn't a straight wall, nor is the roof line. So, running anything through the attic isn't a straight shot. Running anything underground in front would require going under the driveway.

I would want the water heater inside of the house, or at least inside of an environmentally sealed and locked box outside, because (a) the controls don't seem to require any password/code, and (b) the metal case isn't environmentally sealed, so all of the electrical lines could get wet outside. I'd also prefer it inside because I'd like to be able to adjust the setting without going outside. I wouldn't want it inside of the kitchen (near the electrical box), but instead would like it either in the garage where the other one is or maybe (maybe) in the laundry room. So, I'd have to run electrical lines somewhere, and if I put it out in the garage, then I don't have to also run water lines.

I'm guessing if you were here, you would know the easiest/cheapest way to do it. However, I also don't think it's as straightforward as you were thinking. There's no incredibly easy way to get water or electricity from one side of my house to the other in a permanent code-compliant way. I'm pretty sure it would have to go through the attic.

OK, so your kitchen is on the right side of the house and your electric panel {breaker box} is on the outside of the house on that same side? Is your kitchen sink on an outside wall?

 

[Adam]

Is your kitchen sink on an outside wall?

My faucet videos aren't feeling the love. My sink isn't on the outside wall, but the pipes might run from there.

 

[Adam]

Water is hooked up - about to flip on the 30A breaker. My brilliance or stupidity shall soon be revealed.

 

[Adam]

Brilliance.

 

[ImcLoud]

If your pipes hot and cold run on that outside wall or accessible from there that is all you need... if your sink was on the outside wall you could run the wires under the sink and put the water heater under there, pipe it into the cold and the hot and your done...

Glad it worked... I was worried...

 

[lsiberian]

So I go away for 5 days and Adam is already in hot water. Hopefully you don't have any issues with the new water heater.

 

[Adam]

Glad it worked... I was worried...

Thanks! I wasn't very worried...until you got me worried. I had the fire extinguisher all ready to roll, but it went nice and smooth. I do wish that I would have just spent $15 on new washing machine hoses because I could have run one of those to the washing machine drain instead of running my hose in from outside. Oh, well. It's done. I proved to myself that the heater can indeed work on just a single 240V connection (versus the four it can use), and that it did heat up the water. Also, I verified that it won't actually turn on until the flow hits a certain level, which they say is 0.25 GPM (which seemed about right, although I didn't measure it).

 

[ImcLoud]

which they say is 0.25 GPM (which seemed about right, although I didn't measure it).

Well get a quart container and your stop watch..

the best way to test an on demand unit is to flood it with cold water with the power off so you start with a cold heat exchanger, then start the flow and time how long it takes to get the set point out of the HX...

 

[Adam]

Well get a quart container and your stop watch..

the best way to test an on demand unit is to flood it with cold water with the power off so you start with a cold heat exchanger, then start the flow and time how long it takes to get the set point out of the HX...

Stick a fork in me...I'm done.

I ran cold water through it for over two minutes, per the directions, to flush out any air bubbles. So, it was cold to begin with. Well, relatively cold. Another reason that I wish that I would have had a shorter hose was to make it easier to measure the temperature of the water at the exit.

Before I ever hooked it up, I thought quite a bit about the pros and cons of such a heater. I'm definitely not sold on them, at least for my usage. The only pro is that there's no tank. It's not like the hot water is going to get through the plumbing any faster, so it's not "instant hot water" like it would be close to being if I had a point-of-use system. Now, those intrigue me.

 

[lsiberian]

Stick a fork in me...I'm done.

I ran cold water through it for over two minutes, per the directions, to flush out any air bubbles. So, it was cold to begin with. Well, relatively cold. Another reason that I wish that I would have had a shorter hose was to make it easier to measure the temperature of the water at the exit.

Before I ever hooked it up, I thought quite a bit about the pros and cons of such a heater. I'm definitely not sold on them, at least for my usage. The only pro is that there's no tank. It's not like the hot water is going to get through the plumbing any faster, so it's not "instant hot water" like it would be close to being if I had a point-of-use system. Now, those intrigue me.

We have a boiler system in our apartment which is great for the electric bill, but not good for the instant hot water. Though our water isn't normally that cold. I think I'd look into a solar system in Arizona.

 

[haraldo]

Harald, you should start a boat thread.

Thx for the tip Adam ..... I just don't have the time for AH at the moment ..... way too busy .....

 

[GO-NAD!]

I wish you were closer...

I wish that I was closer, too...

It warms my heart that you guys were able to avoid having a tiff.



Oh, and get a room.

 

[Adam]

Extendable poles (shut up) to take selfies seems to be a big thing these days. Well, maybe not buying them...but selling them, anyway.

 

[fuzz092888]

New TV is in. It buzzes like a motherf!@#&^, but whatever. It looks amazing, especially after I loaded up those settings sawz posted awhile back. I still need to update the firmware.

On another note, did anybody else have the delivery guys not only bring it into your house but set it up as well?

 

[picture_shooter]

My bike computer works off of wheel size plus off of GPS so it's likely very accurate.

I should stop setting goals but I don't have many and I have to hit the ones I make.

Someone look outside for me and tell me it's beautiful....

Have you tried using Strava to track your miles? I recently moved to Colorado to hope do more trail / mtn bike riding / roads rides. It come to conclusion I was more active back in Austin riding the trails / roads. I only put about 440 miles on the trails and about 530 miles on the road here in CO. I doubled that when living in Austin. Figures!!


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