Preamp selections 2 channel

AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
I'm scratching my head over ATI keeping something like that on the market. 1998 called and they want their quadro-phonic pre-pro back :D

Next year you will see it Goodwill for $25 and a sign next to it: ($4K MSRP).

Sorry to bust your chops but IMO they are really trying hard at selling an antique.
I agree. I wouldn't buy it either. That's why I would only recommend it to people who insist on analog 2Ch/7Ch. :D

My recommendation is for a new AVR or that Denon pre-pro.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Old technology with no HD Audio decoding (DTS-HD, Dolby True-HD).
Zero WAF.
No XLR's (hey, I like them) :p

- Rich
Well, you're the one who keeps on insisting on old analog stuff. :D

I am way beyond analog inputs. :cool:
 
Irvrobinson

Irvrobinson

Audioholic Spartan
I'm scratching my head over ATI keeping something like that on the market. 1998 called and they want their quadro-phonic pre-pro back :D
If 1998 called, please tell them I want my hair back, and I'll send them an ATI PrePro in return.

Joking aside, I'm pretty sure they're still selling them only because they have still have a few of them in inventory.
 
RichB

RichB

Audioholic Field Marshall
Well, you're the one who keeps on insisting on old analog stuff. :D

I am way beyond analog inputs. :cool:
In my system, the BDP-105 analog outputs sound better than the AV8801 HDMI inputs for LPCM in Pure Direct mode.
This is a very specific case.

IMO, processing the digital stream (unmolested), performing and excellent D/A conversion, and proceeding in the analog domain from there on has merit.
Also, I enjoy testing them and comparing components ;)

My fellow Oppo beta tester's Denon AVP sounds great with Audyssey enabled because it tames his room's 20 DB hump at 100 Hz.
Of course, if your room does not need correction... ;)

- Rich
 
crossedover

crossedover

Audioholic Chief
I'd still rather buy the used Krell HTS for $600 than the ati "semi new":p
 
ematthews

ematthews

Audioholic General
Great suggestions here... Forgot about the Oppo... What about just using the BD105 for the pre. This way I kill two birds with one stone. I get my player that will play all the dvd audio as well as SACD and blue ray audio... Just a thought..
Just wondering how I hook up a sub.
 
ematthews

ematthews

Audioholic General
I am liking the Marantz Pre.. The Denon is great too but it looks like a car head unit to me.
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
Great suggestions here... Forgot about the Oppo... What about just using the BD105 for the pre. This way I kill two birds with one stone. I get my player that will play all the dvd audio as well as SACD and blue ray audio... Just a thought..
Just wondering how I hook up a sub.
It has sub out as RCA on the back but don't know if that can be used in a pure direct type mode.

If you are that hung up on looks it's killing your options. Put in a nice AV cabinet. Not sure what is wrong with Aesthetic on it... But to each their own.
 
RichB

RichB

Audioholic Field Marshall
Great suggestions here... Forgot about the Oppo... What about just using the BD105 for the pre. This way I kill two birds with one stone. I get my player that will play all the dvd audio as well as SACD and blue ray audio... Just a thought..
Just wondering how I hook up a sub.
It works just fine. There are two setts of dedicated stereo outputs: one XLR, one RCA.
If you want your mains at full range, send the other set of main outs to the sub and use its controls.

If you want to send bass from the mains to the sub, set the crossover, speakers to small, and connect the sub to the 105's sub out..

You do not have a volume knob so you have to user the remote to adjust the volume.
Recent firmware updates have added power-on volume and maximum volume settings for this purpose.

My brother-in-law's Two channel system:

BDP-105 (as a Preamp)
Parasound A21
Revel F206
Martin Logan Grotto-I (connected to the mains out and sub outs)

Then, sell all your old equipment :p

- Rich
 
RichB

RichB

Audioholic Field Marshall
It has sub out as RCA on the back but don't know if that can be used in a pure direct type mode.

If you are that hung up on looks it's killing your options. Put in a nice AV cabinet. Not sure what is wrong with Aesthetic on it... But to each their own.
The Oppo "Pure" mode turns off the front display only. I can detect no sonic advantage.
If you want a true Pure mode, then you sent the sub a copy of the mains and set all your speakers to large.
There is no way to do that on the fly.

- Rich
 
ematthews

ematthews

Audioholic General
It has sub out as RCA on the back but don't know if that can be used in a pure direct type mode.

If you are that hung up on looks it's killing your options. Put in a nice AV cabinet. Not sure what is wrong with Aesthetic on it... But to each their own.
Not that hung up on looks. Sound is my main concern.. In fact, I may be getting some of those Crown amps used for a really good price... Need to try them...
 
RichB

RichB

Audioholic Field Marshall
Do the Crown amps have auto-sensing and/or triggers to automatically power up/down?

- Rich
 
ematthews

ematthews

Audioholic General
Thoughts...Kinda like a swiss army knife.[h=1]NuForce - MCP-18 - 2-Channel or Multi-Channel Preamplifier[/h]
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Thoughts...Kinda like a swiss army knife.NuForce - MCP-18 - 2-Channel or Multi-Channel Preamplifier
You are a very slow learner aren't you? In this day and age why on earth would you buy a unit with no HDMI connectivity and no video processing? In this day and age that unit is virtually useless right out of the box. A multichannel unit with no video is just a dumb piece of junk.

You have to think about sensible architecture Get your switching, processing and bass management in one place. Then everything flows correctly. I think you have in your head that there is something fundamentally wrong with digital units. There is not. Almost all the imperfections in all units come from the analog circuits and not the digital ones, and the former are imperceptible.

From an audio perspective your speakers are a piece of junk, compared to anything recommended here. So look at the total picture.

Now get off the pot and get a Marantz pre/pro or buy a foil hat. By the look of your Avitar I guess you as good as have the foil hat.
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
Get the Oppo. It's the shortest possible chain.

Jeff Bagby, at a recent event he held, reinforced a point that I always like to make. Now this is in the context of passive cross-overs but it holds true for the bigger picture also:

Jeff held a day long PCD class. At one point he's holding up a capacitor that is in the $200 range. He goes on to point out that this $200 capacitor is merely an attempt at doing the LEAST amount of damage to the signal.

My system follows suit: A modest computer (under $400). A $185 high quality, respected, well engineered Sound Card by an outfit with decades of experience making silicon for audio work, and a well engineered by an outfit with decades upon decades of experience making amplification work.

Then out to the speakers which is where I spent easily 90% of my investment. I have ~ half the $$ of what you are going to end up spending in my setup and guarantee your setup, no matter the pre-pro and amp you end up with, it can't run with what I'm running. It's about the speakers. Period.

I believe you are tying yourself in knots here. I will say it again: You need to find an A'her that is willing to help you in situ by getting one boutique pre and either the Marantz, Denon, Oppo. Put everything in pure direct mode and throw a towel. You need to find some unsighted truth to help you see your way through this.

I need to ask: Are you happy with your current speakers? You sold ALL your Emotiva in what seemed like 24 hours. Sell the Sierras. Get a $3500 budget. Spend $2700 on speakers and $700 on an integrated amp and change the entire calculus of your listening experience.

I'm trying to make this post as honest as possible. After realizing the multiple threads you have initiated, all the component swapping etc, I just circle back to maybe it's your speakers.

There isn't a day that I don't listen to my Statements that they don't put a huge smile on my face. All with a sound card that cost $185, and an amp that cost me $369.
 
S

sharkman

Full Audioholic
You are a very slow learner aren't you? In this day and age why on earth would you buy a unit with no HDMI connectivity and no video processing? In this day and age that unit is virtually useless right out of the box. A multichannel unit with no video is just a dumb piece of junk.

You have to think about sensible architecture Get your switching, processing and bass management in one place. Then everything flows correctly. I think you have in your head that there is something fundamentally wrong with digital units. There is not. Almost all the imperfections in all units come from the analog circuits and not the digital ones, and the former are imperceptible.

From an audio perspective your speakers are a piece of junk, compared to anything recommended here. So look at the total picture.

Now get off the pot and get a Marantz pre/pro or buy a foil hat. By the look of your Avitar I guess you as good as have the foil hat.
Well, that's telling him, he's a slow learner who owns junk for speakers and wears a tin foil hat. Maybe you should knock off for a while. You're posting in a thread called PREAMP SELECTIONS TWO CHANNEL. Digital, video processing and HDMI inputs need not apply.
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
You're posting in a thread called PREAMP SELECTIONS TWO CHANNEL. Digital, video processing and HDMI inputs need not apply.
Two channel doesn't preclude LCPM over HDMI, nor SP/DIF (optical or coaxial).
 
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