Possibly Changing my Living Room Mains

Squishman

Squishman

Audioholic Field Marshall
Those are good speakers, but a sealed design for close distance studio monitoring. They are a sealed design with not much bass.
I just realized it's a single 8". Would that be enough for me, playing rock rather loud?
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
So a lot has happened today. I tried "direct" stereo setting and the LS sounded better, so the calibration settings betwixt my heights and fronts may have been interfering with a perfect judgement. But on direct, the infinities were still as good of better. I am actually shocked at the bass these little Infinites put out too (sub was off). It seems when I switch to the heights, direct turns off so it is hard to get a perfect A/B comparison. And with the amp in just stereo, my volumes were not the same. I had to keep turning up the mains to equal the volume of the heights. These small infinities do not seem to handle tremendous volume, but sound really good.
So also, my buddy at work let me try those Ascend two way speakers. If you recall, one had a torn woofer. That set. Two 6 inch woofers with a tweeter in the middle, looks like a standing center speaker. (or as far as @TLS Guy, a correct center if standing like a mini tower). So I got them home and placed gorilla tape (with his permission) over the tear just to hear them semi-properly. Then I discovered the other speaker, one woofer also as a tear!! Taped that too. Gorilla tape is amazing stuff, so I am able to get a good impression of what these sound like. Actually, the woofers are poly, so more a crack, or cracks than tears.
So after all that, they sound great. Just great. I had to see if they'd perform and they do.
If he gives these to me, which is what I think he wants to do, I'd order two woofers to the tune of $130 plus tax and shipping I think. I just wonder If I can do even better.
Where would I start if I were to build a set? I don't have a router or any kind of wood working expertise, so I'd have to pay to get cabs built. Maybe there is a kit that someone sells. I think I'd like a 3-way but only after talking to you Mark, if the midrange was up to snuff. I am super leery of 3 ways now. ha.
What I am suggesting is a reference TL. It would be similar to my family room speakers. These use the KEF B139 ported and the long NLA Dynaudio D76 dome midrange, one of the best ever, and ribbon tweeter.

I do have a problem with midrange drivers, as almost all are actually not mid range drivers, but just lower mid range drivers. A good mid range driver needs to cover the whole speech discrimination band and precious few can.

The KEF B139 is now available again from Falcon acoustics. Its power has been beefed up to 200 watts, but is T/S parameters are the same. It is one of the best drivers of all time and was the basis of many of John Wrights TL designs at TDL. People just never part with those. The Volt dome midrange drivers are now available in the US. These are a range of drivers that can handle to speech discrimination band at power. The only other is the ATC but that is not available OEM.
I have not settled on a tweeter. I would like the Hiquphon 3/4" Tweeter but it's spendy. There is a dearth of good 3/4 inch tweeters, because of the dearth of good midrange drivers to mate to. A 3/4" dome or equivalent is essential to get the wide dispersion out to 10K at least. 1" domes become directional too soon.

So what I have been doodling with is a TL based on the KEF B139 and a Volt dome mid. I would make sure it was an easy drive and use the late Raymond Cooke's impedance correction techniques like I have in my family room speakers.

If you are interested you should bring over music you know well, and give those family room speaker a good listen.

I have options for building the cabinets.

It is about time that Audioholics had a true reference speaker, and one on the top line.

So if you want to take a leap of faith I'm ready.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
I just realized it's a single 8". Would that be enough for me, playing rock rather loud?
I doubt it. They were designed for monitoring classical recordings in a small control room, like the BBC booth at the Albert Hall. The very last thing on Raymond Cooke's mind was pleasing rock heads.
 
Squishman

Squishman

Audioholic Field Marshall
What I am suggesting is a reference TL. It would be similar to my family room speakers. These use the KEF B139 ported and the long NLA Dynaudio D76 dome midrange, one of the best ever, and ribbon tweeter.

I do have a problem with midrange drivers, as almost all are actually not mid range drivers, but just lower mid range drivers. A good mid range driver needs to cover the whole speech discrimination band and precious few can.

The KEF B139 is now available again from Falcon acoustics. Its power has been beefed up to 200 watts, but is T/S parameters are the same. It is one of the best drivers of all time and was the basis of many of John Wrights TL designs at TDL. People just never part with those. The Volt dome midrange drivers are now available in the US. These are a range of drivers that can handle to speech discrimination band at power. The only other is the ATC but that is not available OEM.
I have not settled on a tweeter. I would like the Hiquphon 3/4" Tweeter but it's spendy. There is a dearth of good 3/4 inch tweeters, because of the dearth of good midrange drivers to mate to. A 3/4" dome or equivalent is essential to get the wide dispersion out to 10K at least. 1" domes become directional too soon.

So what I have been doodling with is a TL based on the KEF B139 and a Volt dome mid. I would make sure it was an easy drive and use the late Raymond Cooke's impedance correction techniques like I have in my family room speakers.

If you are interested you should bring over music you know well, and give those family room speaker a good listen.

I have options for building the cabinets.

It is about time that Audioholics had a true reference speaker, and one on the top line.

So if you want to take a leap of faith I'm ready.
I think that is a fine idea! Would the whole package be in my budget of $2K to $2.5k? Happy to have your expertise, because I'd likely create something terrible on my own. That's why I wouldn't do it on my own!
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
I think that is a fine idea! Would the whole package be in my budget of $2K to $2.5k? Happy to have your expertise, because I'd likely create something terrible on my own. That's why I wouldn't do it on my own!
If you are really serious I will do the design. It will take a little time.
 
Squishman

Squishman

Audioholic Field Marshall
If you are really serious I will do the design. It will take a little time.
So amazing of you to offer that. After thinking a bit, I am a little leary of going head first on a project like that. I wonder about the time commitment to do it since I still work full time. I love my ADS' so much, I may have found a 2-way set with 8" woofers. I am waitng for the seller to respond. If I can snare those, I'll buy them no matter what room/system I end up putting them in. Hopefully these will be up my alley for the living room.
 
Squishman

Squishman

Audioholic Field Marshall
The ADS 570/2 seller just changed it to pending for me! Picking them up tomorrow evening. I think these are super clean too.
 
Squishman

Squishman

Audioholic Field Marshall
I got the ADS L570/2's home. They look really nice. Cabs are an easy 9.5 or darn near a 10. The sound is very full and sounds like a bigger speaker. I played my favorite Doobie Brothers album first because the LP has a lot of percussion and great sounds to test them out. Now playing Johnny Cash's "Unchained" LP which has Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers as his b/u band and "Rusty Cage" just played and my jaw just dropped! Goodness gracious, the guitar is so grungy. Better than my LS. I can say that they are exceeding what I was expecting. I'll have to get the height right, but that will wait until I sell the LS'. I paid only $280. Yowser. I think they are worth much more.
 

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