Poetic justice: Banning the Bible in schools

[mtrycrafts]

In a delicious twist of karma the Bible is banned in an Utah school district, and the Book of Mormon is on the chopping block.

>>>A school district in Utah that last week banned the Bible from school libraries is now being asked to consider a further title for removal: the Book of Mormon.

The Davis school district, which serves Davis county, north of Salt Lake City, said it was considering a new complaint demanding the removal of the foundational text of the Utah-based Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
…
The Bible will remain in high school libraries.

The school district said it would assess the Book of Mormon for “all elements of the definitions of pornographic or indecent materials” as defined under a Utah law concerning sensitive materials.

The request to remove the book referenced violence including battles, beheadings and kidnappings. …<<<

Utah school district that banned Bible considers removing Book of Mormon

Davis school district says it will assess text after complaint for ‘pornographic or indecent materials’ under law passed last year

www.theguardian.com

Great. They should edit their complaint to include brainwashing and indoctrination for both.

 

[mtrycrafts]

... because it's salacious to that degree.

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I wonder who will define this for the schoolboard. Is it subjective? Age related as a movie rating?

 

[mono-bloc]

I thought the bible was a scammers handbook, They promise you everything and deliver nothing

 

[jinjuku]

I wonder who will define this for the schoolboard. Is it subjective? Age related as a movie rating?

The point is the school board attempts to stop the parent from reading. That's the litmus right there.

 

[Trell]

The Utah school district reversed its decision to ban the Bible.

Utah school district returns the Bible to shelves after appeals and outcry

The effort to ban the Bible reignited debate about the standards used to judge the content in books.

www.politico.com

 

[GO-NAD!]

I'd rather talk about how our schools suck instead of this right vs left lunacy. I'm against any book being in a k-12 setting that you are stopped by the school board from reading into the public record because it's salacious to that degree.

If it was just books considered too salacious to read at a school board meeting, that would be one thing. But there are plenty of other books being banned for other reasons.

The rise in book bans over the last few years reminds me of the increase in the anti-vax phenomenon. This is just my impression, but it seems that once upon a time, you could find book banners and anti-vaxxers at each end of the political spectrum in somewhat equal measure.

In recent years though, the hard right has been pulling away from the left with their efforts to ban books, as well as oppose vaccines. It may be coincidence, but the rise in anti-intellectualism, anti-science and the doubting of experts comes to mind.

We get book banning efforts here in Canada, as well. They just aren't remotely similar in scale as we are witnessing in the US.

I've no problem beating hypocrites with their own lash. I'm fricking spending $2K a month on private education. Trust me I would LOVE not to feel like I'm having to do this.

How many kids is that for?

 

[jinjuku]

But there are plenty of other books being banned for other reasons.

And that I most likely wouldn't agree with. I've pretty much stated two things really:

1. If you can't publicly read it due to it's graphic nature
2. If it's not toward what should be the core mandate of a school should be doing for it's clients, or hindering the budget to do so.

I'm against most dogma's being pushed using public funds, I'm against turning everything into an ideological battleground.

But I've got to point this out: There was a popular gamer that simply posted "Leave the children alone" and he was banned from CoD. This was treated as 'an act of violence'. Please don't talk about extremes being a right side only issue. If it helps I'll say he was curated off the platform.

This is why you are seeing the push back. Keep pissing off the reasonable center mass by all means.

People are empathy exhausted at this point.

 

[jinjuku]

How many kids is that for?

Take a wild guess.

 

[GO-NAD!]

And that I most likely wouldn't agree with. I've pretty much stated two things really:

1. If you can't publicly read it due to it's graphic nature
2. If it's not toward what should be the core mandate of a school should be doing for it's clients, or hindering the budget to do so.

I'm against most dogma's being pushed using public funds, I'm against turning everything into an ideological battleground.

Of course, what constitutes the "core mandate" can be different things to different people.

But I've got to point this out: There was a popular gamer that simply posted "Leave the children alone" and he was banned from CoD. This was treated as 'an act of violence'. Please don't talk about extremes being a right side only issue. If it helps I'll say he was curated off the platform.

Internet presence/social media is a different kettle of fish, but I get your point. The bans do come from both ends of the spectrum. I never said otherwise. But, the southern red states seem to have taken on a "Here, hold my beer" attitude.

This is why you are seeing the push back. Keep pissing off the reasonable center mass by all means.

People are empathy exhausted at this point.

I consider myself a centrist and I have no more empathy for people who want a book about a kid's two moms banned than I do for people who want Harry Potter banned because J.K. Rowling is - apparently - a TERF.

 

[GO-NAD!]

Take a wild guess.

One!?

My daughter's university education - including accommodation - is less than that.

 

[jinjuku]

Of course, what constitutes the "core mandate" can be different things to different people.

I think reading, writing, arithmetic, the sciences, history, civics, athletics, typical electives are all reasonable. You can't be all things to all students. You have finite funding use it wisely.

 

[GO-NAD!]

I think reading, writing, arithmetic, the sciences, history, civics, athletics, typical electives are all reasonable. You can't be all things to all students. You have finite funding use it wisely.

While I agree with your list, the devil is in the details. The actual curriculum taught within each subject is...er, 'subject' to political/philosophical influences.

 

[jinjuku]

While I agree with your list, the devil is in the details. The actual curriculum taught within each subject is...er, 'subject' to political/philosophical influences.

It's not hard to write factually correct text w/o associated dogma. I actually agree with Florida when it came to evaluating different publishing houses math texts and why they chose some over others. Again called 'curation' and not 'banning'.

This isn't a tacit endorsement of the shenanigans and conservative virtue signaling by DeSantis but even a broken clock is correct 2X/day.

 

[GO-NAD!]

It's not hard to write factually correct text w/o associated dogma. I actually agree with Florida when it came to evaluating different publishing houses math texts and why they chose some over others. Again called 'curation' and not 'banning'.

This isn't a tacit endorsement of the shenanigans and conservative virtue signaling by DeSantis but even a broken clock is correct 2X/day.

Well, it's relatively easy to create a neutral math textbook. Pretty much every other subject, including science (yes, science) is subject to the influence of different points of view.

 

[jinjuku]

Well, it's relatively easy to create a neutral math textbook. Pretty much every other subject, including science (yes, science) is subject to the influence of different points of view.

Must have missed that in AP Chem and Physics in H.S.

 

[GO-NAD!]

Must have missed that in AP Chem and Physics in H.S.

Chemistry and Physics are essentially practical applications of math.

The sciences should be the easiest subjects to teach in a fair and neutral fashion, but just because the subjects are dominated by numbers and hard facts, there's room for politics and agendas to worm their way into the classroom. Consider topics such as climate change, evolution and human biology. While the science is largely settled, they can be difficult to teach without politics creeping in.

And, there should be no question that reading and writing, history and civics are rife with bias.

 

[Trell]

Consider topics such as climate change, evolution and human biology. While the science is largely settled, they can be difficult to teach without politics creeping in.

Or religion.

 

[jinjuku]

Chemistry and Physics are essentially practical applications of math.

The sciences should be the easiest subjects to teach in a fair and neutral fashion, but just because the subjects are dominated by numbers and hard facts, there's room for politics and agendas to worm their way into the classroom. Consider topics such as climate change, evolution and human biology. While the science is largely settled, they can be difficult to teach without politics creeping in.

And, there should be no question that reading and writing, history and civics are rife with bias.

I'm all for removing bias and dogma where possible.

 

[j_dewitt]

In a delicious twist of karma the Bible is banned in an Utah school district, and the Book of Mormon is on the chopping block.

>>>A school district in Utah that last week banned the Bible from school libraries is now being asked to consider a further title for removal: the Book of Mormon.

The Davis school district, which serves Davis county, north of Salt Lake City, said it was considering a new complaint demanding the removal of the foundational text of the Utah-based Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
…
The Bible will remain in high school libraries.

The school district said it would assess the Book of Mormon for “all elements of the definitions of pornographic or indecent materials” as defined under a Utah law concerning sensitive materials.

The request to remove the book referenced violence including battles, beheadings and kidnappings. …<<<

Utah school district that banned Bible considers removing Book of Mormon

Davis school district says it will assess text after complaint for ‘pornographic or indecent materials’ under law passed last year

www.theguardian.com

Some support this decision, believing that schools should be secular and neutral in relation to religious texts. However, others object, believing that such an act offends believers and violates their right to freedom of religion. I don't care, to be honest, I don't read it. I like discrimination topics more, I use https://supremestudy.com/essay-examples/discrimination/ for this. Not because I'm enjoying it, but just because I'm curious. The question arises as to whether school curricula should be multi-religious and how to ensure fairness for all cultural and religious groups. This decision highlights the discussion about the interaction of religion and education in modern society.

There will always be people who are for it and who are against it.

 

[adieericken]

In a delicious twist of karma the Bible is banned in an Utah school district, and the Book of Mormon is on the chopping block.

>>>A school district in Utah that last week banned the Bible from school libraries is now being asked to consider a further title for removal: the Book of Mormon.

The Davis school district, which serves Davis county, north of Salt Lake City, said it was considering a new complaint demanding the removal of the foundational text of the Utah-based Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
…
The Bible will remain in high school libraries.

The school district said it would assess the Book of Mormon for “all elements of the definitions of pornographic or indecent materials” as defined under a Utah law concerning sensitive materials. Besides if we read this website we will understand that in fact it matters a lot to analyze, because analytically this would be the right choice but not in an imposing way.

The request to remove the book referenced violence including battles, beheadings and kidnappings. …<<<

Utah school district that banned Bible considers removing Book of Mormon

Davis school district says it will assess text after complaint for ‘pornographic or indecent materials’ under law passed last year

www.theguardian.com

There are many pros and cons, I believe that this at least should not be imperatively imposed.