Pioneer VSX vs Yamaha HTR6250

Lordoftherings

Lordoftherings

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Thanks for all the advice, the heat issues with the vsx1019 do worry
me a little, however it does appear to be a better product with the GUI and all and has more bang for my buck, and damn that best buy sales rep, their not even on commission! and he was supposed to be the audio "expert"..
Hi, Welcome to Audioholics.

To be quite honest with you, this the very first time that I heard of the Pioneer VSX-1019AH-K running hot. I'm still not buying it, not from just one person's opinion.

And I don't buy a receiver based on the GUI, I watched movies and listen to music, not GUI. It's not the GUI feature that makes a better product, or bang for the buck. You should know better.
Same for sales rep, they don't make the sound from my receiver, or do they? :rolleyes:

Cheers,

Bob
 
lowpro

lowpro

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Hey Bob,

Thanks for posting,
basically what I'm looking for is a solid receiver, that produces good sound, is easy to calibrate and comes in around $499-$699CAD, based on the online reviews I've read, as well as getting hands on with the two units in question on display, the better receiver in that price range appears to be the VSX1019, also I wasn't actually going to make a choice based on the GUI, just thought I'd mention the Pioneer offers it over the Yammy, in terms of the heat issues, which is one of my main concerns, it emits a lot more heat then the Yamaha when I inspected the two models at Best buy, I have also read a few buyer reviews on Cnet which mention the same issue....

Does anyone have anything positive to say about the Yamaha htr6250?
I think I might just pick up both receivers tomorrow and test them both out with my audio package and room setup, and just see which one sounds better to me..
 
Lordoftherings

Lordoftherings

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Thanks bro for the additional info.

YAMAHA >>> The Yamaha HTR-6250 is te same as the RX-V565.

From what I gathered here at Audioholics, people seems to favor the last year model and one notch higher in the line, the RX-V663.
That will be the equivalent of the HTR-6160. The weight of that receiver is 26 pounds, quite reasonable weight in that category.
Can you get hold of that model? Because if you can, it should be quite affordable, as it is the last year model.
Just call around to Yamaha dealers and the Best Buy stores close to your area, and also Future Shop who do carry these Yamaha models, and perhaps some Canadian web sites with used audio products that you can trust.
I'm just not fasmiliar enough in my own country, LOL.
I know more about South of the border than my own area.
Check on line at Best buy web site and same with Future Shop web site.
Just Google Yamaha dealers in Canada.

ONKYO >>> And with a price range from $500 to $700 cdn, you should be able to find a very nice receiver. You can also check London Drugs for last year model, the Onkyo TX-SR606, if you don't mind that brand. but the 606 might just run too hot for your taste. It's an excellent receiver though.

*** In particular (if you can handle the heat) look for the Onkyo TX-SR705 at London Drugs. It would be in your price range, as it is a two years old model. That would be a very good score if you can find one. The performance of that receiver will counterbalance the heat issue. ***

DENON >>> Also, check last year models on Denon receivers fom Future Shop and other stores that might have good deals on them, I just don't know enough.
but the good Denon models that might be in your price range are the AVR-888 and the AVR-788 (which are the equivalent of the AVR-2308 and the AVR-1908). But Denon might be too expensive compared to other brands.

MARANTZ >>> Check also who carries Marantz receivers, look for the SR5002, the SR6001, and perhaps the SR7001. All excellent receivers too.

~~~ Ok, that's about it for now. Do your research on these models, check their feature list on their web sites, check their prices, take your time, don't rush it, because prices can only come down from here.
And just keep in touch, when you think you might have found the right one, for the right price.

Cheers,

Bob
 
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bandphan

bandphan

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Ahhh... Bandphan, always there when you need him. :)

And about you? Did you also have a beer, about a couple of hours ago or so, when you came up with the same figures than 3db? ;)
I "dony" drink:rolleyes: hint buy stock in guinness breweries
 
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Lordoftherings

Lordoftherings

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Tou-li-doup, tou-li-doup...

You two guys are just great. :)

* Bandphan, I like that "Buy stock in Guinness breweries". :D

* 3db, Me! Crossing the line! Never. :rolleyes:
 
lowpro

lowpro

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Hey Bob,

Thanks for that information, I'm going to look into the other receivers you mentioned, quick question on the Denon, apparently from what I've read, it's very difficult to set up/calibrate, I'm pretty decent when it comes down to handling electronics, even though I may be a rook to A/V's, anyhow I picked up both receivers (Yammy htr6250 $449 on sale at Future shop, pretty good price, and the $699 Pioneer vsx1019), I set up the Yamaha 1st and it's pretty easy to set up and I kind of like the sound options and the remote feels more comfortable then the Pioneer, as for the vsx1019, the system is much more attractive and does appear to sound a bit better then the 6250 on my speaker setup(6.1), however it does get much hotter then the 6250, it warms up my glass shelf above it, but it seems like a more advanced system compared to the htr6250, however, this may sound stupid, but I do prefer how the Yamaha shows the speakers that are outputting sound on the lcd front display, where as the Pioneer only indicates the source output. but not the actual speaker output, that kinda bugs me...

Justin.
 
Lordoftherings

Lordoftherings

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Hey Justin, why don't you look for a Yamaha RX-V663, it is the last year model, but it is a better one and also should be quite reasonably priced, as it is an older model. If you can get your hands on the 663, which is the Yamaha HTR-6160 from Future Shop, you'll be perfectly satisfied. Also check the Denon AVR-1909 (AVR-789), also from Future Shop. Or even the AVR-788, the previous model.

But because you like simplicity of setup and the good front display of the yamaha, do check on that Yamaha HTR-6160.
But the Denon AVR-789 would be a very good choice also, highly recommended from me and others. The 789 would be my first choice, and the 6160 my second one.
But any of these two would be perfectly fine, check them out, and check their prices too, they should be very close ($70 cdn more or less).

Bob
 
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lowpro

lowpro

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How's it going Bob,

I looked into the features of the v662 & 6150 Yamaha's and the main issues I have is the lack of HDMI inputs, currently I'm running 3 HDMI sources (Cable box, PS3, Dvd upconverter) and apparently those two models only offer 2 inputs when the new models I've purchased offer 4 inputs, which is pretty good and gives me additional options, the Denon AVR 789 looks good even though it has 3 HDMI inputs, but is it really as difficult to set up as the reviews suggest?
 
H

H/Kthunder

Enthusiast
Hi,
Definitely go w/ the Pioneer. But I would suggest getting the VSX-919 instead because the only difference between the 919 and 1019 is that the 1019 offers second room audio. If you need that then go for it, otherwise save a few bucks and get vsx-919 instead. Pioneer receivers are one of the top ones out there and with the new 9 series line up, they offer the best bang for you bucks. Pioneers don't typically run hot but as with any equipment, proper ventilation is necessary. 2.5" space above the receiver is too small of a gap. You should give it atleast a 4" gap because you don't the the heat to be circulating around the receiver. Maybe thats why some people are having heat issues. I will be getting the vsx-919 soon for my home theater set up. Hope this helpled.
 
lowpro

lowpro

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Hey whats up H/K Thunder

Thanks for you input, I have indeed looked into the vsx919 model, and it's about $200 less then the 1019, besides the multi-room funtion, and apparently it has 3 HDMI inputs (4inputs on the 1019) Are there any other differences between the two models? no sound differences or anything? as for my heat concerns, my TV stand is wide open, the receiver has nothing blocking it's ventilation, it's completely wide open on all angles, except the top..which has a somewhat thin glass shelf that has the center speaker sitting on top, that's my only worry, after several hours on, the glass gets pretty warm, and the receiver felt pretty hot, (although the display model at best buy, which has no ventilation issues, did run just as hot) I'm curious if there's a difference in heat output between the 919 &1019..
 
Lordoftherings

Lordoftherings

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Triple shoot-out (Pioneer-Yamaha-Denon), and last but not least, Onkyo.

How's it going Bob,

I looked into the features of the v662 & 6150 Yamaha's and the main issues I have is the lack of HDMI inputs, currently I'm running 3 HDMI sources (Cable box, PS3, Dvd upconverter) and apparently those two models only offer 2 inputs when the new models I've purchased offer 4 inputs, which is pretty good and gives me additional options, the Denon AVR 789 looks good even though it has 3 HDMI inputs, but is it really as difficult to set up as the reviews suggest?
Hi Justin, thanks, I'm going great (well, I think, last time I check anyway). ;)

Ok then, so you'd better look at one that has at least three HDMI inputs, or even four, for possible addition of another source with HDMI connection.

And as for the Denon receivers with Audyssey Automatic Room EQ calibration, it's not difficult, but it does take more time. Some people don't like that, they rather have a simple system that is quick and don't demand too much effort. But I personally like more Audyssey for it's general overall performance. But that's just me (and few other people too).
So, I'll say, NO, it's not as difficult as some people would like to make you believe. But you do have to follow the instructions, like any other system, that's all. The Denon AVR-789 (3 HDMI inputs) is a very nice receiver, that few people prefer over the similar Pioneer VSX-1019AH-K, that's all, so I just mentioned it to you so that you know your other good option.
That's my job to let people know, just like you. :)

Hi,
Definitely go w/ the Pioneer. But I would suggest getting the VSX-919 instead because the only difference between the 919 and 1019 is that the 1019 offers second room audio. If you need that then go for it, otherwise save a few bucks and get vsx-919 instead. Pioneer receivers are one of the top ones out there and with the new 9 series line up, they offer the best bang for you bucks. Pioneers don't typically run hot but as with any equipment, proper ventilation is necessary. 2.5" space above the receiver is too small of a gap. You should give it atleast a 4" gap because you don't the the heat to be circulating around the receiver. Maybe thats why some people are having heat issues. I will be getting the vsx-919 soon for my home theater set up. Hope this helpled.
I think that H/K might have a good point here, if you can save yourself a couple hundred box, it's not bad. And it only has one HDMI input less than the 1019, which with three of them, you're still covered (for now).
But then, I would still go with the Denon AVR-789.
But again, that's just me (and a few others too). ;)

Hey whats up H/K Thunder

Thanks for you input, I have indeed looked into the vsx919 model, and it's about $200 less then the 1019, besides the multi-room funtion, and apparently it has 3 HDMI inputs (4inputs on the 1019) Are there any other differences between the two models? no sound differences or anything? as for my heat concerns, my TV stand is wide open, the receiver has nothing blocking it's ventilation, it's completely wide open on all angles, except the top..which has a somewhat thin glass shelf that has the center speaker sitting on top, that's my only worry, after several hours on, the glass gets pretty warm, and the receiver felt pretty hot, (although the display model at best buy, which has no ventilation issues, did run just as hot) I'm curious if there's a difference in heat output between the 919 &1019..
There wouldn't be any sound difference between the 919 and the 1019.
The (4)* Pioneer VSX-1019AH-K would only be slightly more powerfull, but not much.
From what I gathered, some people still prefer the 1019 over the 919,
but what do I know myself? ;)
If you found the 1019 is running too hot for your own taste, I would simply discard it. I don't have a clue as for how hot the 919 is. You'll have to check that for yourself.
Hey Justin, you did not tell me how much is the (2)* Denon AVR-789 (canadian dollars). I would appreciate if you do so, as well the (5)* Pioneer VSX-919.
Also if you can get the price of the (3)* Yamaha HTR-6260, that'll be great too.
And finally, I guess you're not interested by the (1)* Onkyo TX-SR606 (4 HDMI inputs), a great receiver, perhaps the best of this bunch, might run a littlte too hot for your taste, but you'd be passing on a very good receiver, which would be your lost. Check the price anyway (London Drugs).

* You probably noticed the numbers in brackets followed by an asterisk.
That's how I ranked them in order from 1 to 5, as the Onkyo TX-SR606 being my first choice, the Denon AVR-789 being my second one, ... and last (5) the Pioneer VSX-919.

I'm done. Now it's all up to you do do what you have to do.
Good luck, good night and good day. ;)
Let me know of your final decision.

Regards,

Bob
 
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lowpro

lowpro

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Hello again Bob,

Thanks for your insight, I'm definitely going to sit down and make a choice
over the next 2 days or so, as for the costs of the receivers you mentioned, the Denon would run $599, the VSX 919 is $449 at the moment, and the Yamaha HTR6260 is around $649-$699, I managed to get the vsx1019 for $649 and the HTR 6250 for $449 which was $150 off, as for the Onkyo, to be honest I have read some good reviews on those A/V's but to be honest, I'm just not into it, I don't know if it's the look or what, but I'm sure it'll blow the one's I currently have out of the water..I'm going to check out the Denon on display to see how hot it actually gets, as well as the vsx919, and basically take it from there, at the moment I'm leaning on keeping the 1019, besides the heat, it seems like a better system compared to the htr6250, but then again, I still need to really give the 6250 more time on display...we'll see what happens, thanks a lot for your help, most appreciated...

Justin
 
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H/Kthunder

Enthusiast
Hey lowpro,
There is no sound difference between the vsx-919 and vsx-1019. They both have identical sound features. The 1019 is mainly for 2nd room audio. They both are using the same amp and power output so the heat on both units should be the same as well. For your setup i would still try to increase the space on top of the receiver, however if you're not running it for more than 5hrs or for a prolonged period than your setup shouldn't cause any major issues.
 
Lordoftherings

Lordoftherings

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This & that...

Hi Justin,

I already got all info on these receivers with their Canadian prices from Future Shop and London Drugs. (All Canadian prices.)

* 1. Onkyo TX-SR606 can be had for $499.99 and weights 25 lbs. (4 HDMI)
* 2. Denon AVR-789 is about $599.99, but I bet that it can be had for $499.99,
(now that the new 790 replaces it), and it weights 24 lbs. (3 HDMI)
* 3. Denon AVR-689 is $399.99 and weights 24 lbs. (3 HDMI)

4. Yamaha HTR-6260 is $649.99 and weights 18.5 lbs. (4 HDMI)
5. Yamaha HTR-6250 is $449.99 and weights 18.5 lbs. (4 HDMI)
6. Yamaha HTR-6150 is $299.99 and weights 20 lbs. (2 HDMI) --> Lowest price.
7. Pioneer VSX-1019AH-K is $699.99 and weights 19 lbs. (4 HDMI) --> Highest price.
8. Pioneer VSX-919H-K is $449.99 and weights 18 lbs. (3 HDMI)

* The first three* would be on my list. And the others, they're fine, but still below the three first ones.

** It's your money, it's your decision, it's your final call.

** * But the Pioneer VSX-1019AH-K (the one that you want to keep) is the biggest rip-off of the bunch. And the second biggest rip-off, is the Yamaha HTR-6260.

I'm out of here now. Have a good one.

Bob
 
lowpro

lowpro

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Thanks again for your advice Bob

At the moment I swapped the Pioneer VSX1019 for the VSX919 and saved myself $200,
and either tomorrow or Thursday I'm going to pick up the Denon AVR 789, I'm going to go to Best buy since their the only ones I know that carry it, do you know any other potential retail chains that may carry it?? anyhow I'm going to set both receivers up and make my final choice.

Justin.
 
Lordoftherings

Lordoftherings

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Good move so far.

Thanks again for your advice Bob

At the moment I swapped the Pioneer VSX1019 for the VSX919 and saved myself $200,
and either tomorrow or Thursday I'm going to pick up the Denon AVR 789, I'm going to go to Best buy since their the only ones I know that carry it, do you know any other potential retail chains that may carry it?? anyhow I'm going to set both receivers up and make my final choice.

Justin.
Hi Justin,

That was a smart move (going to the 919 from the 1019), because you not only save $200, but they are pretty much the same except for that additional HDMI input on the 1019, which is not worth $200 incidently.

The Denon AVR-789 would be even better than the Pioneer VSX-919.
And I'm sure that you will love that Denon.
The only places that I know in Canada where they carry it, is Best Buy and Future Shop, but you'll get a deal at either place.
And besides, the Denon AVR-789 runs very cool, you'll love it.
And if money is a concern, check the Denon AVR-689, it is still cheaper than the Pioneer VSX-919, and still better too.

Recap:

#1 choice = Denon AVR-789
#2 choice = Denon AVR-689
#3 choice = Pioneer VSX-919AH-K

Good luck & keep in touch,

bob
 
lowpro

lowpro

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Hey Bob, how's it going?

So Currently I am housing the Pioneer VSX 919ahk, and the Denon AVR 789 ( got it for $450 @ bestbuy) , I haven't had a lot of time to spend on the receiver's but I did (for the most part) set up the Denon 789, and it does indeed sound better then the Pioneer, that Audyssey stuff seems impressive! I will spend more time with both receivers over the weekend, the only annoying thing about the Denon appears to be the remote, it's pretty bad, also I find the LCD font display on the denon to be a tad small (I sit about 10 feet away) , but it's definitely a quality receiver...I'll let you know more after I spend a few dedicated days with it, thanks again..

Justin.
 
Lordoftherings

Lordoftherings

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Ya man! The Denon AVR-789 is it.

Hey Bob, how's it going?

So Currently I am housing the Pioneer VSX 919ahk, and the Denon AVR 789 ( got it for $450 @ bestbuy) , I haven't had a lot of time to spend on the receiver's but I did (for the most part) set up the Denon 789, and it does indeed sound better then the Pioneer, that Audyssey stuff seems impressive! I will spend more time with both receivers over the weekend, the only annoying thing about the Denon appears to be the remote, it's pretty bad, also I find the LCD font display on the denon to be a tad small (I sit about 10 feet away) , but it's definitely a quality receiver...I'll let you know more after I spend a few dedicated days with it, thanks again..

Justin.
Hey Justin, Happy Canada Day.

I'm doing fine, thanks. Hey Justin, the Denon AVR-789 is a keeper, at that price, I'll say. :) This is the real Cadillac from all your other choices, trust me.

And just forget about the remote control, it's not that important (you can easily get a Logitech Harmony 550 for very cheap on sale, that would be the Cadillac of all remotes, about $70 cdn).
What's really important, is that the Denon AVR-789 is the best sounding one with the best power supply, Audyssey MultEQ Automatic Room EQ Correction, Audyssey Dynamic EQ, Audyssey Dynamic Volume, 3 HDMI version 1.3, Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA internal decoders, TI Burr-Brown DSD-1608 8-channel Dac, Analog Devices Sharc 32-bit floating point DSP chip, excellent weight at 25 pounds, excellent OSD, excellent and nice looking design exterior, lots of power for your own use, all the connections you'll ever need, and just simply the very best for you. Finally and not least, at $450 Canadian dollars, it is the best value of the bunch. It is absolutely a no-brainer purchase. :)

Now, you are exactly right on target, don't deviate from the center of the bull's eye. :)

Cheers, and stay in touche.

Bob
 
lowpro

lowpro

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Hello again Bob, I hope all is well,

Thanks again for your assistance and advice, the Denon avr789 is the best Receiver I've tested, and at the price I purchased it at, it's a no brainer I'm keeping the Denon & returning the Pioneer vsx919, I spent a decent amount of time tweaking it and so on, it's not as complicated as reviews make it sound, definitely a great buy! thanks again for all your help!!

take care

Justin
 

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