Picky Eng building system have Kuro PDP-5020FD need video scaling Receiver & Blu Ray

jcilforever

jcilforever

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As said above I have Pioneer PDP-5020FD Plasma and want to buy a receiver that does an excellent job of video scaling from Component input of Iptv box 480p signal. Want to make sure that the investment on the tv pays for it self with the best possible 1080p picture without artifacts, flicker, or jidder. What is my best choice for scaling or should I buy a seperate scaler? Budget is what it takes to get it right but not over $1000. Also am interested in quality and longevity. Also need a good Blu Ray that plays well with the PDP-5020FD to give the best picture budget for the Blu Ray is $500. Thank you for your help!:)
 
Adam

Adam

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Welcome to the forum!

Just a question for you - are you dissatisfied with the upscaling being done by the TV? I'm assuming yes, but I wanted to ask. The issue is that you'd need to get a scaler better than the one in the TV to notice any improvement (at least, that's my belief).
 
jcilforever

jcilforever

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Well I would prefer to run everything through the receiver and want to make sure that A) I have a better one in the receiver or B) can turn the upscaler in the receiver off.
 
Davemcc

Davemcc

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I'm going to pick up where Adam left off. I believe that particular display has a darn good scaler already and you would be hard pressed to find better video processing for under a grand. Perhaps the best you can hope for in this circumstance is to do no harm to the video signal as you switch sources and transcode from one format to another. I find with my Reon based Integra that the display looks best when the Reon processor is set to "Through" or bypass.

You won't have to do any scaling of HDMI sources, especially the 1080p sources. The trick here is to find a receiver that transcodes from component to HDMI well. There are many receivers that perform this function. The Denon 3808 may be available now within your budget with a little frugal shopping. That unit should not degrade your HD video sources and should provide good quality transcoding of your SD sources. There are owners of that unit here that can clue you in to their actual performance.

For Blu-Ray players, the Panasonic BD35 is among the best you can find and will come in under your budget (the remainder of which you could apply towards the receiver budget).
 
jcilforever

jcilforever

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Actually the Denon 3808 is around $1,600, and thank you for the quick post. Would love some more advice on choices.

As far as the blu ray players I have been looking at the Pioneer BDP-51FD, Sony BDP-S550, and the Panasonic DMP-BD55K any thoughts on which one of those or should I wait on the OPPO BDP-83 to come out? But this will be after the receiver so that I know what audio formats I need to decode.
 
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Davemcc

Davemcc

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I've heard on this site of members getting the 3808 as low as $1099. It's just a matter of shopping. You can pick up the extra budget by going with the BD35. You will only need the BD35 since you will have an up to date receiver. The only advantage that the BD55 has is that it has multichannel analog outputs. These are used to connect the BD player to the multichannel analog inputs of older receivers that do not decode the newer HD formats. Since the receiver you choose will have the ability to process the new formats, you don't need the m/c outputs of the BD55.
 
jcilforever

jcilforever

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I was thinking about the following:

Pioneer Elite VSX-01TXH upper $ limit and Pioneer VSX-1018AH lower $ limit, Yamaha RX-V1800 upper $ limit and Yamaha HTR-6180 lower $ limit.

Just do not want to hamper the Kuro on the video side so any money saved (of course not a huge sacrifice in sound) can go to other things. Example have heard Onkyo TX-SR606 of introducing flicker, probably something to do with interlacing.

Realizing that the sound originates from the receiver any money saved could go to the surround speaker system and the Blu Ray.
 
jcilforever

jcilforever

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Oh, also looking at the Denon AVR-2309CI upper $ limit and Denon AVR-1909 lower $ limit. Any thoughts??
 
strube

strube

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Well if you absolutely MUST have a scaler in the receiver, Denon uses Frajouda video processing, which is inferior (according to many) to the Anchor Bay or HQV video processors. The least expensive (and feature rich) AVR that has the HQV Reon video processor is the Onkyo TX-SR876 ($989 at Amazon). But as Dave said, it may not be as good as passing it through and letting the TV do it...

I second the vote for a Panasonic BD35 if you get an HDMI 1.3-capable AVR.
 
bandphan

bandphan

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As mentioned id highly recommend letting your display handle the scaling. Get an avr with the features you need and pass the signals without processing.
 
Midcow2

Midcow2

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See my answer is a similar thread :)

As said above I have Pioneer PDP-5020FD Plasma and want to buy a receiver that does an excellent job of video scaling from Component input of Iptv box 480p signal. Want to make sure that the investment on the tv pays for it self with the best possible 1080p picture without artifacts, flicker, or jidder. What is my best choice for scaling or should I buy a seperate scaler? Budget is what it takes to get it right but not over $1000. Also am interested in quality and longevity. Also need a good Blu Ray that plays well with the PDP-5020FD to give the best picture budget for the Blu Ray is $500. Thank you for your help!:)
See my answer is a similar thread :)

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=516166&postcount=2

Good luck!

MidCow2
 
jcilforever

jcilforever

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Ok, we have established that I should just bypass the upconversion and let the tv handle it.

As far as the Onkyo, I have heard that it introduces artifacts from numerous sources, has anyone had this experience?

I was thinking about the following:

Pioneer Elite VSX-01TXH upper $ limit and Pioneer VSX-1018AH lower $ limit, Yamaha RX-V1800 upper $ limit and Yamaha HTR-6180 lower $ limit.
Oh, also looking at the Denon AVR-2309CI upper $ limit and Denon AVR-1909 lower $ limit. Any thoughts??
 
jcilforever

jcilforever

Audioholic
Found out that Yamaha clips a portion of the blacker than black video signal that it passes trough so it has been marked off my list. What I have left is Pioneer Elite VSX-01TXH upper $ limit and Pioneer VSX-1018AH lower $ limit, Denon AVR-2309CI upper $ limit and Denon AVR-1909 lower $ limit (2809 is over $ limit, These don't have onscreen Graphical interface).

Ofcouse I am here for your suggestions so please keep them coming your reccomendations are appreciated, along with your help too.

Thank You
 
Davemcc

Davemcc

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The least expensive (and feature rich) AVR that has the HQV Reon video processor is the Onkyo TX-SR876 ($989 at Amazon). But as Dave said, it may not be as good as passing it through and letting the TV do it...

I second the vote for a Panasonic BD35 if you get an HDMI 1.3-capable AVR.
I'll second the Onkyo TX-SR876 at that price. The HQV Reon is arguably the best processor available in a consumer product at a reasonable price. Anything with a Realta or Gennum scaler would probably triple the budget or more.

The HQV Reon in the 876 is the same chip used in my Integra processor. I'm very happy with the video quality. It provides as good an image as if I feed my video signal directly to the display. It's like the hippocratic oath. First, do no harm. At the very least, I know that in pass through mode, I am getting as good a signal as my sources can deliver. Onkyo and Integra are the same company for all intents and purposes so I think that you can expect the same quality video from the Reon equipped 876.

Personally, I would cross off those lower level Denon receivers from your list. The other products you're looking at are more equivalent to the 3808 or better.

PS. Don't worry about my issues with Integra. I'm having some customer service issues with them on a minor issue unrelated to this discussion.
 
jcilforever

jcilforever

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Actually the Onkyo TX-SR876 would no longer be needed because I would be using the TV processor.

So I am looking for the best sound for the money now and since I won't need the video upconversion it looks like I might be able to save some money and spend it on speakers, again without a sacrafice to audio.

Budget still less than $1000 but don't want to pay for features that I won't use, but do want best sound quality for money.

Critical features are 7.1 surround sound, Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio, and possibly HD radio (is it worth it?) THX™ Select2 Plus (is it worth it?). Atleast 3 HMDI inputs and of course the receiver with the best sound.

What about Marantz and Harman Kardon?
 
bandphan

bandphan

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Actually the Onkyo TX-SR876 would no longer be needed because I would be using the TV processor.

So I am looking for the best sound for the money now and since I won't need the video upconversion it looks like I might be able to save some money and spend it on speakers, again without a sacrafice to audio.

Budget still less than $1000 but don't want to pay for features that I won't use, but do want best sound quality for money.

Critical features are 7.1 surround sound, Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio, and possibly HD radio (is it worth it?) THX™ Select2 Plus (is it worth it?). Atleast 3 HMDI inputs and of course the receiver with the best sound.

What about Marantz and Harman Kardon?
The denon and the onks have good room correction which will help with "sound", other than that avrs dont have sound. There are some Pioneer 92s still floating around under 800.
 
jcilforever

jcilforever

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The denon and the onks have good room correction which will help with "sound", other than that avrs dont have sound. There are some Pioneer 92s still floating around under 800.
By sound I meant clean power, low distortion, purest internal discreteness (not sure that is a word) you know what I am talking about no need to correct. I too could use terminology but why do that becuse others can benefit that are not technical.
 
bandphan

bandphan

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I do and avrs in your price range are impossible to distingiush without the room correction applied.
 
J

jostenmeat

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By sound I meant clean power, low distortion, purest internal discreteness (not sure that is a word) you know what I am talking about no need to correct. I too could use terminology but why do that becuse others can benefit that are not technical.
He's not using complex terminology. He indeed is a professional in the industry, and also happens to be a very interested consumer/hobbyist (trust me, a lot of the pro's don't really care).

He's just trying to help. While opinions do vary regarding any certain feature or product, I will share mine regarding this, ahem, room correction. IMO, it is by far the most value-laden feature available in a midlevel receiver. Now, instead of playing the refutation game, you could simply either use search functions, read a bit more, or kindly ask him to expound a tiny bit. There is really no need to bite the hand that feeds you. Ok, that's out of the way:

Room correction devices are NOT substitutes for poor speaker design, poor speaker placement, poor listener positioning, lack of treating the acoustical environment, whether absorbing primary reflections, or trapping bass, etc.

But IMO a good one helps a lot still. An advanced products like Audyssey MultEQ XT (please note the XT) is had on my refurbed Onkyo 805 for way under your budget. I was so impressed what it did for my HT that I wanted to couple it to my multi thousand dollar stereo system, but the economies of scale in the much smaller 2ch world prohibit affordability. I basically would have to either use an HT receiver acting as pre, or I buy a $2,000 SEQ.

Why did bandphan mention Denon and Onkyo? Because they sport Audyssey product, as does Marantz and NAD. He himself uses a Pioneer, and some folks really enjoy that MCAAC can be fiddled with post calibration. You can't quite do that with Aud below the pro levels, but certain products come with more target curves than others.

Such a product will be more accurate than your SPL meter, it will measure the reverberant field with consecutive sweep bursts, finding and applying, ahem, correction to even secondary reflections, and perhaps most importantly, dial down modal ringing. Again, it's NOT the end all, but a great tool to have in your arsenal. For, IMO, the acoustical environment is by far the most important thing to consider in audio. Just as a Panasonic in a light controlled environment will outperform a Kuro with terrible ambient lighting conditions, a mid level speaker in a well prepared environment will outperform high end speakers without any thought to said environment.

If you don't want to hear it, just say so. Put us on ignore, whatever. But, we are only here to help, and not to confuse. Note that bandphan didn't mention modal ringing, or secondary reflections, but just simply "correction". He was indeed talking as simply as one possibly could about these products that you will undoubtedly find on any receiver you choose. Better to know now, than after you bought already, no?
 
jcilforever

jcilforever

Audioholic
Thank you jostenmeat for the description of room correction it is very helpful.

I was actually refering to the "sound" of the AVR and how bandphan told me how avrs don't have "sound" ( I took it as an off handed remark because I can not see a person's body language or hear their tone of voice).

I am sorry bandphan, and I appreciate the help that you have given, Thank you.

Since an AVR "receives" a signal then decodes it and amplifies it I am talking about which reciever does this the best and most efficently in my price range of under $1000 with the following features:

Critical features are 7.1 surround sound, Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio, and possibly HD radio (is it worth it?) THX™ Select2 Plus (is it worth it?). Atleast 3 HMDI inputs and of course the receiver with the best sound.

Pioneer Elite VSX-01TXH upper $ limit and Pioneer VSX-1018AH lower $ limit, Denon AVR-2309CI upper $ limit and Denon AVR-1909 lower $ limit

What about Marantz and Harman Kardon?
 
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