Onkyo SR606 vs. Marantz SR4002: 2 Questions.

[Lordoftherings]

As far as sound processing, the 4002 has Crystal DACs and a Cirrus Logic 32-Bit DSP. These means nothing to me, however. Just curious how it compares to the 606's specs. There's probably more to sound processing than just these two features so probably an irrelevant issue.

The SR4002 uses one Dac (not Dacs), it is a Cirrus Logic also (Crystal).
I don't know exactly the serial number. That Dac is also a multichannel (8-ch.) Dac built into one singular chip (just like the Onkyo 606).

Anyway, you're right, there's more to sound than just the Dac(s) and the DSP(s).

 

[Lordoftherings]

605-606-607-608...

No free shipping on the 606. I didn't see that.

I can't take this anymore.

LOL. Super cool picture, I just love it.

Well, you snooze you loose (you should had that 606 by now, I remember when it was $299). Maybe you should wait for the 607 to drop further in price. I'm sure that when the 608 will be announced, it will be a good time to snatch one up.

 

[Patrick_Wolf]

Well, you snooze you loose (you should had that 606 by now, I remember when it was $299). Maybe you should wait for the 607 to drop further in price. I'm sure that when the 608 will be announced, it will be a good time to snatch one up.

It's not the 1st time I've snoozed and lost. Mmm, ebay is a possibilty. Though probably wouldn't get any warranty.

Maybe I should go to Best Buy and pick up a VSX-819H-K and use it while I wait for a better deal, than return the 819. I'd like to try out that AVR anyway.

 

[Lordoftherings]

It's not the 1st time I've snoozed and lost. Mmm, ebay is a possibilty. Though probably wouldn't get any warranty.

Maybe I should go to Best Buy and pick up a VSX-819H-K and use it while I wait for a better deal, than return the 819. I'd like to try out that AVR anyway.

Mmm... I wouldn't.

 

[Patrick_Wolf]

Mmm... I wouldn't.

Care to elaborate?

 

[lsiberian]

Care to elaborate?

Some folks are scared to take risks in life.

You know you can get square trade warranty right?

I buy stuff on Ebay and craigslist all the time and have never had a single problem.

 

[Lordoftherings]

Care to elaborate?

Honestly, I don't know. Just a hunch. The weight perhaps. For me, it's not it.
For you, it could very well be it. Depends of your room, your speakers, your listening habit, etc.

Cheers,

Bob

 

[PENG]

One example that I know of and that I already mentioned is the Denon AVR-2809ci or the AVR-2808ci. And this is the very rare exception, not the rule.

Agree, the 2808/09 should have decent pre/pro quality.

If people have electrostatics, you think they are going to buy a receiver?

That's possible, but you made a good point.

I'm starting to believe now that preouts belong to pre/pros.

I totally disagree, actually this contradicts what you said about the Denon 2808/09 CI.

I do agree with you that receivers in the <500 range AVR probably do not have good enough prepro in them to warrant preouts but I believe there are many >$1,000 AVRs that are equipped with nice prepros. I would be willing bet the majority of audioholics cannot tell the difference in SQ between a $1,500 AVR and a high end Anthem prepro in DBT using pure direct mode. In other modes then they will for sure sound different but there will be no consensus in terms of which one sounds better in a blind listening test.

 

[Patrick_Wolf]

Honestly, I don't know. Just a hunch. The weight perhaps. For me, it's not it.
For you, it could very well be it. Depends of your room, your speakers, your listening habit, etc.

I've basically been told in another thread here that the 819 or even the 519 would be fine (as far as watts are concerned) for my potential setup. Which will be, or something fairly similar to, this:

Primary usage is movies. Room is about 1,600 sq ft. Head about 6 ft. away from speakers. Volume is "somewhat loud" I'd say, but never uncomfortably so. 5.1 setup. Fronts: CB-10s, Surrounds: CB-5s, Center: CC-5

 

[Lordoftherings]

Holics vs Philes.

I totally disagree, actually this contradicts what you said about the Denon 2808/09 CI.

I do agree with you that receivers in the <500 range AVR probably do not have good enough prepro in them to warrant preouts but I believe there are many >$1,000 AVRs that are equipped with nice prepros. I would be willing bet the majority of audioholics cannot tell the difference in SQ between a $1,500 AVR and a high end Anthem prepro in DBT using pure direct mode. In other modes then they will for sure sound different but there will be no consensus in terms of which one sounds better in a blind listening test.

Like I said, this one (Denon AVR-2808/2808ci) is part of the exception.

I agree, some receivers in the $1,000 range work great as pre/pros. Like that one just above.

As for your comparison with Anthem, mmm... You have to take the overall picture (and sound), that's the reality.

Bob

Note: Audioholics are not necessarily Audiophiles.

 

[Lordoftherings]

I've basically been told in another thread here that the 819 or even the 519 would be fine (as far as watts are concerned) for my potential setup. Which will be, or something fairly similar to, this:

Primary usage is movies. Room is about 1,600 sq ft. Head about 6 ft. away from speakers. Volume is "somewhat loud" I'd say, but never uncomfortably so. 5.1 setup. Fronts: CB-10s, Surrounds: CB-5s, Center: CC-5

Hi Patrick,

I agree with you. The 819 at below $199 is a pretty good deal, no doubt about it. Look at it this way; if you keep it for say two years, it's about roughly 0.25 cents a day for enjoying your CDs, your DVDs and your Blu-Rays, plus anything else you throw at it.

Cheers,

Bob

 

[PENG]

As for your comparison with Anthem, mmm... You have to take the overall picture (and sound), that's the reality.

Bob

Agree, but I referred to the "sound quality in pure direct mode with no processing" scenario only. Some Audiophiles (me too at one time) hyped up the roles of preamps in everything. I was planning on getting a Mc preamp at one time but after some serious auditioning in a couple of hi end stores I gave up, at least for now. To me they are critical if you really need them to amplify low level output sources such as MC cartridges, but less critical for line level output devices. I can see that prepros overall could make a huge difference in sound quality or sound effects mainly because of their sound processing part but not the preamp part. My vintage CD player has its own volume control and using the shortest cable I can get I hear no difference when I bypass my preamp.

Note: Audioholics are not necessarily Audiophiles.

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That's why I said Audioholics. I know Audiophiles are the exceptions, they will hear, or see any minute sound quality differences when they use parts of their brains and eyes, of course.

 

[Patrick_Wolf]

Tx-sr507

The Onkyo 507 also looks good... I read their wpc rating is closer to what they state. However it weighs virtually the same as the 819.

I'd guess SQ would be about the same.

*sigh*

 

[Lordoftherings]

The Onkyo 507 also looks good... I read their wpc rating is closer to what they state. However it weighs virtually the same as the 819.

I'd guess SQ would be about the same.

*sigh*

I'll be more inclined towards the Onkyo TX-SR507, but that's just me.

And you're probably right about sound quality, I doubt that you'll notice any difference. Again, your speakers might.