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[Dude#1279435]

Wow that's f--ked up. Another analysis shows agents backing up 8-10 feet from Perreti lying there motionless and another 4 shots fired. I feel the most bad for the women nearby who had the endure that.

 

[Mikado463]

Sadly but another example of Trumps poorly trained 'Gestapo' doing a miserable job ..............

 

[Mr._Clark]

What law was the protester breaking before he was shot? From the video I've seen, there was no justification. Am I missing some context from your statement?

I guess it depends on what was meant by "I state again that the constitutional right to bare arms is a f?ckin sad joke because they are not being used against a tyrannical government, the very reason it was put into the constiution."

I interpreted this as referrinmg to an armed insurrection.

As a practical matter, it is almost never legal to use force

>>>When Is It Legal To Use Force Against A Police Officer?
The short answer is… practically never.<<<

When Is It Legal To Use Force Against A Police Officer? – The Law Office of Chris Van Vechten

soundlawyering.com

>>>Right to Resist an Illegal Arrest? Nope!

. . . Libertarian-bent people repeatedly ask me the following leading question, expecting me to confirm their conclusion: We have a Constitutional right to resist an illegal arrest, right?

No, you don’t. . . . We have a Constitutional right to resist arrest, right? Nope. <<<

Right to Resist an Illegal Arrest? Nope!

hccla.org

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I'm not aware of any court cases involving a successful "tyrannical government" defense.

Regardless of reason the Second Amendment was added to the Constitution, it does not alter the law regarding self defense or resisting arrest.

 

[Mikado463]

I guess it depends on what was meant by "I state again that the constitutional right to bare arms is a f?ckin sad joke because they are not being used against a tyrannical government, the very reason it was put into the constiution."

I interpreted this as referrinmg to an armed insurrection.

As a practical matter, it is almost never legal to use force

>>>When Is It Legal To Use Force Against A Police Officer?
The short answer is… practically never.<<<

When Is It Legal To Use Force Against A Police Officer? – The Law Office of Chris Van Vechten

soundlawyering.com

>>>Right to Resist an Illegal Arrest? Nope!

. . . Libertarian-bent people repeatedly ask me the following leading question, expecting me to confirm their conclusion: We have a Constitutional right to resist an illegal arrest, right?

No, you don’t. . . . We have a Constitutional right to resist arrest, right? Nope. <<<

Right to Resist an Illegal Arrest? Nope!

hccla.org

!

I'm not aware of any court cases involving a successful "tyrannical government" defense.

Regardless of reason the Second Amendment was added to the Constitution, it does not alter the law regarding self defense or resisting arrest.

perhaps I missed something in the various videos that I've watched, but nowhere did I see try to 'use force'. I saw what I believe to be a bunch of poorly trained ICE agents wrangle and wrestled him to the ground and in the scuffle his weapon (concealed) became displayed. To me it appeared the one ICE agent reacted to that, stepped back and open up, followed by the others

 

[Mr._Clark]

Wow that's f--ked up. Another analysis shows agents backing up 8-10 feet from Perreti lying there motionless and another 4 shots fired. I feel the most bad for the women nearby who had the endure that.

From the ICE website:

>>>ICE officials use reasonable and necessary force when someone resists arrest. ICE officers and agents prioritize safety — including the safety of the people they arrest — and are highly trained in de-escalation.<<<(emphasis added)

Immigration Enforcement Frequently Asked Questions

www.ice.gov

 

[Mr._Clark]

perhaps I missed something in the various videos that I've watched, but nowhere did I see try to 'use force'. I saw what I believe to be a bunch of poorly trained ICE agents wrangle and wrestled him to the ground and in the scuffle his weapon (concealed) became displayed. To me it appeared the one ICE agent reacted to that, stepped back and open up, followed by the others

As I understand the statement "I state again that the constitutional right to bare arms is a f?ckin sad joke because they are not being used against a tyrannical government, the very reason it was put into the constiution." the person posting was asserting that firearms have not been used against ICE (I believe this is true), but firearms should be used against ICE.

We might be talking past each other.

 

[Dude#1279435]

From the ICE website:

>>>ICE officials use reasonable and necessary force when someone resists arrest. ICE officers and agents prioritize safety — including the safety of the people they arrest — and are highly trained in de-escalation.<<<(emphasis added)

Immigration Enforcement Frequently Asked Questions

www.ice.gov

I find that odd given a) the initial ICE agent went at the woman who he was having a confrontation with and pushed her on the ground, b) Perreti had his back faced to the agents when he was separating them from her and they grabbed him and c) after six shots and several feet of distance from a motionless Peretti ICE agents took another four shots. It's almost as if key members of Trump's admin are telling me not to believe what I've seen. (It should be noted the initial agent actually followed the woman across the street and then pushed her down which then Peretti intervened.)

I mean the only way I can see this favoring ICE in any way is she would have had to have thrown something at the agent to warrant him following her across the street and push her down. Saying "I f--ked your dad!" doesn't strike me as having enough cause to go after her due to restraint and de-escalation LOL. Even then do you believe an admin saying they were "domestic terrorists?"

 

[GO-NAD!]

perhaps I missed something in the various videos that I've watched, but nowhere did I see try to 'use force'. I saw what I believe to be a bunch of poorly trained ICE agents wrangle and wrestled him to the ground and in the scuffle his weapon (concealed) became displayed. To me it appeared the one ICE agent reacted to that, stepped back and open up, followed by the others

He was actually shot after he was disarmed.