On Trump

[highfigh]

Do the manufacturers sell directly to the carteI think not, so THEY aren't the suppliers.

Don't be so naive. The Sackler family didn't put oxycontin in the hands of addicts, yet they were held liable.
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There's a big difference between (from Wiki) "Purdue Pharma played a "special role" in the opioid crisis because the company "was the first to set out, in the nineteen-nineties, to persuade the American medical establishment that strong opioids should be much more widely prescribed—and that physicians’ longstanding fears about the addictive nature of such drugs were overblown." . However, where does liability for the physicians who over-perscribed Oxy, even after the massive problems reared their ugly heads? Purdue clearly lied, but the addictive aspect was known prtty early and Drs just steamed on, writing scrips for millions of people unless the patients refused it.

In the case of guns and cartels, the manufacturers sell to dealers and distributors, who then sell to end users, hopefully legally. If any of them skirt the laws, they need to be held liable in every way- anyone who is found to have sold to anyone in a cartel needs to go away, in every sense.

But, what about Fast & Furious? That was a government operation. With Mexican government connections with cartels, are you sure where the cartels get their weapons?

 

[cpp]

I was reading an article in a local paper and its interesting that Trump and Musk aren't the first to cut back govt departments. The biggest effort to overhaul the federal government in modern history actually was 30 years ago under a Democratic administration. It was then-President Bill Clinton's “ Reinventing Government ” initiative, under the control of his vice president, Al Gore. But Clinton carried out his plan with some thought and humanity, not a dictator mentality like Trump..

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-isnt-the-first-president-to-slash-the-federal-workforce-how-hes-doing-it-is-a-different-story-736b6147

 

[Trell]

There's a big difference between (from Wiki) "Purdue Pharma played a "special role" in the opioid crisis because the company "was the first to set out, in the nineteen-nineties, to persuade the American medical establishment that strong opioids should be much more widely prescribed—and that physicians’ longstanding fears about the addictive nature of such drugs were overblown." . However, where does liability for the physicians who over-perscribed Oxy, even after the massive problems reared their ugly heads? Purdue clearly lied, but the addictive aspect was known prtty early and Drs just steamed on, writing scrips for millions of people unless the patients refused it.

In the case of guns and cartels, the manufacturers sell to dealers and distributors, who then sell to end users, hopefully legally. If any of them skirt the laws, they need to be held liable in every way- anyone who is found to have sold to anyone in a cartel needs to go away, in every sense.

But, what about Fast & Furious? That was a government operation. With Mexican government connections with cartels, are you sure where the cartels get their weapons?

No surprise that you’re carrying water for the Sackler family or the gun manufacturers.

 

[Mikado463]

No surprise that you’re carrying water for the Sackler family or the gun manufacturers.

LMAO, so I guess you're proud of the'Fast & Furious' fiasco under the Obama Admin and that Eric Holder clown. Trell, the problem you and many other 'head in the sand' liberals have is you can't admit the Dems have fair share of F-ups also !!

 

[GO-NAD!]

Don't be so naive. The Sackler family didn't put oxycontin in the hands of addicts, yet they were held liable.

There's a big difference between (from Wiki) "Purdue Pharma played a "special role" in the opioid crisis because the company "was the first to set out, in the nineteen-nineties, to persuade the American medical establishment that strong opioids should be much more widely prescribed—and that physicians’ longstanding fears about the addictive nature of such drugs were overblown." . However, where does liability for the physicians who over-perscribed Oxy, even after the massive problems reared their ugly heads? Purdue clearly lied, but the addictive aspect was known prtty early and Drs just steamed on, writing scrips for millions of people unless the patients refused it.

In the case of guns and cartels, the manufacturers sell to dealers and distributors, who then sell to end users, hopefully legally. If any of them skirt the laws, they need to be held liable in every way- anyone who is found to have sold to anyone in a cartel needs to go away, in every sense.

But, what about Fast & Furious? That was a government operation. With Mexican government connections with cartels, are you sure where the cartels get their weapons?
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[GO-NAD!]

There's a big difference between (from Wiki) "Purdue Pharma played a "special role" in the opioid crisis because the company "was the first to set out, in the nineteen-nineties, to persuade the American medical establishment that strong opioids should be much more widely prescribed—and that physicians’ longstanding fears about the addictive nature of such drugs were overblown." . However, where does liability for the physicians who over-perscribed Oxy, even after the massive problems reared their ugly heads? Purdue clearly lied, but the addictive aspect was known prtty early and Drs just steamed on, writing scrips for millions of people unless the patients refused it.

In the case of guns and cartels, the manufacturers sell to dealers and distributors, who then sell to end users, hopefully legally. If any of them skirt the laws, they need to be held liable in every way- anyone who is found to have sold to anyone in a cartel needs to go away, in every sense.

But, what about Fast & Furious? That was a government operation. With Mexican government connections with cartels, are you sure where the cartels get their weapons?

I mean it wouldn't be the first time a manufacturer was found to be complicit with smuggling their products.

Imperial Tobacco Canada: Involvement in Cigarette Smuggling - Tobacco Tactics

Imperial Tobacco Canada (ITC) is a subsidiary of British American Tobacco. In 2008, ITC pleaded guilty to customs charges related to cigarette smuggling.

www.tobaccotactics.org

 

[Trell]

LMAO, so I guess you're proud of the'Fast & Furious' fiasco under the Obama Admin and that Eric Holder clown. Trell, the problem you and many other 'head in the sand' liberals is you can't admit the Dems have heir share of F-ups also !!

You must be very proud of the Sackler family that through their private held pharmaceutical company Perdue sold OxyContin that got tens of thousands of Americans killed, and managed to get over $12 billions in profit from those sales. The Sacklers and Perdue knew what they where doing and admitted "knowingly and intentionally conspired and agreed with others to aid and abet" doctors dispensing medication "without a legitimate medical purpose."

Real American heroes that you approve of.

 

[Mikado463]

Obama? A gun smuggler? Wow, I never saw that coming.

really ? where have you been, perhaps not Obama himself, but one of his lackeys .......

ATF gunwalking scandal - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Mikado463]

You must be very proud of the Sackler family

No I'm not, next ...........

 

[highfigh]

No surprise that you’re carrying water for the Sackler family or the gun manufacturers.

You need a better translator because I posted nothing to indicate that.

But since you have chosen to be a dik, I see another gun killed 11 people in Sweden- how is your gun control working out?

Oh, sorry, it was SOMEONE WITH A GUN, once again.

Sucks, doesn't it? Make rules to prevent people using guns and they do it, anyway. And when a country like the US has as many idiots as we do, it's more frustrating than you can imagine when most of us are just trying to live peacefully.

Sorry to see this happening in your country. Seriously- it shouldn't happen anywhere.

 

[highfigh]

I mean it wouldn't be the first time a manufacturer was found to be complicit with smuggling their products.

Imperial Tobacco Canada: Involvement in Cigarette Smuggling - Tobacco Tactics

Imperial Tobacco Canada (ITC) is a subsidiary of British American Tobacco. In 2008, ITC pleaded guilty to customs charges related to cigarette smuggling.

www.tobaccotactics.org

I'm definitely not going to disagree with you on this- cigarettes killed both of my parents.

 

[cpp]

But, what about Fast & Furious? That was a government operation. With Mexican government connections with cartels, are you sure where the cartels get their weapons?

A really interesting read on this subject: https://fortune.com/2012/06/27/the-truth-about-the-fast-and-furious-scandal/

 

[Trell]

You need a better translator because I posted nothing to indicate that.

But since you have chosen to be a dik, I see another gun killed 11 people in Sweden- how is your gun control working out?

Oh, sorry, it was SOMEONE WITH A GUN, once again.

Sucks, doesn't it? Make rules to prevent people using guns and they do it, anyway. And when a country like the US has as many idiots as we do, it's more frustrating than you can imagine when most of us are just trying to live peacefully.

Sorry to see this happening in your country. Seriously- it shouldn't happen anywhere.

You're a little dumb, aren't you, believing that gun controls stops every mass shooting?

 

[Dude#1279435]

You need a better translator because I posted nothing to indicate that.

But since you have chosen to be a dik, I see another gun killed 11 people in Sweden- how is your gun control working out?

Oh, sorry, it was SOMEONE WITH A GUN, once again.

Sucks, doesn't it? Make rules to prevent people using guns and they do it, anyway. And when a country like the US has as many idiots as we do, it's more frustrating than you can imagine when most of us are just trying to live peacefully.

Sorry to see this happening in your country. Seriously- it shouldn't happen anywhere.

Invalid. See discussion on MGs.

 

[Verdinut]

I mean it wouldn't be the first time a manufacturer was found to be complicit with smuggling their products.

Imperial Tobacco Canada: Involvement in Cigarette Smuggling - Tobacco Tactics

Imperial Tobacco Canada (ITC) is a subsidiary of British American Tobacco. In 2008, ITC pleaded guilty to customs charges related to cigarette smuggling.

www.tobaccotactics.org

By the way, both my father and my sister worked at the Montreal Imperial Tobacco factory. My father was a foreman and retired after 44 years at age 65.
But ITC killed my sister. As a matter of fact, she had been working in the lab, testing cigarettes every day, that is smoking them. She died at 61 in 1990 from severe Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease.

 

[mtrycrafts]

Yet a Trump supporter getting what he deserves: Fired from his job at IRS.

>>>One of the laid off IRS employees, Robert McCabe, told NBC10 he went into work on Thursday and had issues logging in. He and his coworker sat around and waited for instructions. He then received the layoff letter shortly before 11:30 a.m. McCabe said he had been a supporter of President Trump prior to the layoff.

“You know when he talks about government waste and all that, yes, I’m behind it,” McCabe said. “I believe there is a lot of stuff in the government that needs fixing. And that’s part of the reason why I actually wanted to work for the government, actually. To help change. Help change the things that are wrong in the world, you know? I thought that someone with his business acumen would have come in with a fine-tooth comb and actually found it instead of coming in with a wrecking ball and destroying people’s lives for no reason.”<<<

Hundreds of Philly IRS workers laid off on Thursday, union says

Hundreds of Philadelphia IRS employees were laid off on Thursday as part of the Trump administration's efforts to cut down the size of the federal workforce, a union leader confirmed with NBC10.

www.nbcphiladelphia.com

And this is the agency that makes money for the government.
Less agents, less rich people get audited.
What a bunch of idiots running the treasury.

Oh, missed that "business acumen." Yes, that is why he had 5 or 6 bankrupt businesses.

 

[mtrycrafts]

Of course there are a number of other Trump supporters regretting their votes never imagining that they would be target by the man they voted for. Karma is a bitch and they get what they deserve. At least some of them admit they're embarrassed about their vote, so there is hope.

>>>Staci White said she voted for President Trump because she wanted lower prices and to stop fentanyl from coming into the U.S.

Now, with widespread federal layoffs and expected cuts, she worries her family will lose their house if her partner is laid off from his government-adjacent job. At the dialysis unit where she works, staff have started doing drills for what to do if Immigration and Customs Enforcement comes to deport their patients, some of whom are in the country illegally.

“When we said safer borders, I thought he was thinking ‘let’s stop the drugs from coming into the country,’” she said. “I didn’t know he was going to start raiding places.” She said she didn’t believe he would actually follow through on some of the more hard-line policies he touted during the campaign. [moron]
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MSN

Will they remember this in 2026 election? Or 2028?
I don't understand Staci. Didn't she get the message before the election that he will deport them all?
Thanks, Staci.

 

[mtrycrafts]

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction

Well, that is the case on this planet. Does it hold with Black Holes?

 

[mtrycrafts]

Obama? A gun smuggler? Wow, I never saw that coming.


None of this relevant to the point that smuggling firearms to groups that have been designated as terrorist groups is tantamount to supporting terrorists and she was right to point that out.

She definitely has a background as an environmental activist. Again, irrelevant. Communist? Debatable, also irrelevant.

And, being Jewish is not only irrelevant, referring to it is a detestable dog-whistle.

Thank you.

 

[mtrycrafts]

Do the manufacturers sell directly to the carteI think not, so THEY aren't the suppliers.

Don't be so naive. The Sackler family didn't put oxycontin in the hands of addicts, yet they were held liable.
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And how. I hope they never recover from it.