On Trump

[mtrycrafts]

I don’t necessarily agree with everything JD stated but there are some points to be made. For me, the EU and Biden administration slow walked arms to Ukraine dragging this out to bleed Russia in another proxy war. I think these strategies need to end and have never been productive in the long run. Russia is a nuclear superpower, it would take EU or US direct involvement to end the war but possibly at the expense of a nuclear war. This was botched from the start and probably should have been fought when Russia invaded Crimea.

Also yes Russia started the war but the EU used Ukraine and baited Russia into it. In the long run Russia lost as Sweden and Denmark are now NATO. A direct conflict with Russia is in nobody’s best interests and America is broke, we can’t continue to fund endless wars. It’s time to change policies around the world and the EU needs to stand on their own and yes it’s our fault for enabling them but it appears that chapter is closing.

Correction, Finland and Sweden.

PS just because I post something does not mean that I necessarily agree with it. Sometimes I just post things for discussion.

And, wouldn't this be a prime opportunity for Trump to outshine EU and Biden by super supporting Ukraine and rushing overwhelming amount of equipment?
No, just the opposite.

 

[mtrycrafts]

Where do you get all this nonsense from!?

EU enticing Ukraine to join NATO? No.
PolitiFact | Ask PolitiFact: What’s Ukraine’s history of trying to join NATO?

Ethnic cleansing? No.
Allegations of genocide in Donbas - Wikipedia
Corruption? While both Russia and Ukraine have had problems with that, only Ukraine has been making efforts to clean its act up.
Both countries in the wrong? Let's be clear - Russia had NO justification messing with the eastern Oblasts, none for grabbing Crimea and certainly none for the full-scale invasion.

The rest of your post...I just can't be bothered with...it's too tiresome.

Ethnic cleansing was one of the reasons Putin used to invade. The other was cleansing the Nazis there. Of course, Russian propaganda that some just latched onto. Facts? Who needs facts that needs lots of fact checking, just accept Putin's words.
Reminds you of someone closer to home?

 

[TankTop5]

Ethnic cleansing was one of the reasons Putin used to invade. The other was cleansing the Nazis there. Of course, Russian propaganda that some just latched onto. Facts? Who needs facts that needs lots of fact checking, just accept Putin's words.
Reminds you of someone closer to home?

There’s tons of video to support what was going on in Ukraine. Tanks, aerial bombing etc.

 

[Dude#1279435]

I don’t know, we’ll see about that peace prize… after he makes an example out of Iran which is WAY overdue. If you’re not aware Iran (Khamenei) believes that they will usher in the 12th Imam by nuking Israel and starting a war to wipe out all non Muslims on earth. There is no reasoning with them, this is the most fanatical religious belief on earth, they believe they die to bring about global Islamic rule.

Well hopefully he doesn't get it for Russia/Ukraine.

 

[TankTop5]

And, wouldn't this be a prime opportunity for Trump to outshine EU and Biden by super supporting Ukraine and rushing overwhelming amount of equipment?
No, just the opposite.

Why would we do that? They aren’t a NATO member. The Budapest Agreement does not obligate any signing Nation to provide any military support unless another signing Nation uses nuclear weapons against Ukraine.

We don’t owe Ukraine a penny. The increase in support over the last year from the West hasn’t changed the battle lines by any measurable amount, all it has done is killed people on both sides faster.

Why do you want more dead people on both sides if we can negotiate peace?

Let me add, under the Budapest Agreement other signing Nations do have legal right to intervene directly if they want. In Europe the only other signing Nation is the United Kingdom and Kazigstan. The two countries can legally put boots on the ground and fight against Russia, I think Kier Starmer just suggested that, let’s sit back and see how it goes.

 

[Trell]

Why would we do that? They aren’t a NATO member. The Budapest Agreement does not obligate any signing Nation to provide any military support unless another signing Nation uses nuclear weapons against Ukraine.

We don’t owe Ukraine a penny. The increase in support over the last year from the West hasn’t changed the battle lines by any measurable amount, all it has done is killed people on both sides faster.

Why do you want more dead people on both sides if we can negotiate peace?

Let me add, under the Budapest Agreement other signing Nations do have legal right to intervene directly if they want. In Europe the only other signing Nation is the United Kingdom and Kazigstan. The two countries can legally put boots on the ground and fight against Russia, I think Kier Starmer just suggested that, let’s sit back and see how it goes.

Are you paid by Russia to spread Russian propaganda and lies? Several other so-called far-right "influencers" have done so, and you as well, I suspect.

 

[Mikado463]

Tank, even thou Trell gave you a 'atta boy' reward I see your point. I for one don't want another Nam and was hoping an equitable settlement could be reached. But with each passing day I lose most hope in that happening ...

 

[Mr._Clark]

Enrique Tarrio, a J6 convict, was just arrested in DC.

>>>U.S. Capitol Police officers said they witnessed Tarrio striking a woman’s arm after she held her phone to his face following a press conference on Friday where Tarrio announced a potential lawsuit against the Department of Justice and the debut of a Proud Boys-themed cryptocurrency.

He faces a charge of simple assault, according to a statement from police.<<<

Enrique Tarrio arrested for assault after Proud Boys reunion with January 6 rioters

Former Proud Boys leader charged with simple assault for swatting at a protester

www.independent.co.uk

As I understand it, simple assault is a misdemeanor in DC. His J6 conviction is still on his record, however, because Trump commuted his sentence rather than issuing him a pardon. It seems unlikely that he'd be considered a first time offender. On the other hand, I doubt he'd get the maximum (180 days in jail).

Trump could of course grant him a pardon.

 

[Mikado463]

Enrique Tarrio, a J6 convict, was just arrested in DC.

>>>U.S. Capitol Police officers said they witnessed Tarrio striking a woman’s arm after she held her phone to his face following a press conference on Friday where Tarrio announced a potential lawsuit against the Department of Justice and the debut of a Proud Boys-themed cryptocurrency.

He faces a charge of simple assault, according to a statement from police.<<<

Enrique Tarrio arrested for assault after Proud Boys reunion with January 6 rioters

Former Proud Boys leader charged with simple assault for swatting at a protester

www.independent.co.uk

As I understand it, simple assault is a misdemeanor in DC. His J6 conviction is still on his record, however, because Trump commuted his sentence rather than issuing him a pardon. It seems unlikely that he'd be considered a first time offender. On the other hand, I doubt he'd get the maximum (180 days in jail).

Trump could of course grant him a pardon.

If anyone held a phone to my face that I didn't approve of, they too would get smacked and their phone chucked !

 

[Trell]

Tank, even thou Trell gave you a 'atta boy' reward I see your point. I for one don't want another Nam and was hoping an equitable settlement could be reached. But with each passing day I lose most hope in that happening ...

It's Ukrainians that are doing the fighting and dying defending their home country against a brutal agressor, not US soldiers. Any equitable settlement should involve total Russian withdrawal from all Ukrainian territory.

 

[Mikado463]

It's Ukrainians that are doing the fighting and dying defending their home country against a brutal agressor, not US soldiers. Any equitable settlement should involve total Russian withdrawal from all Ukrainian territory.

I never said they weren't. Listen, I feel for the innocent citizens of Ukraine. As for their Gov't, that's another story......

 

[TankTop5]

Tank, even thou Trell gave you a 'atta boy' reward I see your point. I for one don't want another Nam and was hoping an equitable settlement could be reached. But with each passing day I lose most hope in that happening ...

It’s been trench warfare for 2 years with the added bonus of death from above via drones. Both sides have added limited chemical warfare to the mix of atrocities. I don’t think there’s any amount of weapons we could give Ukraine to make a difference to the outcome at this point. Short of direct intervention, US vs Russia which is complete lunacy, this war needs to end. War is terrible and for the most part there are no winners. That’s how this one goes down in the history books.

As far as Trell, he’s more than welcome to volunteer to go to front anytime he wants, or does he just want to volunteer for other people to die?

 

[Mikado463]

With all the craziness that abounds here recently I thought it only apropos that I post this video .....

I just hope the sinking of this 'United States' in a few weeks is not the pre-cursor of things to come for 'our' United States.........

 

[Dude#1279435]

If anyone held a phone to my face that I didn't approve of, they too would get smacked and their phone chucked !

Hehehe the plot man of J6.

 

[lovinthehd]

I never said they weren't. Listen, I feel for the innocent citizens of Ukraine. As for their Gov't, that's another story......

Why would you call Ukraine govt in question particularly unless you're a Putin disciple ?