On Trump

[Trell]

Any constitution is only as good as the respect it's given. Trump has clearly demonstrated that the US Constitution is a document to be circumvented when it presents an impediment to his agenda. If he announces that he will run again in 2028, I would be surprised if anyone stopped him.

Trump did in 2022 call for the termination of the US Constitution:

>>>Former President Donald Trump faced rebuke Sunday from officials in both parties after calling for the “termination” of parts of the Constitution over his lie that the 2020 election was stolen.

Trump, who announced last month that he is running again for president, made the claim over the weekend on his Truth Social media platform.

“A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution,” he wrote. “Our great ‘Founders’ did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!” ...<<<

Trump rebuked for call to 'terminate' Constitution over 2020 election results

Former President Donald Trump faced rebuke Sunday from officials in both parties after calling for the “termination” of parts of the Constitution over his lie that the 2020 election was stolen.

www.pbs.org

 

[Dude#1279435]

Trump did in 2022 call for the termination of the US Constitution:

>>>Former President Donald Trump faced rebuke Sunday from officials in both parties after calling for the “termination” of parts of the Constitution over his lie that the 2020 election was stolen.

Trump, who announced last month that he is running again for president, made the claim over the weekend on his Truth Social media platform.

“A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution,” he wrote. “Our great ‘Founders’ did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!” ...<<<

Trump rebuked for call to 'terminate' Constitution over 2020 election results

Former President Donald Trump faced rebuke Sunday from officials in both parties after calling for the “termination” of parts of the Constitution over his lie that the 2020 election was stolen.

www.pbs.org

>>>The White House on Saturday assailed Trump, saying: “You cannot only love America when you win.”<<<

Trump: you can only love America when you win.

I don't think there's anything that burns deeper to him than not winning (ie being thought of as a loser). Hence all the election cases.

 

[TankTop5]

I very much wonder what is going on there now..... Trump wants to buy Greenland and Trump Jr. is there to promote the deal

Greenland makes a lot of sense but I doubt we’ll buy it, more likely it becomes a territory and I think he can pull it off. It has tons of known resources is largely unexplored and Denmark has done nothing with it. I think there’s 56,000 people there and it’s 1/3 the size of the EU. I think the biggest thing it offers is rare earth metals which China is hoarding at the moment and we’ve made it nearly impossible to mine domestically due to environmental laws but the need for rare earth metals is only going to grow. The only other source is Afghanistan or catching an asteroid so aside from those two options Greenland looks rather hospitable.

I know you didn’t mention Canada but Trumps comments there are just a negotiating tactic. Trudeau has really harmed their economy so they need to make some major changes quickly. I think there’s a really good chance we negotiate a new trade deal and Canada ends up adopting the dollar. If they open the taps on oil to the US and expand logging that could have positive effects on both countries quickly, lowering energy and building material costs would help everyone.

 

[TankTop5]

I’d like to point out the elephant in the room. Last time Trump was in office he would say some off the wall stuff or post a tweet and the media would loose their mind. Then he would sign a dozen bills and nobody would talk about any of the bills, just scream about his crazy statements. Nothing has changed other than the subject of his crazy statements, nobody is talking about what he ran on, now it’s Canada, the Panama Canal and Greenland.

“I’ve got a magic trick for you, look over here”….

 

[Wayde Robson]

Nothing has changed other than the subject of his crazy statements, nobody is talking about what he ran on, now it’s Canada, the Panama Canal and Greenland.

“I’ve got a magic trick for you, look over here”….

Sorry, stepping in here without reading the entire thread or having much context. I've actually heard at least one American who supported the Trump campaign being a bit dismayed about exactly this.
I think a lot of the support for Trump this round was purely for general conservative policy, the economy, reintroducing fiscal responsibility and moving away culturally from the excesses of progressivism. The more Trump diverges from that core the more "mainstream" support he'll likely. Midterms are often seen as a referendum on how the President is doing. Not that it matters to Trump, he is surely going to practice what has IMHO become a serious problem in American politics for at least the last handful of Presidents, the ever-expanding rule by Executive Order.

 

[TankTop5]

Sorry, stepping in here without reading the entire thread or having much context. I've actually heard at least one American who supported the Trump campaign being a bit dismayed about exactly this.
I think a lot of the support for Trump this round was purely for general conservative policy, the economy, reintroducing fiscal responsibility and moving away culturally from the excesses of progressivism. The more Trump diverges from that core the more "mainstream" support he'll likely. Midterms are often seen as a referendum on how the President is doing. Not that it matters to Trump, he is surely going to practice what has IMHO become a serious problem in American politics for at least the last handful of Presidents, the ever-expanding rule by Executive Order.

I don’t disagree with anything you said. While I believe Trumps current comments there’s another possible explanation. There’s some major shifts coming in global alliances with China becoming more of a threat. Trump may be trying to look strong and unpredictable, his actions do not necessarily resonate with the Western world, but China may see it entirely differently. They just cut underwater communications to Taiwan and there’s a very good chance they could make a move before the inauguration.

 

[TankTop5]

I should also add the threat and likely terrorist attacks on US soil. We just intercepted terrorists transporting RPG-7’s and caught Iranian courtiers after they had transported manpads into the US in the last couple weeks. Estimated 1500-2000 radical Islamist terrorists trained in Afghanistan are now in the US. We’re in for a bumpy ride over the next few years and we’ll see if the left can sway popular opinion and blame Trump or if Trump can blame Biden and it’s anyone’s guess how that plays out. I think a return to more conservative values is what got Trump elected but I think that will be overshadowed by larger problems sooner than later.

 

[Trell]

I should also add the threat and likely terrorist attacks on US soil. We just intercepted terrorists transporting RPG-7’s and caught Iranian courtiers after they had transported manpads into the US in the last couple weeks. Estimated 1500-2000 radical Islamist terrorists trained in Afghanistan are now in the US.

You got a credible link of this?

 

[GO-NAD!]

Greenland makes a lot of sense but I doubt we’ll buy it, more likely it becomes a territory and I think he can pull it off. It has tons of known resources is largely unexplored and Denmark has done nothing with it. I think there’s 56,000 people there and it’s 1/3 the size of the EU. I think the biggest thing it offers is rare earth metals which China is hoarding at the moment and we’ve made it nearly impossible to mine domestically due to environmental laws but the need for rare earth metals is only going to grow. The only other source is Afghanistan or catching an asteroid so aside from those two options Greenland looks rather hospitable.

I know you didn’t mention Canada but Trumps comments there are just a negotiating tactic. Trudeau has really harmed their economy so they need to make some major changes quickly. I think there’s a really good chance we negotiate a new trade deal and Canada ends up adopting the dollar. If they open the taps on oil to the US and expand logging that could have positive effects on both countries quickly, lowering energy and building material costs would help everyone.

By what process would Greenland become a US territory? And, why do you think Denmark is doing nothing with it?

• Exploration
  Greenland has many companies exploring for minerals, including:
  
  • Bluejay Mining: Has four projects under development, including the Dundas Project in northwest Greenland
    
    
  • Ironbark: Developing a zinc-lead project at the Citronen site on Greenland's north coast
    
    
  • Tanbreez Kringlerne: An Australian-owned project that could make rare earths a major commodity
    
    
  • Neo Performance Material: A Canadian-owned project that could make rare earths a major commodity
    
    
  • 21st North: Licensed to explore Flammefjeld
    
• Mining
  Greenland has two operating mines, including:
  
  • Lumina Sustainable Materials: Produces anorthosite
    
    
  • Greenland Ruby: A Norwegian-owned company that produces rubies and pink sapphires
    
• Government
  The Government of Greenland has carried out resource assessments and is making natural resource extraction a central part of its plans
  
  
• Membership in the European Raw Materials Alliance
  Greenland joined the ERMA in 2021 to highlight investment opportunities and cooperate with other stakeholders
  

Greenland's mineral resources include:

Iron ore, Lead, Zinc, Diamonds, Gold, Rare earth elements, Uranium, Oil, Nickel, and Cobalt.

Trumps words may be a negotiating tactic, but words have consequences. His blabbering about a "stolen" election resulted in an insurrection.

Modern trade deals are supposed to be formulated on a "win-win" basis. Trumps thoughts on trade seem to be a blast from the mechantilist past, where trade was considered a zero-sum game - you only gained something from trade if the other side was losing something.

Canada provides the US with the majority of your oil imports, so the taps are already open. As for expanding logging, the US already has tariffs on Canadian lumber imports, as American lumber producers can't adequately supply demand or compete on price. If you want lower building material prices, putting tariffs on them won't help.

And, I don't see us adopting the US dollar. One of the advantages of a lower value currency, is that it makes exports less expensive. Taking on the greenback would negate that advantage.

 

[Trell]

Trumps words may be a negotiating tactic, but words have consequences.

He negotiates like a thug: Putting a loaded gun to your head.

@TankTop5 thinks that is just a fine negotiating tactic. He is isn't alone, though, as a number of GOP members of Congress argue the same.

 

[highfigh]

I would be incredibly radical. I would get rid of the Presidency for a start. There is far too much power invested in one individual.
The real problem is that at America's founding the French and their ideas held far too much sway with many of the Founding Fathers. That is understandable given the War of Independence.

But really the concepts of Henry Plantagenet when he conceived a house of Commons over a thousand years ago, has been much more durable and above all adaptable to the times. It also enables politics to be local, right at the grass roots level and up. The French system based on Rome, as is ours, has not been durable in other jurisdictions over time. Our law is based on English Common law and not Roman law as it is in most European countries and many others. So I say why not complete the circle and set up a system where you elect your local representative and the dominant party form the government? It is simpler, more representative and you can get rid of a rotter like Trump in a hurry. It also avoids endless election cycles and elections run six weeks, start to finish.

The Revolution was the Colonists' reaction to having lived under the thumb of a king and they wanted to make sure it never happened here, again. This country would be toast if the Constitution were to be re-written and one reason is that other countries would show up to pick its bones clean. How would you recommend stopping that when the borders aren't secure now? Would you put the military in charge? Should we install a Supreme Leader?

You seem to be forgetting that the US has almost 350 million people and the pool from which even local government is elected is filled with turds. Your area may be OK, but look around the country, to see the horror stories that are happening WRT corruption, excess, graft, etc.

How would you handle the matter of currency if the Constitution is suspended? Law enforcement? Diplomacy? Look at the monied class and think about how badly this would go if they find ways to install 'their' people.

You may be giving France too much credit (or blame, depending on how you view it)- could it be that the French people revolted because they saw it was possible, after assisting the Colonists?

If the system in England worked so well, why did your country have so many civil wars? England has had enough of its own problems that make the US look like a book club that went bad and even with its form of government, many of the king were absolutely horrible to the people of the kingdom.

 

[highfigh]

Trump did in 2022 call for the termination of the US Constitution:

>>>Former President Donald Trump faced rebuke Sunday from officials in both parties after calling for the “termination” of parts of the Constitution over his lie that the 2020 election was stolen.

Trump, who announced last month that he is running again for president, made the claim over the weekend on his Truth Social media platform.

“A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution,” he wrote. “Our great ‘Founders’ did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!” ...<<<

Trump rebuked for call to 'terminate' Constitution over 2020 election results

Former President Donald Trump faced rebuke Sunday from officials in both parties after calling for the “termination” of parts of the Constitution over his lie that the 2020 election was stolen.

www.pbs.org

And if Congress had anyone with balls & integrity, they would have eliminated any chance of him being elected again.

 

[Trell]

And if Congress had anyone with balls & integrity, they would have eliminated any chance of him being elected again.

This is your usual bothsidesism. Only a few Republican members of Congress have "balls & integrity", the rest, not so much, when it came to the impeachments of Trump.

 

[Wayde Robson]

I don’t disagree with anything you said. While I believe Trumps current comments there’s another possible explanation. There’s some major shifts coming in global alliances with China becoming more of a threat. Trump may be trying to look strong and unpredictable, his actions do not necessarily resonate with the Western world, but China may see it entirely differently. They just cut underwater communications to Taiwan and there’s a very good chance they could make a move before the inauguration.

Yeah, he's definitely ruffling feathers with his expansionist talk but I can see the sense in at least bringing up US interests abroad in the face of current world trends. It's unfortunate that when Trump does so it turns into a circus. That may be mostly Trump's doing, I try not to read too much into his words. But part of that circus is the media's reaction.

The truth is, China has been very expansionist with its B&R Init and economic entrapment of African nations. Russia attempting to enact... I believe it's the Dugin plan? Plus we've got a desperate Iran that's running out of defensive options against Israel and a home population that views the theocracy worse every year.

It's difficult enough to discern Trump's meaning when he shoots from the hip as he does but this is going to be an interesting four years.

 

[Trell]

Yeah, he's definitely ruffling feathers with his expansionist talk but I can see the sense in at least bringing up US interests abroad in the face of current world trends. It's unfortunate that when Trump does so it turns into a circus. That may be mostly Trump's doing, I try not to read too much into his words. But part of that circus is the media's reaction.

Trump threatening (mafia style) to invade Panama and Greenland is all over the news here too, in Europe. And the various governments are responding and planning how to deal with it. China and Russia are very pleased with Trump.

The truth is, China has been very expansionist with its B&R Init and economic entrapment of African nations. Russia attempting to enact... I believe it's the Dugin plan? Plus we've got a desperate Iran that's running out of defensive options against Israel and a home population that views the theocracy worse every year.

They are. China comes with money (in the form of investments) and respect, while Trump pisses on countries while he threatens them with violence or sanctions. That includes pissing and threatening close friends and allied countries.

It's difficult enough to discern Trump's meaning when he shoots from the hip as he does but this is going to be an interesting four years.

He's a malignant narcissist in mental decline, and from that perspective it makes sense.

 

[isolar8001]

 

[TankTop5]

Yeah, he's definitely ruffling feathers with his expansionist talk but I can see the sense in at least bringing up US interests abroad in the face of current world trends. It's unfortunate that when Trump does so it turns into a circus. That may be mostly Trump's doing, I try not to read too much into his words. But part of that circus is the media's reaction.

The truth is, China has been very expansionist with its B&R Init and economic entrapment of African nations. Russia attempting to enact... I believe it's the Dugin plan? Plus we've got a desperate Iran that's running out of defensive options against Israel and a home population that views the theocracy worse every year.

It's difficult enough to discern Trump's meaning when he shoots from the hip as he does but this is going to be an interesting four years.

Rufling feathers is an old school negotiating tactic, most have moved on from it but it’s very effective when negotiating from a position of power. Prosecutors use it daily to get get poor criminals to take plea deals knowing they don’t have the means to fight back. I think it would be best to learn to roll with it and see what his actual intentions are.

Greenland has the authority to become independent from Denmark but I think they are only NATO due to being a territory of Denmark. It is very strategically important so they need to be someone’s territory. I think if you see them vote to end their relationship with Denmark then we have the answer, they don’t have the means to remain independent.

 

[highfigh]

Yeah, he's definitely ruffling feathers with his expansionist talk but I can see the sense in at least bringing up US interests abroad in the face of current world trends. It's unfortunate that when Trump does so it turns into a circus. That may be mostly Trump's doing, I try not to read too much into his words. But part of that circus is the media's reaction.

The truth is, China has been very expansionist with its B&R Init and economic entrapment of African nations. Russia attempting to enact... I believe it's the Dugin plan? Plus we've got a desperate Iran that's running out of defensive options against Israel and a home population that views the theocracy worse every year.

It's difficult enough to discern Trump's meaning when he shoots from the hip as he does but this is going to be an interesting four years.

What about China going into Panama, almost right next door? They may as well move into Cuba.

 

[Trell]

A senior Greenlandic politician says "We know how they treat the Inuit in Alaska. Make that great before trying to invade us,”

Not too happy about the prospect joining USA. Perhaps they should think about border security and build a wall to keep those pesky Americans out?

>>>A senior Greenlandic politician slammed Donald Trump Jr.’s visit to the island as “staged,” and warned the United States not to “invade us” given its historical treatment of Alaska’s indigenous people.

Pipaluk Lynge, an MP from Greenland’s largest party and chair of the parliamentary foreign and security policy committee, told POLITICO that Greenland wants “our own independence and democracy,” not to be beholden to the U.S.

U.S. President-elect Donald Trump’s eldest son landed on the self-ruling Danish territory Tuesday and spent the day meeting with local residents, who he claimed were supportive of a U.S. takeover. But Lynge said it was a stunt.

“No journalists were allowed to interview him. It was all staged to make it seem like we — the Greenlandic people — were MAGA and love to be a part of the USA,” Lynge said.

...

Trump declared Tuesday he would not exclude using economic or military force to gain control of Greenland or the Panama Canal, in a dramatic threat that would reshape the global security architecture.

“We know how they treat the Inuit in Alaska,” Lynge hit back. “Make that great before trying to invade us.” ...<<<

Donald Trump Jr.’s visit was ‘staged,’ says Greenland lawmaker

“We know how they treat the Inuit in Alaska. Make that great before trying to invade us,” Pipaluk Lynge tells POLITICO.

www.politico.eu

 

[mtrycrafts]

.... “Our great ‘Founders’ did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!” ...<<<

Trump rebuked for call to 'terminate' Constitution over 2020 election results

Former President Donald Trump faced rebuke Sunday from officials in both parties after calling for the “termination” of parts of the Constitution over his lie that the 2020 election was stolen.

www.pbs.org

Yes indeed, yet there is no mention about gerrymandering to get the end you want.
We do have laws against fraud in elections and people are in jail for that. He just conveniently forgets to supply evidence of such mass events.