OK WTF just saw Blu-ray setup at BB

[cheapskete OCer]

I am seriously mad now. I just bought a sony sxrd 55" 1080p tv last year and loved it until yesterday, when i saw the blu-ray set up[ at best buy, now i have a toshiba hd a2 and have watched T3,casino,and lucky number slevin and they looked good but the blu-ray looked hands down amazing even my girlfriend after still being mad i bought a $600 HT sub said wow you should buy one of those, so i talked to the salesman at bestbuy and told him i couldnt believe the difference even though consumer reports said that blu-ray and hd dvd had the same picture quality. He asked if my tv displayed at 120hz? what is he talking about the refresh rate?
its funny their hd dvd setup didnt look as good as mine yet the blu-ray looked so good it didnt even look like a movie(thats the only way i can describe it)
I also cant believe he was honest with me a didnt try to sell me the player wich was on sale for $299

Am i screwed now until i get a new tv? if so why havent i heard anything about these 120hz tvs and why do they not say anything about that on the ones that have it for a selling point

I loved my tv until yesterday damnit

 

[jagxtype]

i have heard the 120hz arent all they are cracked up to be. Different brands have different pics. It might be how yours is setup too. I will update this post about what i heard of the 120hz if i can find it again.

 

[Seth=L]

I am seriously mad now. I just bought a sony sxrd 55" 1080p tv last year and loved it until yesterday, when i saw the blu-ray set up[ at best buy, now i have a toshiba hd a2 and have watched T3,casino,and lucky number slevin and they looked good but the blu-ray looked hands down amazing even my girlfriend after still being mad i bought a $600 HT sub said wow you should buy one of those, so i talked to the salesman at bestbuy and told him i couldnt believe the difference even though consumer reports said that blu-ray and hd dvd had the same picture quality. He asked if my tv displayed at 120hz? what is he talking about the refresh rate?
its funny their hd dvd setup didnt look as good as mine yet the blu-ray looked so good it didnt even look like a movie(thats the only way i can describe it)
I also cant believe he was honest with me a didnt try to sell me the player wich was on sale for $299

Am i screwed now until i get a new tv? if so why havent i heard anything about these 120hz tvs and why do they not say anything about that on the ones that have it for a selling point

I loved my tv until yesterday damnit

I am having trouble understand your post. Are you saying that HD DVD is inferior to Blu-ray or that your TV is inferior to the TV at Best Buy?

 

[highfihoney]

I wouldnt put it past Best Buy to sabbotage their HD display to make it look inferior to Blu Ray,strange business tactics seem to follow BB around,especially when they want to push a product.

 

[Gasman]

consumer report is correct, they are the same quality.

as well, 120Hz has nothing to do with it.
The only thing that would even make a difference is with panning shots/scenes.

As well, it is very likely as Honey stated, deceptive business practices.
Or just the simple fact, that one TV is set in torch mode, the other is not.

I personally have both BD and HD DVD, as well a total of 5 or 6 HD players, also this includes the different TV technologies (LCD, Plasma, & DLP)

The difference you are seeing is not from the BD player, it is from the TV settings.

See post # 4 here (shows a few of the discs that I have tested on both formats) http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=344270#post344270
quite a few of those movies I have doubles on, meaning the same movie on both formats.

And my comment on 120Hz at post #3 here (granted that is just a super quick post about 120Hz) http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38527

 

[Crackerballer]

Ok so then if 120hz doesn't mean anything, tell me why the picture looks so much better? I saw Pirates 2 on Blu Ray with the 120hz on a Samsung and let me say it was amazing.

 

[Gasman]

Who said it doesn't mean anything?
That is not what I said.

I said it will have nothing to do with the PQ, but 'may' correct judder.

If you want to buy into the 120Hz thing, be my guest.
Just make sure you have a player that supports 24FPS (not the normal 60).

 

[no. 5]

Am i screwed now until i get a new tv? if so why havent i heard anything about these 120hz tvs and why do they not say anything about that on the ones that have it for a selling point

A 120Hz refresh rate is made to be a selling point because 120 is divisible by 30 (frame rate of broadcast television), and by 24 (frame rate of movies), so what that means is 24fps content that is fed to the TV is processed less (or even not at all) than if the refresh rate was 60Hz. The only visible benefit would be smother motion.

However, it is my understanding that available displays which have a 120Hz refresh rate do not perform a 5:5 pulldown.

 

[GlocksRock]

did you check to see what type of connection each display was using to connect to the player? Also, the HD DVD player may only be 720p or 1080i, wheras the blu-ray player and tv could be using 1080p. There are several factors that could contribute to why one setup looked better than the other. But it could be the other way around just as easily, you could go to Circuit City and find a display where HD DVD looks twice as good as blu-ray, it all depends on how everything is setup, and how well the display is calibrated.

 

[annunaki]

What connection(s) are you using from your HD Player to the Televison? I would hope you are using HDMI. What are the settings you are using on your player?

The 120hz issue has nothing to do with it. It is over hyped and best buy's sales associates think it applies to all tv's including plasma

 

[jonnythan]

Ok so then if 120hz doesn't mean anything, tell me why the picture looks so much better? I saw Pirates 2 on Blu Ray with the 120hz on a Samsung and let me say it was amazing.

.... Maybe the TV they had is just way better than yours?

What kind of TV do you use?

 

[j_garcia]

I would say you need to make sure your set is calibrated properly and check your settings for your player as well. I have both and both look excellent. So far, the best BD titles have exceeded the HD DVD titles I've seen in terms of clarity and depth, but not by so much that I would say that HD DVD is inferior.

 

[niget2002]

Was the TV at best buy the same size as your tv? Were you standing the same distance?

The Blue-Ray display at the BB here is running on a 32" wide screen tv. standing 4-5 feet from it, the display looks Awesome... If I stood 4 feet from my 56" mitsu at home, it'd look grainy.

I'd think it was more of a difference in setup or tv than a difference between the blue-ray and hd.

 

[cheapskete OCer]

well my friend from work brought his ps3 today so i could see the blu ray and it looked about the same as the hd dvd the ps3 is 1080p though... i did some research and figured out was was standing out so much, some of the newer lcds
like the one a bb have a anti motion blur technology built into them and that makes sense becaue it did look crazy when the camera would pan around something like john tucker on pirates 2 hanging from the sail i kinda looked like the matrix panning action, so inbetween that and the refrsh rate it was a amazing thing to see, i guess ill just wait another year or so till they get all the bugs worked out of the anti motion blur or de edgeing whatever they want to call it it looked sweet although on occasion i did notice what almost looked like tearing on a pc monitor.

 

[mtrycrafts]

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its funny their hd dvd setup didnt look as good as mine yet the blu-ray looked so good it didnt even look like a movie(thats the only way i can describe it)

that should tell you something about how they prepare their setups to make one look poor and another better. They are pushing one, not the other.

..I also cant believe he was honest with me a didnt try to sell me the player wich was on sale for $299

Maybe a sales technique?

Am i screwed now until i get a new tv? if so why havent i heard anything about these 120hz tvs and why do they not say anything about that on the ones that have it for a selling point
I loved my tv until yesterday damnit

No, you are not screwed But we will not get into your personal life

As to that display, perhaps they over driven the TV, improper calibration to give that WOW factor, even if it is not an accurate presentation.

 

[annunaki]

I agree with mtrycrafts. Some displays are tweaked to look especially good on the floor. They are set up to have alot of "pop". They are usually in "torch mode" for brightness contrast, and backlight. They are usually quite far from an accurate representation.

I would agree that the Big box stores seem to be pushing Blu-Ray as opposed to HD-DVD. There are generally very few HD-Players set up and working if any at all.

 

[mtrycrafts]

"torch mode" .

That just reminded me reading the current Pop Sci on Hypersonic plane research and how they 'torch' the test chamber with methane gas to simulate the high temp operation at mach 6+

 

[annunaki]

That just reminded me reading the current Pop Sci on Hypersonic plane research and how they 'torch' the test chamber with methane gas to simulate the high temp operation at mach 6+

Mach 6, huh. Scramjet? Pulse Detonation Wave?

My friend's dad is an airline pilot. He flies out of LAX a lot. He is mates with an air traffic controller there. He was telling him that once a week for a while that there was a small blip on the radar that would come out of southern Nevada and be out well over the pacific in just a few minutes at about 60K-80K ft. in altitude. He estimated the speed between mach 5 and mach 7.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

Mach 6, huh. Scramjet? Pulse Detonation Wave?

My friend's dad is an airline pilot. He flies out of LAX a lot. He is mates with an air traffic controller there. He was telling him that once a week for a while that there was a small blip on the radar that would come out of southern Nevada and be out well over the pacific in just a few minutes at about 60K-80K ft. in altitude. He estimated the speed between mach 5 and mach 7.

That must be the Aurora that is not supposed to exist.

 

[mtrycrafts]

Mach 6, huh. Scramjet? Pulse Detonation Wave?

My friend's dad is an airline pilot. He flies out of LAX a lot. He is mates with an air traffic controller there. He was telling him that once a week for a while that there was a small blip on the radar that would come out of southern Nevada and be out well over the pacific in just a few minutes at about 60K-80K ft. in altitude. He estimated the speed between mach 5 and mach 7.

Yep, mach 6 is on the low end But, it is still very much in the experimental stage with small ones mounted on rockets to accelerate them to about Mach5 for the combustion to take place in the Scram jet. No pulses, a continuous flame. The air is compressed so much that it super-heats, add fuel and it ignites, no moving parts. But, it has no low end performance
Maybe he saw that rocket?