Ohio Democrat proposes 100% tax

[Biscokid]

Buckeye_nut is a radical right-wing nutjob. Debating with these people is useless because they will not see reason even if you could prove it. He calls all liberals socialist and yet I am pretty sure he does not know what that means.He is colser to a facist then the liberals he rants about are to socialists. He is is blind in that he thinks the right is 100% correct and that we live in a black and white world. Don't waste your breath.

 

[10010011]

Thats not even the real serious problem. Anybody who's been to Europe can tell you that human beings are quite capable of building a car the size of a Ford Focus that has 7 seats and gets 35mpg. Americans have been driving bloated cars for decades and wouldn't know a small car if it parallel-parked sideways in their rectum. In Asia it gets even better, I've seen a family of four riding around on a 50cc scooter!

Good point! Personally I am waiting for the Smart Car to be sold here in the U.S. (Rumor has it in 07 or 08 they will be available here)

Run one of these on Biodiesel and at up to 60 MPG now you are thinking smart.

The real problem with electric vehicles are 1. small range, and 2. recharge time.

Sure Joe Average can go to work and the grocery-store every day and not exceed his Zap! car's 50 mile range, but not any 18 wheelers, or ambulances, taxis, buses, police cars, cargo vans, ambulances, etc etc etc.

It's Joe Average that needs to be driving the electric car, not the semi-trucks and emergency vehicles.

 

[Buckeye_Nut]

I did Google it and here is something intresting I found...

To answer your question, YES. There is a lot more to it than the brief Wikipedia summary you googled.

 

[Buckeye_Nut]

Buckeye_nut is a radical right-wing nutjob. Debating with these people is useless

From what I have found, few debating from the left lack the necessary ammo to enter into a debate.

Where did I go wrong?

Was I wrong that the USA has not built a single refinery in the past three decades to keep up with a growing demand, because we've built these massive new floating oil refineries on our oceans?
Was Carters blunder, not really a blunder at all??
Is the 100% tax really a good idea?
Should we, in fact, employ price controls today, as the media suggests?

So far, you have added absolutely nothing to the debate except to disagree in typical 'lefty' fashion. If you do disagree, please explain yourself in an intelligent manner, and you'll get a worthy response.

So far, many responses sound like silly uninformed comments that sound as if they're coming from teenagers or young adults naive to the world of politics. Granted, there has been some good quality discussion, but at the same time, other comments have been quite hilarious.

I love a good ribbing! If you have the necessary ammo to describe & explain your position, and show where mine is wrong...... lay it on me

 

[Biscokid]

Good point! Personally I am waiting for the Smart Car to be sold here in the U.S. (Rumor has it in 07 or 08 they will be available here)

Run one of these on Biodiesel and at up to 60 MPG now you are thinking smart.

There is no reason to wait for that. I drive an 03 VW Golf with an average of a B40-80 blend and get 50mpg.

Where did I go wrong?

Where you go wrong is your polarized veiw of the world. Where you go wrong is calling everyone on here that disagrees with you kids when you have no base for most peoples age here. Where you go wrong is calling all farther left then you socialists. Where you go wrong is thinking the GOP has the people in their hearts more the the DNC. Both are equally disgusting.

 

[billy p]

It's threads like this

as to why Clint has to lay down the hammer!!

 

[Rob Babcock]

Keep it in your pants, boys. No ad homs, please.

 

[Audioholics]

If you do disagree, please explain yourself in an intelligent manner, and you'll get a worthy response.

Words for all to heed...

People, these threads would be much more educational and less rash if everyone would be quiet unless they actually have somethinbg to contribute in the way of facts or at least thoughtful opinions.

There is an abundance of "I don't have a real response so I'll call you nasty names instead and toss out a bunch of stereotypes and epithets" on both sides. Put forth some ideas and address the issues and not the poster.

And if you aren't addressed specifically (which you shouldn't be in these types of threads), try not to act as if every poster is describing YOU. Time to tone down the egos...

 

[10010011]

Is the 100% tax really a good idea?
Should we, in fact, employ price controls today, as the media suggests?

In this case I think it may not be out of line.

Before we got off on the Jummy Carter tangent I made a statement that was never responded to.

As I said before I am not against any company making a profit.

Record profits during wartime? This is just wrong!

So wartime profiteering (I called this racketeering previously) laws should be enforced.

Should they not?

 

[Buckeye_Nut]

Where you go wrong is your polarized veiw of the world. Where you go wrong is calling everyone on here that disagrees with you kids when you have no base for most peoples age here. Where you go wrong is calling all farther left then you socialists. Where you go wrong is thinking the GOP has the people in their hearts more the the DNC. Both are equally disgusting.

You're still doing the exact same thing. You have yet to site a single example of where my stated opinions are incorrect. Simply disagreeing without offering an alternative response lends to a boring debate. (actually... it isnt a debate at all)
LOL

 

[Sheep]

opinions are incorrect

Thats just it. They're opinions. But that doesn't mean you can spout off and call other the other opinions wrong in an unprofessional manner. The door swings both ways.

SheepStar

 

[Buckeye_Nut]

Words for all to heed...

People, these threads would be much more educational and less rash if everyone would be quiet unless they actually have somethinbg to contribute in the way of facts or at least thoughtful opinions.

There is an abundance of "I don't have a real response so I'll call you nasty names instead and toss out a bunch of stereotypes and epithets" on both sides. Put forth some ideas and address the issues and not the poster.

And if you aren't addressed specifically (which you shouldn't be in these types of threads), try not to act as if every poster is describing YOU. Time to tone down the egos...

Well said

I'll try to tone things down too. LOL Im just trying to prod those who disagree to offer some substance

 

[Buckeye_Nut]

In this case I think it may not be out of line.


Record profits during wartime? This is just wrong!

So wartime profiteering (I called this racketeering previously) laws should be enforced.

Should they not?

I can understand your point of view. On the other hand, I look at it very differently. Our military is at war, and it exerts pressure on global oil demand.

Don’t all private companies who experience increasing demand coupled with marginal supply stand to make more profit?? Why wouldn’t they?? First of all, you cant blame big-oil for the lack of supply, because lordy knows, Big Oil would certainly love to build more domesting refining facitilities, but they're surely not alowed to build additional big, dirty, and polluting refineries here in the USA. That is strictly verboten!! On the other hand, I’ll bet many military contractors(if not most) are making a heck of a lot larger of a profit margin than the 8-10% earned by big oil during wartime. Do you agree?

Having a world superpower at war will exert pressure on the global supply/demand balance, so why wouldn’t oil companies stand to earn more? What’s so excessive about earning a measly 8-10% return?

Record profits??? Bah humbug!! Those in the media crying about record profits are merely flaunting their socialist and anti-capitalistic biases in their reporting. If they offered an honest representation of the ‘big oil’ profits, there would be absolutely no oil controversy whatsoever. Not only does the leftist medium often ignore the real facts, but also they also completely ignore the size and scope of the oil industry while reporting raw profit numbers. Raw profit numbers are meaningless without scale!! To me, the whole profit & war situation is a basic lesson in Economics 101.

 

[Biscokid]

Record profits??? Bah humbug!! Those in the media crying about record profits are merely flaunting their socialist and anti-capitalistic biases in their reporting. If they offered an honest representation of the ‘big oil’ profits, there would be absolutely no oil controversy whatsoever. Not only does the leftist medium often ignore the real facts, but also they also completely ignore the size and scope of the oil industry while reporting raw profit numbers. Raw profit numbers are meaningless without scale!!

So do you think that the margin for oil companies has stayed the same over the last two years? Has thier cost of operation gone up with price to the public?

 

[Mort Corey]

So do you think that the margin for oil companies has stayed the same over the last two years? Has thier cost of operation gone up with price to the public?

You could ask the same of some home owners that have sold their properties at record profits in the last couple of years.......or owners of gold.

Mort

 

[Buckeye_Nut]

So do you think that the margin for oil companies has stayed the same over the last two years? Has thier cost of operation gone up with price to the public?

Profit margins aren't static in any industry. Considering that world oil demand is at record highs, and the supply chain can barely keep up, it only makes basic economic sense that profits are equally high. At no time has the oil industry profit margins been excessive. Since we as a nation have no interest in doing our part to expand our own supply chain, we should gladly except any price for a gallon of gas.

If you have a point you'd like to make, now would be a nice time to make it. At this point, you have yet to make a valid point of any kind in this thread.

 

[mtrycrafts]

I don't know about where you live, but the speed limit was never raised back above 55 here.

A few states, perhaps Texas is considering raising it to 75 or more.
I wonder how many drive 55 where you live, consistently
If only a few places have 55 and the rest is well beyond it, that is a drop in the bucket. Think what 10% gasoline savings would do across the country, if it is enforced.

 

[Audioholics]

Think what 10% gasoline savings would do across the country, if it is enforced.

Ha. Think of how much crime would be reduced across the country if cops got off the highway medians and back on patrol.

 

[Buckeyefan 1]

Buckeye_Nut: Profit margins aren't static in any industry. Considering that world oil demand is at record highs, and the supply chain can barely keep up, it only makes basic economic sense that profits are equally high. At no time has the oil industry profit margins been excessive.

True, profit margains aren't static in any industry, but when you have a monopoly, they're easier to set. I totally disagree the supply chain can barely keep up. If that were the case, OPEC wouldn't have slowed production along with non OPEC countries. Don't you see, they are the ones creating the demand by adjusting the supply.

Since we as a nation have no interest in doing our part to expand our own supply chain, we should gladly except any price for a gallon of gas.

So you're saying we should bend over and grab out ankles? The US can't compete in producing most items we import. So why should we set up new wells? Workers will just form unions, and demand $28 an hour with full benefits/pensions. Our production of steel in the US cannot compete with far east steel.

I propose we help Canada find an economically feasible way to separate their oil reserves from all the sand it's mixed in with, because their reserves can solve a lot of problems. The issue once that's done, is keeping OPEC the helll out of Canada, leaving the negotiating between the US and our northern friends. Canada is 2nd only to Saudi Arabia in oil reserves.

 

[Biscokid]

At no time has the oil industry profit margins been excessive.

Oh can you show me the metric that says this?

So you are against a tax(I am not saying I am for it) that would help the government care for its people/reduce debt because it will hurt the little guy. On the other hand you have no problem with the oil companies cashing in on these same little guys because supply is tight as a direct result of a war started by this administration.

If you have a point you'd like to make, now would be a nice time to make it.

My point is your views are hypocritical and do nothing to protect the people.