No Country For Old Men

stratman

stratman

Audioholic Ninja
The fact that everyone feels this way proves the movie made it's point....life is not fair, you don't always get what you want, good deeds don't always go rewarded, the innocent suffer through no fault of their own, don't take what isn't yours, don't be haughty or prideful, disaster can come knocking when you least expect it and many times the bad guy wins. The movie is a morality play folks, not Miami Vice. The point of the movie is simple.


If this movie were to end in a Hollywood fashion, it would be a cliché before the DVD hit the market, this movie will be one of those rare gems: hated and loved at the same time.:)
 
Jack Hammer

Jack Hammer

Audioholic Field Marshall
I liked the movie. At first glance the ending seemed a bit abrupt, and it was. But not as much so as it seems. The sheriff talks about retiring and being done with societal problems, suddenly the credits roll. AIR, all the main characters, except Chugar had a clear ending to their part of the story. He just kinda limped off and we're left not sure of him.

I really think that a lack of a musical score to cue us to the ending being just that, made it seem much worse than it was. Like it or not, I think the ending clearly fit the structure of the film. Meaning a lot was not shown and you were left to assume what happened or figure it out for yourself.

Plus, it's my personal opinion that we're only shown what the Sheriff is able to figure out. A lot of the story seems to be just that, what he imagines to have taken place. Basically it seemed to me like the whole story was the Sheriff telling a tale of events that had happened years ago, hence it being set in the 80's.

Jack
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
I saw this movie, then I asked the front counter for a portion of my money back. They asked me why, and I replied with "The film didn't have an ending, why should I pay the whole price?"

ZING!

SheepStar
:D:DLOL:D:D

I agree!
 
Griffy

Griffy

Audiophyte
I liked it!

I would of preferred a nice shoot out near the end, with the Mexicans, the cold hearted killer, Llewelyn and the Sheriff all taking shots at each other, which could of still delivered a weird, thought provoking ending, but with a bit more action :) The ending wasn't the worst but not great either. I was shocked when all of a sudden Llewelyn was dead in the swimming pool! Until then the film seemed to promise a bit of a grand finale in El Paso, and I'm disappointed that it never came :rolleyes:
 
jonnythan

jonnythan

Audioholic Ninja
I would of preferred a nice shoot out near the end, with the Mexicans, the cold hearted killer, Llewelyn and the Sheriff all taking shots at each other
That would have ruined the movie. It would have gone contrary to everything about the character of the movie and the goals of the filmmakers.

It would have made the movie much, much more typical and less memorable.
 
mouettus

mouettus

Audioholic Chief
That would have ruined the movie. It would have gone contrary to everything about the character of the movie and the goals of the filmmakers.

It would have made the movie much, much more typical and less memorable.
What he said.

But I still want an end to that movie!
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
The fact that everyone feels this way proves the movie made it's point....life is not fair, you don't always get what you want, good deeds don't always go rewarded, the innocent suffer through no fault of their own, don't take what isn't yours, don't be haughty or prideful, disaster can come knocking when you least expect it and many times the bad guy wins. The movie is a morality play folks, not Miami Vice. The point of the movie is simple.


If this movie were to end in a Hollywood fashion, it would be a cliché before the DVD hit the market, this movie will be one of those rare gems: hated and loved at the same time.:)
Everyone doesn't feel that way. Take me for example.

SheepStar
 
stratman

stratman

Audioholic Ninja
Everyone doesn't feel that way. Take me for example.

SheepStar
Yes Sheepman, there are two camps, those that feel the director/producers shortchanged them and those that think the movie is brilliant as filmed, so you see the very contradictions in the movie play out with viewers. "You don't always get what you want."

Many think the movie a dud because the ending didn't live up to their expectations, others happen to like the irony at the end.:)
 
Rickster71

Rickster71

Audioholic Spartan
The fact that everyone feels this way proves the movie made it's point....life is not fair, you don't always get what you want, good deeds don't always go rewarded, the innocent suffer through no fault of their own, don't take what isn't yours, don't be haughty or prideful, disaster can come knocking when you least expect it and many times the bad guy wins. The movie is a morality play folks, not Miami Vice. The point of the movie is simple.


If this movie were to end in a Hollywood fashion, it would be a cliché before the DVD hit the market, this movie will be one of those rare gems: hated and loved at the same time.:)
I have to agree with Strat.
Also I'll bet this movie will be topic for discussion in many a philosophy class, for years to come.
 
zhimbo

zhimbo

Audioholic General
Well, for me, the ending is what made the movie not just well-made, but Great. I very literally got goosebumps head to toe when the screen went black. I think it smacked me upside the head harder than any shootout or confrontation could.

There's no doubt the movie is playing with you the whole time. It lays out at least three possible "standard" endings, and pulls them out from under you one by one. I can see not liking that. But I did.
 
mouettus

mouettus

Audioholic Chief
CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?! lol

find the sweet spot between happy ending and no ending at all or one that lets you at the mercy of this psycho.
 
ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

Audioholic Overlord
You should start turning off all the movies you watch 5 minutes before the end so you can enjoy them all as much:D
Well, for me, the ending is what made the movie not just well-made, but Great. I very literally got goosebumps head to toe when the screen went black. I think it smacked me upside the head harder than any shootout or confrontation could.

There's no doubt the movie is playing with you the whole time. It lays out at least three possible "standard" endings, and pulls them out from under you one by one. I can see not liking that. But I did.
 
Tomorrow

Tomorrow

Audioholic Ninja
I didn't want to read this thread until we saw the movie...which we did tonight. Certainly it was the usual off-beat one can expect from the Coens. The movie was about violence and did it accomplish its tale? Oh yeah, it did.

I'll can say one thing about whether or not this is/was a good movie (because not being a movie critic, I don't know)....show me one other movie that has generated a 5 page-and-growing thread on AH. It's like the attention movie stars get...good or bad press is okay...just so long as people keep talking about them. Morality ending or not, people keep watching this flick because people keep talking about it.

Good movie? Dunno. Good for profit? Yessir!

(Okay, if I'm pressed...I'll give 3.5 out of 5 Suns-Ups from Tomorrow's Film Critique Club. ;))

PS: I'm impressed by some of your movie analysis and critic skills, guys. Good work and thanks!
 
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Gatsby191

Audioholic
No Country For REAL Men! HA HA

First of all, Just kidding on the title of my reply. My father bought this movie for me as a birthday gift, on Blu-Ray(can't believe at 44 I still get B-day gifts from everyone!) Well, my cousin joined my father and I for the watching of NCFOM. We liked the whole working up of the story, the cinematography really impressed me, and with a guy like Tommy Lee Jones in this film, who in almost every film he has been in, manages to make his charecter seem hard edged and determined, we all felt this movie would have some form of finality to it. But, for some reason, about halfway through the film, I just blurted this out: "Watch and see, they are going to leave it all in the air". (with that whole "Life just sucks sometimes and that's that" kind of message) I read everything about the typical "Hollywood Ending" being absent and that alot of people were looking for that type of ending, and that reason being listed as to why anyone who liked this film, being their reason for liking it (wow! I think I even confused myself with that one) It's not that this film not being typical . that caused me to dislike it, it's the fact that you had Tommy Lee Jones playing the "Old Style" type of law man, who was portrayed as the guy who was going to get his man in the end. The story led you to that, on so many different occasions during this film. But, because it was a COEN brothers film, and more importantly, because the COEN brothers knew it was a COEN brothers film, I feel that they felt like they had to make sure that they left everything to like 20 different possiblities in the end for no other reason but to be different. My feelings are this: BY now, everybody is basically aware of the fact that "Life Sucks" and more times than not, the nice guy does finish last.(Seems I heard that somewhere before). But, when you go out of your way to put the now OLD Tommy Lee Jones, in the OLD law man role, that just happens to be chasing the unstoppable BAD GUY, most people not only expect the typical ending where the old law man gets the "too smart for his own good" BAD GUY in the end, but after that whole "Prelude" to a well deserved painful and merciless *** kicking followed by a bullet to the forehead that the bad guy seemed to be working himself torwards--that this movie prepared us for, again, people (most of them anyway) not only expect that typical ending that I just explained, they really WANTED that kind of ending too! IMHO anyway. BTW, both my cousin, and my father, were very let down by the ending. They just expected something much more explosive to happen after all of those nasty looking murders went un-punished.
Also, in regard to the reply to this thread that asked, When is the last time that a movie that was considered to be bad(not sure he said bad or not), was able to have generated replies that took up as many pages as this one did? I'll throw this reply out there, though it uses a different sort of subject matter. and I quote: The People who like him, say they listen to him because they want to hear what he's going to say next, and the people who say they don't like him say they listen to him because they want to hear what he is going to say next. (That was the programming director's explanation of why HOWARD STERN was doing unbelievable share ratings, when he was so obviously hated by so many) The following week, the programming director for 66 WNBC in New York was fired.
Controversial material, always generates alot of talk, and ink. Both good and bad. NCFOM won best picture, so alot of people who didn't see it in the theater, got it on DVD or BD, as soon as it came out, thus, the controversy began as to why best picture? and why not best picture? That's how it's always seemed to be, to me anyway.
Sorry if I caused any long yawns all.:(

All the best to all. Joe B. :)
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
So maybe the Coens were trying to intentionally make yet another film that more or less forces you to discuss it and try to figure out what it ultimately was about? I like to discuss a good film with deep themes, but I don't like trying to figure out if there was even a point to it.
 
mouettus

mouettus

Audioholic Chief
People seem to forget that even if the ending kinda sucked, it doesn't mean that the movie wasn't good. I really enjoyed the story, role play and how it was filmed and all. That movie made me go through a great deal of emotions.
 
stratman

stratman

Audioholic Ninja
People seem to forget that even if the ending kinda sucked, it doesn't mean that the movie wasn't good. I really enjoyed the story, role play and how it was filmed and all. That movie made me go through a great deal of emotions.
Bingo! "The movie made me go through a great deal of emotions." You've captured the essence of the movie.

The movie has succeeded at what the director, writers and producers wanted to achieve.:)
 
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Gatsby191

Audioholic
NO ENDING FOM, Means NO ENDING FOM!

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So maybe the Coens were trying to intentionally make yet another film that more or less forces you to discuss it and try to figure out what it ultimately was about? I like to discuss a good film with deep themes, but I don't like trying to figure out if there was even a point to it.
My feelings exactly. And in response to another post, NO BINGO here! I really feel strongly about the notion, that the Cohen Brothers made this movie different, just to be different, and not to make any sort of specific point what so ever. I remember, back in highschool, when a few guys started to wear their CHAMPION brand sweat shirts inside out, rather than the normal way. There were a number of people, who followed suit, because they thought of it as a fashion statement. I saw it for what it was, a bunch of guys who looked like schmucks because they had their shirts on inside out. (ON PURPOSE NO LESS!)
A box of SH%T, is a box of SH%T, no matter how fancy the wrapping paper is, there is still SH%T inside the box!
So a movie that has no specific ending, is incomplete, no matter how many different conclusions it leads you to assume on your own, it's still a movie without an ENDING. Capeche?! IMHO as usual.:)
Oh, By the way, it turned out that 1st "Wearer" of that INSIDE out CHAMPION sweat shirt, wore it that way because he, being the SLOB that he was, had already worn it that week, and it hadn't been washed yet. So because there was a food stain on it, he just turned it inside out and wore it that way. (And he had a wardrobe that consisted of more clothes than your typical 16 year old high schol girl) That slob, was and still is a friend of mine today. He became a very well groomed and well dressed Doctor! :eek: (Figures right?)
Take it easy all. Joe B. :)
 
jonnythan

jonnythan

Audioholic Ninja
The movie had an ending.

I really have trouble understanding the ranting some of you are doing. So you don't get it. You don't have to.
 

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