New Speakers on Order! Also sold my Center for a Grand.

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Trebdp83

Audioholic Spartan
Those are nice speakers with a great looking veneer and that radio as center channel speaker stand is very cool.

As for the Onkyo settings, you can switch Volume display from Absolute to Relative using the onscreen Setup.

Do not confuse “Mono” Sound Mode with “Mono Music” Sound Mode. With “Mono Music,” all speakers will output the same sound in Mono at once.

When playing actual Mono signals, the Onkyo RZ50 allows for output to the Center Channel Speaker or the Front Speakers when using the “Mono” Sound Mode. Regardless of the output speakers, frequencies below the crossover setting of any speakers not set to Full Band will be sent to a connected subwoofer in “Mono” Sound Mode.

Using Direct mode, two channel signals will be output from the Front Speakers with no signal sent to a connected subwoofer and any and all room correction will be disabled. Onkyos do not feature LFE+Main subwoofer settings to get a signal to a subwoofer when using Direct mode.

Playing music in Direct mode at high volume can potentially damage the amps and/or speakers. Many damage their equipment chasing a bass dragon that cannot be caught when outputting sound from just the Front speakers.

In this particular setup, I wouldn't cross the Front and Center Speakers below 80Hz and I’d play with 100Hz to120Hz. Heights I’d do at 150Hz. Always make a capable subwoofer or subwoofers do the heavy lifting and take the literal heat off of the receiver and speakers.

Never use the Double Bass feature in Onkyo receivers when running Front Speakers Full Band to get a signal to the subwoofer. Those who want to compliment speakers set to Large/Full Band should get a Denon/Marantz unit and use LFE+Main.
 
Squishman

Squishman

Audioholic Field Marshall
Those are nice speakers with a great looking veneer and that radio as center channel speaker stand is very cool.

As for the Onkyo settings, you can switch Volume display from Absolute to Relative using the onscreen Setup.

Do not confuse “Mono” Sound Mode with “Mono Music” Sound Mode. With “Mono Music,” all speakers will output the same sound in Mono at once.

When playing actual Mono signals, the Onkyo RZ50 allows for output to the Center Channel Speaker or the Front Speakers when using the “Mono” Sound Mode. Regardless of the output speakers, frequencies below the crossover setting of any speakers not set to Full Band will be sent to a connected subwoofer in “Mono” Sound Mode.

Using Direct mode, two channel signals will be output from the Front Speakers with no signal sent to a connected subwoofer and any and all room correction will be disabled. Onkyos do not feature LFE+Main subwoofer settings to get a signal to a subwoofer when using Direct mode.

Playing music in Direct mode at high volume can potentially damage the amps and/or speakers. Many damage their equipment chasing a bass dragon that cannot be caught when outputting sound from just the Front speakers.

In this particular setup, I wouldn't cross the Front and Center Speakers below 80Hz and I’d play with 100Hz to120Hz. Heights I’d do at 150Hz. Always make a capable subwoofer or subwoofers do the heavy lifting and take the literal heat off of the receiver and speakers.

Never use the Double Bass feature in Onkyo receivers when running Front Speakers Full Band to get a signal to the subwoofer. Those who want to compliment speakers set to Large/Full Band should get a Denon/Marantz unit and use LFE+Main.
All good info. I will set those frequencies now. Last night when I was playing mono music from my turntable, I selected "mono" from the movie DSP's so it was only output to the center and sub, but I wasn't getting anything from the sub at the time.
 
Squishman

Squishman

Audioholic Field Marshall
I see now why I got nothing from my sub last night. Center was at 40 hz. I suppose I did that since my previous center speaker had a 15" woofer.
 
Squishman

Squishman

Audioholic Field Marshall
In this particular setup, I wouldn't cross the Front and Center Speakers below 80Hz and I’d play with 100Hz to120Hz. Heights I’d do at 150Hz. Always make a capable subwoofer or subwoofers do the heavy lifting and take the literal heat off of the receiver and speakers.
Set the surrounds also at 150 hz? How about LFE? It's at 120 at the moment.
 
Squishman

Squishman

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It sounded great last night watching an episode of Veep. I'm looking forward to another one tonight after the setting changes. I don't plan on using direct much or at all even.

Btw, my replacement woofers for the mini towers will be here on Tuesday.
 
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Trebdp83

Audioholic Spartan
If the Surround speakers are the same as the Height Speakers, then they should be set the same way.

The bass issue with the Center Channel crossover set to 40Hz is exactly the reason so many play things too loudly chasing the bass dragon.

The subwoofer is cut off at the knees with two channel signals when the crossover setting is too low and many raise the volume to get bass levels that cannot be reached with those settings.

The LPF of LFE should always be set to 120Hz. This is for signals in the LFE channel of multichannel tracks that have a 120Hz ceiling. Setting it lower will diminish the bass output when playing multichannel tracks with LFE. If there is a .1 in the signal, it has LFE.

Folks need to think of their subwoofer as a multitasking device when connected to the Sub Pre Out of an AVP/AVR. It handles the LFE channel info AND ALSO the lower frequencies from all of the other channels below the crossover settings for each. They are separate processes and many confuse them.

Some might consider my posts very basic but they apply to many AVRs and speakers. There are AVP/AVRs with advanced features concerning speaker and subwoofer settings but those are for configurations in which truly full range speakers and subwoofers are present.
 
Squishman

Squishman

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I just got a tracking number so he ignored my cancel request. Oh well. Maybe it'll be fine.
@Trebdp83, is there a setting on the RZ50 to add an amp across the front? I don't see it.
 
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Trebdp83

Audioholic Spartan
There is no special setting for using the pre outs to connect to an external amp. Just make sure your Speaker Configuration setting is actually 5.1.2 with Zone Speakers set to NO. Your Height speakers should be set as Front High(FHL & FHR.)
 
Antares

Antares

Enthusiast
I've often wondered what would be the consensus or generally what is best if playing music from Youtube, do you flip to stereo mode (that is, if your system is a HT) or just leave it in whatever DSP you have for TV?
Don't know about others but in my case it depends on the mood.
 
Squishman

Squishman

Audioholic Field Marshall
There is no special setting for using the pre outs to connect to an external amp. Just make sure your Speaker Configuration setting is actually 5.1.2 with Zone Speakers set to NO. Your Height speakers should be set as Front High(FHL & FHR.)
Yeah, that was set correctly. Speaker impedance is at 4.
 
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Seriously, I have no life.
What Meta speaker is that? That does not jive with KEF's specification.
Look at the lower left corner- the Q is chopped off a bit, but it's the Q11Meta. I searched online and downloaded the page as a pdf but it's too large, so here's a snapshot.

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highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
That curve is from KEF's literature. The impedance is 4 ohms or less from 100 Hz to 700 Hz, which is the real powerband. I suspect that curve is smoothed as it does not show the 3.2 ohm dip in the specs from KEF. Also I can not find phase angles anywhere. That is really crucial in assessing what amp you need.

I will have to get my measurements. If it is not bad I can loan him a Quad 405-2 which is stable to four ohms. I do have a couple of Quad 303s that are 45 watt per channel and designed in the sixties. They are unconditionally stable under all loads. The only amp I know of that can claim that, and the claim is true. You can even connect the speaker outputs together on those without blowing them up. They are the most bullet proof amps ever designed and by a big margin.
I'll find out what they (KEF) have as far as more detailed info, including phase angles, later today.

My Parasound A23 has never had a problem with my speakers and they dip a bit below 4 Ohms- I haven't heard anything about how well the company is handling the change in ownership, but apparently, they're still alive and kicking, so I'll check into that, too (WRT supply/inventory levels).
 

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