New Receiver vs Add-on Amp

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nm2285

Senior Audioholic
<font color='#000000'>I am currently running a Denon AVR-1604 but am unsatisfied with the sound. &nbsp;I find it a bit too dynamic in the highs to the point that it sounds tinny on my speakers (which have metal dome tweeters). &nbsp;The receiver also sounds a bit noisy, not quite as focused as some others I've heard (granted, more expensive). &nbsp;I would also like a bit more warmth in the sound, but that's not as big a concern.

Would adding an amp and using the denon as a pre-amp change the sound much or will it still have the characteristics of the denon?

I have my receiver selections narrowed to NAD T761, NAD C370 (int amp), and Marantz SR6300 (I've found them all around the same price)

Thanks!</font>
 
Rip Van Woofer

Rip Van Woofer

Audioholic General
<font color='#000000'>Hmmm...I think all of the problems you mention are more likely caused by your speakers, or the interaction between your speakers and room, than your receiver. Except maybe for the &quot;noise/lack of focus&quot; which could be that your amp is clipping (if you're usually turning the volume control much past halfway or 2/3rds, that's a possibility). Come to think of it, that could cause harshness in the treble, too.

Is your room highly reflective with lots of glass or hard surfaces, or sparsely furnished? That might be bouncing high frequencies (and everything else) around unpleasantly and also causing your &quot;lack of focus&quot;. Dampen your room with drapery or wall hangings if that's the case. Maybe add a bookcase or two. And if you have a hard floor get carpeting, or at least a big area rug!

Or maybe your tweeters are just a bit too bright or &quot;hot&quot;. Metal tweets often are. Try toeing your speakers out a bit or otherwise alter their position. Sometimes a position closer to the wall helps warm up the sound (but there are tradeoffs with bass, unless you have a sub). Or just turn down the treble tone control. I know tone controls are very unfashionable these days but I think that's one of many silly high-end prejudices.</font>
 
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nm2285

Senior Audioholic
<font color='#000000'>Rip-
Unfortunately, the room I'm in right now is awful for audio (it's a dorm room, lots of cement). The room I have at home is better though.
I tried a H/K AVR325 on my speakers just yesterday and I find that much of the harshness is gone; still crisp, just not harsh/hissing. &nbsp;More reason to blame it on the Denon.
So separate amp or new receiver? &nbsp;I like the idea of an amp but I'm not sure how/if that will change the sound characteristics.

Thanks for your reply</font>
 
Rip Van Woofer

Rip Van Woofer

Audioholic General
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nm2285 : <font color='#000000'>Rip-
Unfortunately, the room I'm in right now is awful for audio (it's a dorm room, lots of cement).</font>
<font color='#000000'>Ouch! Have you considered headphones?


I'm a big skeptic about amps etc., having different sound qualities and how we fool ourselves in that regard (won't belabor it here; search for my cogent arguments/bug-eyed fulminations on the subject if you wish) and I still thing you're going to spend money needlessly with other amps/receivers. Turn down the treble and tough it out 'till you get home, or a nice off-campus apartment.

My Webpage below also has info about the audibility of purely electronic signal paths, too.

Now, back in my day acoustical treatment for dorm acoustics cost from $5 to $10 a bag...</font>
 
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nm2285

Senior Audioholic
<font color='#000000'>Headphones aren't something I'm interested in. &nbsp;I already have a whole system, I'd rather just not change anything than spend the money on nice headphones I think.

Thanks a lot for your posts!</font>
 
zipper

zipper

Full Audioholic
<font color='#000000'>I have found that underpowering the speakers can have the effect you're describing. The combo of an average to poor powered receiver/amp with inefficient speakers will result in poor sound which just gets worse if you turn the volume up. You don't mention what kind of spkrs you have so this is just speculation. If possible,borrow an outboard amp to hook in to the 1604 &amp; see what it sounds like,then decide on your next move.</font>
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
<font color='#000000'>That sounds correct. Hey zipper, you want to come over to AMPS,PRE-PROS, &amp; RECEIVERS under NEED TO REPLACE YOUR A/V RECEIVER &amp; tell these other nuckle heads that!



&quot;I can't see any reason why adding an amp would make any difference.&quot; Please!
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nm2285

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<font color='#000000'>Thanks for your help all. &nbsp;I ended up getting an integrated amp...a bit from both worlds!</font>
 

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