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[hardcore_gamer99]

Ok so i had 4800h and had to sell it for some reason. I want to try marantz this time. I will be powering up dali rubikore 6+ rubikore centre channel+ opticon 2 mk2 as rear pair and 4 atmos speakers. Someone said we can only select 6 and 8 ohms in settings but all these speakers are 4 ohms only will it work? Also Can cinema 40 not do 7.x.4 without any amp? Also i am getting denon x6800h for 2.13lakhs INR and this cinema 40 for 1.75lakhs but cinema 30 is very costly here 2.75lakhs INR. How should i proceed?

 

[PENG]

Ok so i had 4800h and had to sell it for some reason. I want to try marantz this time. I will be powering up dali rubikore 6+ rubikore centre channel+ opticon 2 mk2 as rear pair and 4 atmos speakers. Someone said we can only select 6 and 8 ohms in settings but all these speakers are 4 ohms only will it work? Also Can cinema 40 not do 7.x.4 without any amp? Also i am getting denon x6800h for 2.13lakhs INR and this cinema 40 for 1.75lakhs but cinema 30 is very costly here 2.75lakhs INR. How should i proceed?

They all can power those speakers but how well each AVR will perform with them will depend a lot on:

1) seating distance
2) your listening habit, such as how long you listen to

For example, if you sit 4 meters vs 2 meters from the speakers, you will need roughly 4 times the output from the AVR than what you would need if you sit 2 meters from them.

If you listen to reference level (cinema loud), versus say 10 dB lower (still very loud for a lot of people) below reference, then you will need 10 times the output from your AVR.

For those so called 4 ohm nominal speakers, if you want to play safe without considering what your actual requirements are, then go with any of the X4800H, Cinema 40, X6800H, Cinema 30 but add external amps that are rated 200 W 8 ohms, 300 W 4 ohms.

From "power" output stand point, if you are going to use power amps, even the X3800H or the Cinema 50 will still be adequate.

The Denon versus Marantz topic seems popular on forums but in reality the difference is just aesthetic so highly subjective by nature. Other than that, some people believe Marantz use their so called "Soundmaster" to tune their devices to sound warm and musical, but there is no scientific basis, but mostly something created by some very smart marketing people. People who are subjective oriented, don't understand too much about the underlying science and bench test measurements will tend to buy in to such smart marketing talks, as they are good at providing a lot seemingly good reasons for why Marantz has that "signature" warm and musical sound. My suggestion is, if you can get the Cinema 30 for just a few hundred dollars, such as up to $400, and you like the better look, and perceived better build quality, then go for it, if more than say $500, and the X6800H looks fine to you, then save the money for something that actually matter, but again, that's just my opinion.

 

[hardcore_gamer99]

They all can power those speakers but how well each AVR will perform with them will depend a lot on:

1) seating distance
2) your listening habit, such as how long you listen to

For example, if you sit 4 meters vs 2 meters from the speakers, you will need roughly 4 times the output from the AVR than what you would need if you sit 2 meters from them.

If you listen to reference level (cinema loud), versus say 10 dB lower (still very loud for a lot of people) below reference, then you will need 10 times the output from your AVR.

For those so called 4 ohm nominal speakers, if you want to play safe without considering what your actual requirements are, then go with any of the X4800H, Cinema 40, X6800H, Cinema 30 but add external amps that are rated 200 W 8 ohms, 300 W 4 ohms.

From "power" output stand point, if you are going to use power amps, even the X3800H or the Cinema 50 will still be adequate.

The Denon versus Marantz topic seems popular on forums but in reality the difference is just aesthetic so highly subjective by nature. Other than that, some people believe Marantz use their so called "Soundmaster" to tune their devices to sound warm and musical, but there is no scientific basis, but mostly something created by some very smart marketing people. People who are subjective oriented, don't understand too much about the underlying science and bench test measurements will tend to buy in to such smart marketing talks, as they are good at providing a lot seemingly good reasons for why Marantz has that "signature" warm and musical sound. My suggestion is, if you can get the Cinema 30 for just a few hundred dollars, such as up to $400, and you like the better look, and perceived better build quality, then go for it, if more than say $500, and the X6800H looks fine to you, then save the money for something that actually matter, but again, that's just my opinion.

cinema 30 here is 3200 usd =2.85lakhs INR and denon x6800h 2400usd. Id i have to use amp then i dont think i need these models. i have small room length is 13 feet but i have habit of 70 volume. Even cinema 40 is 1982 usd here

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

cinema 30 here is 3200 usd =2.85lakhs INR and denon x6800h 2400usd. Id i have to use amp then i dont think i need these models. i have small room length is 13 feet but i have habit of 70 volume. Even cinema 40 is 1982 usd here

The x6800 and Cinema30 both have 11Ch Amp, so both can do 7.1.4 ATMOS without needing any additional amps.

X4800 and Cinema40 have 9Ch Amp.

 

[lovinthehd]

As far as the impedance switch setting try this article https://www.audioholics.com/audio-amplifier/impedance-selector-switch-1

 

[hardcore_gamer99]

The x6800 and Cinema30 both have 11Ch Amp, so both can do 7.1.4 ATMOS without needing any additional amps.

X4800 and Cinema40 have 9Ch Amp.

why 1000 usd difference then for x6800h and cinema 30

 

[PENG]

why 1000 usd difference then for x6800h and cinema 30

There are many reasons, that include the following:

- X6800H and C30 has the more expensive, much better DAC chips
- Two more power amp channels
- Slightly larger power supply (especially the C30)
- 13 channel processing, that's 2 more than the X4800H and C40
- Gold plated RCA connectors

Of the above, the only reason that I prefer the X6800H and the C30 is the better DAC, but in reality, most users will not likely be able to hear a difference between them and the X4800H, X3800H and the C50.

The difference in power output is almost meaningless, especially if you use external power amps for the front 3 speakers.

The difference between the X6800H and C30, for Euro 1000 is, in my opinion, ridiculous. The difference between the X3800H and the C50 is around Euro 300, and Euro 200 between the X4800H and C40 at least in Germany and France, that seems reasonable.

If you don't only need 11 channels processing, and you really prefer Marantz, then I would recommend the C40 or even the C50, and add a 3 channel power amplifier for the front 3 channels.

Assuming you don't sit more than 2 to 3 meters from the rear and Atmos speakers, the AVR's own power amps should be able to drive those speakers and if the AVR runs a little warm, a Euro 20 fan on top or blowing from the rear will fix that for you.

Personally I would still go with the X6800H because of the DAC but that's just me, as most people don't believe the better DAC IC would make any difference, and I believe they are smarter than me on that lol..

Power amp need: I would recommend it because if you need to turn the volume to 70 when using the X4800H, you could be pushing the AVR amps close to the clipping point during peaks in the contents. The resulting distortion will not likely be audible but for a few hundred dollars more, get a 3 channel amp to help the poor AVR.