New receiver input between Marantz, Nad, Anthem

Boilermaker86

Boilermaker86

Audiophyte
Hi everyone,

I currently have an Onkyo 805 and was thinking about upgrading at the end of the year to a new receiver. I was interested in getting more hdmi inputs, dual sub outs, 4k compatible, and a new version of room correction.

I was looking at the Marantz 8012, Anthem 720, and Nad 777. I also considered an older HK 7550 if I could find one.

I’m leaning towards the Marantz because I know an online dealer with a good price. I was looking at the Nad because of the things I have read about the Dirac live program.

One question I had was could I get a Marantz 8012 and add a separate dirac live program? If so what would it cost and what do I need.

I have not heard any of these brands and they only way I think I could test them is buy from crutchfield since they have a good return policy.

Does anyone own any of these and have an opinion on them? I know sound is subjective.

Current set up

Speakers:

Klipsch Rf-7 IIs, RC 64 II, RS-52 x 4

SVS PC12 plus
 

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lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
The Marantz is the only one with two sub pre-outs that you can do anything separately with (i.e. adjust level/delay separately via Audyssey SubEQ feature). The others have no more capability for a second sub than using a splitter on your current avr to two subs. The Marantz has the superior version of Audyssey, XT32, over the Nad's XT (your Onkyo has XT as well). ARC in the Anthem is different from Audyssey but each have their fans.

Haven't "heard" any of them but that's not how I pick an avr.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Yes that’s the one I was looking at Version 3
The page I looked at for the Nad 777 said XT. I see now there is a separate page for a Nad 777 V3....indicating Dirac. Can Dirac do two subs independently, tho? Didn't dig into the manual....
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
As to using the Marantz with Dirac, you could get a Dirac enabled unit (like the DDRC-88A) from minidsp if you use outboard power amps, that would be the only way you can insert the minidsp between the Marantz and the amp that I know of....
 
KenM10759

KenM10759

Audioholic Ninja
The Dirac included with the NAD T758v3 and T777v3 is Dirac LE. It's a $99 one time fee to upgrade to full Dirac Live. While the receiver itself can't independently control levels on twin subs, they can be measured and adjusted manually with Dirac Live measurements. It is often recommended to replace the cheap plastic mic with a UMIK-1 and employ it's calibration file.

Overall, very capable... And upgradeable receiver's.
 
M Code

M Code

Audioholic General
Hi everyone,

I currently have an Onkyo 805 and was thinking about upgrading at the end of the year to a new receiver. I was interested in getting more hdmi inputs, dual sub outs, 4k compatible, and a new version of room correction.

I was looking at the Marantz 8012, Anthem 720, and Nad 777. I also considered an older HK 7550 if I could find one.

I’m leaning towards the Marantz because I know an online dealer with a good price. I was looking at the Nad because of the things I have read about the Dirac live program.

One question I had was could I get a Marantz 8012 and add a separate dirac live program? If so what would it cost and what do I need.

I have not heard any of these brands and they only way I think I could test them is buy from crutchfield since they have a good return policy.

Does anyone own any of these and have an opinion on them? I know sound is subjective.

Current set up

Speakers:

Klipsch Rf-7 IIs, RC 64 II, RS-52 x 4

SVS PC12 plus
Regarding the HK AVR 7550HD..
I am still using 1 of the pilot pre-production samples, great high-current amplifiers, full-process Logic 7, digital bass manager for the 7.1 analog inputs, incredible room EQ SW designed with Dr.Toole's R&D team. The only issue I had was the small fan for the video board, had to pull out and re-oil its bearing. It does lack some of the later features but then again thats only pertinent if U would use them..
The HK 7550 was the last AVR designed in the USA while still owned by Dr.Harman, then all design/development went to China. Next generation of AVRs, HK bowed out of the AVR category.

Just my $0.02... ;)
 
Boilermaker86

Boilermaker86

Audiophyte
Regarding the HK AVR 7550HD..
I am still using 1 of the pilot pre-production samples, great high-current amplifiers, full-process Logic 7, digital bass manager for the 7.1 analog inputs, incredible room EQ SW designed with Dr.Toole's R&D team. The only issue I had was the small fan for the video board, had to pull out and re-oil its bearing. It does lack some of the later features but then again thats only pertinent if U would use them..
The HK 7550 was the last AVR designed in the USA while still owned by Dr.Harman, then all design/development went to China. Next generation of AVRs, HK bowed out of the AVR category.

Just my $0.02... ;)

That’s why I was considering it. I had an AVR 745 and it sounded great; I just couldn’t get a working unit. It has dual sub outs and for 4k I could just use the Second hdmi out on the blu ray player for now. It has one extra hdmi port than I have now, logic 7 and their own EQ which I thought was better than Audyssey. It’s just none have popped up on eBay lately. I heard Nad has similar sound, would it better to go with the NAD 777 with Dirac? Or maybe get a Marantz 8012. I thought the Harman Kardon did better with the sound especially the spacing out the sound and had great highs. Looking for something similar.
 
Joe B

Joe B

Audioholic Chief
I have an Anthem MRX 520 in my home theater set up (5.1) and I'm really happy with it. The MRX 720 has more channels, more power, Atmos, and DTS: X. The rest of the features they share in common. The other receivers you're looking at are really nice, but the Anthem has one thing those do not: Anthem's ARC room correction software.....which works. Anthem tends to go no thrills with the features and puts the money into the guts of the receiver instead. It is worth considering.
 
Boilermaker86

Boilermaker86

Audiophyte
I have an Anthem MRX 520 in my home theater set up (5.1) and I'm really happy with it. The MRX 720 has more channels, more power, Atmos, and DTS: X. The rest of the features they share in common. The other receivers you're looking at are really nice, but the Anthem has one thing those do not: Anthem's ARC room correction software.....which works. Anthem tends to go no thrills with the features and puts the money into the guts of the receiver instead. It is worth considering.
Thanks you, definitely on the list. Love what I am hearing about arc. What are your impressions?
 
Joe B

Joe B

Audioholic Chief
I'm sold on their ARC software. I don't have the option of doing extensive room sound treatment. My small living room (1,400 cubic feet) is packed with DVD/Blu-ray cases, the a/v equipment, 2 chairs, and a fireplace/wood stove at one end. There are no open walls, no where to put up sound treatment except at the ceiling/wall intersections, so why bother. ARC dialed the system right in. You can turn it on and off to do A/B testing, and you can definitely hear the difference. All components of my current system were purchased at the same time, so after speaker break-in I re-calibrated. As the room has the most significant impact on the sound you actually get out of your equipment, good room correction software or good room treatment is really required. Not everyone can afford a dedicated listening room or theater where they can treat the room to get the best sonic effect. ARC lets you do the next best thing in the living space you have.
 
KenM10759

KenM10759

Audioholic Ninja
I'm sold on their ARC software. I don't have the option of doing extensive room sound treatment. My small living room (1,400 cubic feet) is packed with DVD/Blu-ray cases, the a/v equipment, 2 chairs, and a fireplace/wood stove at one end. There are no open walls, no where to put up sound treatment except at the ceiling/wall intersections, so why bother. ARC dialed the system right in. You can turn it on and off to do A/B testing, and you can definitely hear the difference. All components of my current system were purchased at the same time, so after speaker break-in I re-calibrated. As the room has the most significant impact on the sound you actually get out of your equipment, good room correction software or good room treatment is really required. Not everyone can afford a dedicated listening room or theater where they can treat the room to get the best sonic effect. ARC lets you do the next best thing in the living space you have.
So does Dirac Live, and at a much higher level. I've seen (and heard) what both can do, and know which I'd prefer.

Dirac.
 
KenM10759

KenM10759

Audioholic Ninja
Simpler to use, but doesn't offer the level of individual speaker analysis that Dirac can to truly get the best out of them.
 
everettT

everettT

Audioholic Spartan
I'd invest in a measurement microphone and see what your current setup looks like. Knowing this information may help making your decision. I personally dont eq above the room transition frequency and use mini dsp for the eq and filters.
 
P

PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
Hi everyone,

I currently have an Onkyo 805 and was thinking about upgrading at the end of the year to a new receiver. I was interested in getting more hdmi inputs, dual sub outs, 4k compatible, and a new version of room correction.

I was looking at the Marantz 8012, Anthem 720, and Nad 777. I also considered an older HK 7550 if I could find one.

I’m leaning towards the Marantz because I know an online dealer with a good price. I was looking at the Nad because of the things I have read about the Dirac live program.

One question I had was could I get a Marantz 8012 and add a separate dirac live program? If so what would it cost and what do I need.

I have not heard any of these brands and they only way I think I could test them is buy from crutchfield since they have a good return policy.

Does anyone own any of these and have an opinion on them? I know sound is subjective.

Current set up

Speakers:

Klipsch Rf-7 IIs, RC 64 II, RS-52 x 4

SVS PC12 plus
First of all, objectively speaking, based on my spreadsheet that compares more than 60 AVRs, based on power output performance derived from soundandvision.com, the Onkyo TX-SR805 ranks top of my list!!

None of the AVRs on your list would even come close, so if you need more power than you have now, be prepared to add an external power amp rated for at least 200 WPC 8 ohms or 350 WPC 4 ohms.

Now on the topic of REW:

Going by hearsay (reviews, forum talks) and some charts posted on forums, it would appear that Dirac>Anthem ARC>Audyssey XT32. Going by my own experience, XT32 can do an excellent job, with the flattest graph I have ever found on the internet after some tweaking with the help of REW (free software, highly regardes on various AV forums). The tweaking simply involved trying different crossover points, and use the Editor App, a $20 option, shouldn't take more than a couple of hours altogether. If you don't want to learn how to use REQ, you can just go by ears and pick the best crossover points for the main channels, or set them all to 80 Hz and the results should be practically as good as that obtainable by using Dirac Live. You can also try the L,R byapss option, so Audyssey can only affect the Subwoofer's response.

Experts like Dr. Floyd Toole, @gene on this forum, indicated that there isn't much point to EQ frequency above 200-300 Hz, Anthem's default setting was 5000 Hz for their older MRX series (not sure if that changed for the latest models). Since I use REW (my seeing ears),and the Audyssey Editor App, I have control over the cutoff frequency point in order to get the best looking FR graph from my main mic position.

So based on the above, my opinion is that Audyssey XT32 + Editor App+ REW with UMik-1 mic ($75) will get you the best bang for the $.

One last point, some people claim that Room EQ is not good because it will improve you main mic position while messing up your other listening/sitting positions. That got me curious at one point so recently I spent some time using REW to measure the response at my other possible listening positions and found such claims to be incorrect, at least to the point I can say confidently that there is no need to lose sleep over such claims.

Now, let's look at your listed choices:

Marantz SR8012 - The Denon AVR-X4400H + Audyssey Editor App, for $920 is actually the best deal right now, obviously it is not the same as the SR8012, but I have to tell you that I just replaced my Marantz AV8801 (paid well over $3,000 only 5 years ago) with the Denon and am very happy with my decision. Having just experienced this downgrade (price wise),or upgrade (feature/performance wise),I am almost certain that I will NOT ever go back to separates or flag ship AVRs. It is just too much of an investment for something that one will not likely keep for longer than 5 years.

Anthem MRX720 - If you are sure you won't need more than 7 channels, and the latest features that are not available on this unit, then it can be a good choice if you can get one on clearance for under $1,000 brand new. Even then, I cannot think of one single reason that it could be better than the cheaper AVR-X4400H, or SR7012, or even the SR6012 that is half a notch below. Anthem ARC is good, but I have not seen a better posted plot than my own XT32 plots even if we ignore the frequencies above 200 Hz.

NAD T777 - Nice modular concept, and Dirac Live is a plus, but you will end up paying much more for less overall, in terms of power output (based on past bench test data) and features. Note that NAD has excellent IFH dynamic ratings, but those ratings are based on IHF standard, that is for a very short duration. NAD literatures might not have mentioned the test duration and/or their method of tests, but if they went by IHF for dynamic rating, it wouldn't be longer than a 200 ms tone burst. Using the same kind of tone burst tests, most D&M AVRs in the same price range probably can perform just as well. A $899 AVR-4400H used as prepro with external power amps $1,300 can certainly do much better and you will likely pay less and have more in the end.
 
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Boilermaker86

Boilermaker86

Audiophyte
Thanks for all the replies. I watched the new audioholics video on the Anthem.....I like what he said about the ARC room correction system. I especially liked the part about better bass management and the highs were detailed and less fatigue than the integra. Great video, something to consider. It seems like any new receiver won’t be as powerful as my 805. Onkyo made that ting too well! Lol
 
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Boilermaker86

Boilermaker86

Audiophyte
First of all, objectively speaking, based on my spreadsheet that compares more than 60 AVRs, based on power output performance derived from soundandvision.com, the Onkyo TX-SR805 ranks top of my list!!

None of the AVRs on your list would even come close, so if you need more power than you have now, be prepared to add an external power amp rated for at least 200 WPC 8 ohms or 350 WPC 4 ohms.

Now on the topic of REW:

Going by hearsay (reviews, forum talks) and some charts posted on forums, it would appear that Dirac>Anthem ARC>Audyssey XT32. Going by my own experience, XT32 can do an excellent job, with the flattest graph I have ever found on the internet after some tweaking with the help of REW (free software, highly regardes on various AV forums). The tweaking simply involved trying different crossover points, and use the Editor App, a $20 option, shouldn't take more than a couple of hours altogether. If you don't want to learn how to use REQ, you can just go by ears and pick the best crossover points for the main channels, or set them all to 80 Hz and the results should be practically as good as that obtainable by using Dirac Live. You can also try the L,R byapss option, so Audyssey can only affect the Subwoofer's response.

Experts like Dr. Floyd Toole, @gene on this forum, indicated that there isn't much point to EQ frequency above 200-300 Hz, Anthem's default setting was 5000 Hz for their older MRX series (not sure if that changed for the latest models). Since I use REW (my seeing ears),and the Audyssey Editor App, I have control over the cutoff frequency point in order to get the best looking FR graph from my main mic position.

So based on the above, my opinion is that Audyssey XT32 + Editor App+ REW with UMik-1 mic ($75) will get you the best bang for the $.

One last point, some people claim that Room EQ is not good because it will improve you main mic position while messing up your other listening/sitting positions. That got me curious at one point so recently I spent some time using REW to measure the response at my other possible listening positions and found such claims to be incorrect, at least to the point I can say confidently that there is no need to lose sleep over such claims.

Now, let's look at your listed choices:

Marantz SR8012 - The Denon AVR-X4400H + Audyssey Editor App, for $920 is actually the best deal right now, obviously it is not the same as the SR8012, but I have to tell you that I just replaced my Marantz AV8801 (paid well over $3,000 only 5 years ago) with the Denon and am very happy with my decision. Having just experienced this downgrade (price wise),or upgrade (feature/performance wise),I am almost certain that I will NOT ever go back to separates or flag ship AVRs. It is just too much of an investment for something that one will not likely keep for longer than 5 years.

Anthem MRX720 - If you are sure you won't need more than 7 channels, and the latest features that are not available on this unit, then it can be a good choice if you can get one on clearance for under $1,000 brand new. Even then, I cannot think of one single reason that it could be better than the cheaper AVR-X4400H, or SR7012, or even the SR6012 that is half a notch below. Anthem ARC is good, but I have not seen a better posted plot than my own XT32 plots even if we ignore the frequencies above 200 Hz.

NAD T777 - Nice modular concept, and Dirac Live is a plus, but you will end up paying much more for less overall, in terms of power output (based on past bench test data) and features. Note that NAD has excellent IFH dynamic ratings, but those ratings are based on IHF standard, that is for a very short duration. NAD literatures might not have mentioned the test duration and/or their method of tests, but if they went by IHF for dynamic rating, it wouldn't be longer than a 200 ms tone burst. Using the same kind of tone burst tests, most D&M AVRs in the same price range probably can perform just as well. A $899 AVR-4400H used as prepro with external power amps $1,300 can certainly do much better and you will likely pay less and have more in the end.
Thanks for all the info....I didn’t know you could get the 720 for $1000 on clearance. Have any ideas where? I know a dealer with a good price on the Marantz but not for the Anthem.

Really really good info again
 

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