New denon receivers up on their website

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Denon is still on top of my list, but just below Anthem Statement D2v/ARC1.

...Gennum VXP with ARC1 Automatic Room EQ.

You think the ARC1 is better than Audyssey & Gennum VXP is better than HQV Realta?

Because I'm pretty sure the THD, SNR, & Crosstalk of the Denon AVP-1 is better than the Anthem, and the HQV Video score on the AVP-1 was perfect 130/130 on Audioholics test.

 

[Lordoftherings]

A very personal call, based on smart thinking.

You think the ARC1 is better than Audyssey & Gennum VXP is better than HQV Realta?

Because I'm pretty sure the THD, SNR, & Crosstalk of the Denon AVP-1 is better than the Anthem, and the HQV Video score on the AVP-1 was perfect 130/130 on Audioholics test.

Well the Gennum VXP is a state-of-the-art video processor, one of the very best in the world.
I don't compare it with the HQV Realta, which is also first rate.

Between these two video processors, it will come down to their small differences on picture adjustments, implementations and video quality minutia.
So, I don't think that one is better than the other one, they are both excellent.

And as for ARC1 compared to Audyssey MultEQ XT PRO, again, they are both state-of-the-art. I think it's only a question of personal preference in your own room with your speakers. Personally, I lean more towards ARC1 for a more accurate EQ, without too much deviation, but it's only my own opinion.

And as for THD, S/N and Crosstalk, I don't think that it matters at all with these two great audio/video processors, you wouldn't notice any difference at all.

In the end, it's a tough call, but after many readings, and customer service favored big time by Anthem owners, I am leaning more towards Anthem.
Anthem ARC1 works perfectly, and the Gennum VXP also does.
Plus the Anthem D2v is well build too, with the best internal parts that are very well implemented for top notch performance audio and video wise.
The AVP-A1HDCI is also top notch, nothing to take away from it.

From what I read, the Sound of the Anthem is very detailed and very high end, with finesse in it's refinement and subtility, smooth and clear at the same time. And the big plus is the excellent customer service, plus upgradeable architecture. So, it's all about fine tuning with your own brains...
And Anthem seems to match this definition better than the Denon.

Bob

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Well the Gennum VXP is a state-of-the-art video processor, one of the very best in the world.
I don't compare it with the HQV Realta, which is also first rate.

Between these two video processors, it will come down to their small differences on picture adjustments, implementations and video quality minutia.
So, I don't think that one is better than the other one, they are both excellent.

And as for ARC1 compared to Audyssey MultEQ XT PRO, again, they are both state-of-the-art. I think it's only a question of personal preference in your own room with your speakers. Personally, I lean more towards ARC1 for a more accurate EQ, without too much deviation, but it's only my own opinion.

And as for THD, S/N and Crosstalk, I don't think that it matters at all with these two great audio/video processors, you wouldn't notice any difference at all.

In the end, it's a tough call, but after many readings, and customer service favored big time by Anthem owners, I am leaning more towards Anthem.
Anthem ARC1 works perfectly, and the Gennum VXP also does.
Plus the Anthem D2v is well build too, with the best internal parts that are very well implemented for top notch performance audio and video wise.
The AVP-A1HDCI is also top notch, nothing to take away from it.

From what I read, the Sound of the Anthem is very detailed and very high end, with finesse in it's refinement and subtility, smooth and clear at the same time. And the big plus is the excellent customer service, plus upgradeable architecture. So, it's all about fine tuning with your own brains...
And Anthem seems to match this definition better than the Denon.

Bob

And they both offer the 2 yr warranty, instead of the 5 yr warranty like Emotiva and Outlaw?

My projector has the Gennum VXP, and my Denons (3800BDCI & 5308CI) have the Silicon Optix Realta.

I've always thought that Realta was better so I let the Denon do the video processing. But I guess it's a toss up all along.

 

[bigred7078]

Well the Gennum VXP is a state-of-the-art video processor, one of the very best in the world.
I don't compare it with the HQV Realta, which is also first rate.

Between these two video processors, it will come down to their small differences on picture adjustments, implementations and video quality minutia.
So, I don't think that one is better than the other one, they are both excellent.

And as for ARC1 compared to Audyssey MultEQ XT PRO, again, they are both state-of-the-art. I think it's only a question of personal preference in your own room with your speakers. Personally, I lean more towards ARC1 for a more accurate EQ, without too much deviation, but it's only my own opinion.

And as for THD, S/N and Crosstalk, I don't think that it matters at all with these two great audio/video processors, you wouldn't notice any difference at all.

In the end, it's a tough call, but after many readings, and customer service favored big time by Anthem owners, I am leaning more towards Anthem.
Anthem ARC1 works perfectly, and the Gennum VXP also does.
Plus the Anthem D2v is well build too, with the best internal parts that are very well implemented for top notch performance audio and video wise.
The AVP-A1HDCI is also top notch, nothing to take away from it.

From what I read, the Sound of the Anthem is very detailed and very high end, with finesse in it's refinement and subtility, smooth and clear at the same time. And the big plus is the excellent customer service, plus upgradeable architecture. So, it's all about fine tuning with your own brains...
And Anthem seems to match this definition better than the Denon.

Bob

+1 and don't forget about the upgrade support that Anthem has. That alone is worth it.

 

[Lordoftherings]

And they both offer the 2 yr warranty, instead of the 5 yr warranty like Emotiva and Outlaw?

My projector has the Gennum VXP, and my Denons (3800BDCI & 5308CI) have the Silicon Optix Realta.

I've always thought that Realta was better so I let the Denon do the video processing. But I guess it's a toss up all along.

Lol. I won't argue here. And you can always buy extra warranty time to equate things up with Emotiva and Outlaw.

+1 and don't forget about the upgrade support that Anthem has. That alone is worth it.

Hey Steve, I'm glad that you agree; and the upgrade support from Anthem was part of the customer service and upgradeable architecture that I already mentioned in my post.

Regards to you both, gentleman,

Bob

 

[Civilian]

And also, the vast majority of DVD-Audio multichannel recordings are copyrighted and cannot be play through that connection (Denon Link).

Bob

Just a quick correction that DVDA MC can be played through Denon Link from 2nd on up. SACD was not included till DL 3rd gen.

 

[VegasBuiltRebel]

Denon, Pioneer, or Other

I've been researching receivers to get for my Klipsch system. My system consists of: Klipsch RF-82 fronts, RC-62 center, RS-52 surrounds, and a JL Audio Fathom f113 subwoofer. I think I've narrowed my search down to Pioneer's SC-25 or Denon's AVR-4310CI and AVR-3808CI.

I'm upgrading because I want a receiver that: has DTS HDMA, Dolby True HD, has a decent wattage per channel rating to tide me over until I can get a separate amp, and a good speaker calibration system. Features I don't really care for: video upscaling, HD radio/satellite radio, and Dolby Pro Logic IIz (unless you can convince me that I should care about these features).

The Denon 3808 is attractive because I can possibly get it for as low as $900 which would allow me to save money for a second sub. I've heard the only difference between the 3808 and the 4310 is HD radio. So would going with the 4310 be a waste?

Sorry for long post but I need some help. Who's gonna convince me to pull the trigger on a Denon?

 

[Lordoftherings]

Just a quick correction that DVDA MC can be played through Denon Link from 2nd on up. SACD was not included till DL 3rd gen.

Oh, they can be played, all right no problem, but only the ones that are not copyrighted.
Which means, you're out of luck with all the Warner Bros. ones.

* By the way, Welcome to Audioholics.

Cheers,
Bob

Note: As far as I'm concern, DVD-Audio is a dead format long gone and buried deep down,
or incinerated and spreaded by the winds from the four corners of the globe.

 

[Lordoftherings]

I've been researching receivers to get for my Klipsch system. My system consists of: Klipsch RF-82 fronts, RC-62 center, RS-52 surrounds, and a JL Audio Fathom f113 subwoofer. I think I've narrowed my search down to Pioneer's SC-25 or Denon's AVR-4310CI and AVR-3808CI.

I'm upgrading because I want a receiver that: has DTS HDMA, Dolby True HD, has a decent wattage per channel rating to tide me over until I can get a separate amp, and a good speaker calibration system. Features I don't really care for: video upscaling, HD radio/satellite radio, and Dolby Pro Logic IIz (unless you can convince me that I should care about these features).

The Denon 3808 is attractive because I can possibly get it for as low as $900 which would allow me to save money for a second sub. I've heard the only difference between the 3808 and the 4310 is HD radio. So would going with the 4310 be a waste?

Sorry for long post but I need some help. Who's gonna convince me to pull the trigger on a Denon?

Hey Vegas, Welcome to Audioholics man.

The best match for your Klipsch speakers is definitively a Denon receiver.
The AVR-4310CI is the better one, but if you take money into consideration, the AVR-3808CI is definitively the better deal. Go with the 3808CI, you won't give much at all.

Cheers,
Bob

 

[VegasBuiltRebel]

Go with the 3808CI, you won't give much at all.

Thanks for the welcome and advice.

What would I be giving up by going with the 3808CI? I have a serious case of upgradeitus and a bad problem with buyer's remorse when it comes to a/v gear (I've been through 3 HDTVs in the past three years. I finally settled on a Kuro). Just don't want any voices in my head saying "you should've got this."

 

[Lordoftherings]

Thanks for the welcome and advice.

What would I be giving up by going with the 3808CI? I have a serious case of upgradeitus and a bad problem with buyer's remorse when it comes to a/v gear (I've been through 3 HDTVs in the past three years. I finally settled on a Kuro). Just don't want any voices in my head saying "you should've got this."

We all have the same problem than you man. But if we always wait for the next one, we would never enjoy anything that is present, right?
It's like anything else in life.

If you don't mind waiting till about September or October, get the Denon AVR-4810CI, that'll be the one to beat at that time, my best guess,
It retails for three grand, but I'm sue will be available for less, perhaps $2,500 USA. Then, if you wait a bit longer, it will be two grand; but then, by that time, there will be another better receiver just about to be released.
So, do you see that crazyness that gets to all of us?

What receiver are you using right now?

Did you check the thread of the Denon AVR-4310CI at AVS?
You know already the price difference from the 3803CI and the 4310CI, right?
Me, if I was you, and you have already something to play movies and music from, I would wait for the 4810CI.

Congrats on your Kuro, it's the best plasma there is, unless you don't have the top of the line as is.
Anyway, the 3808CI at about $900 or so, is a great receiver, and ONLY YOU CAN MAKE THAT CHOICE. Just play your cards right, that's all.

Cheers,
Bob

 

[VegasBuiltRebel]

We all have the same problem than you man. But if we always wait for the next one, we would never enjoy anything that is present, right?
It's like anything else in life.

What receiver are you using right now?

You should be a/v addiction shrink. I'm running a budget Yamaha receiver right now, model number is RX-V559 so I kind of have big expectations for this upgrade. I was hoping to spend about $2000 max but it might be worth stretching my budget and patience for the 4810CI. "Get the Denon AVR-4810CI, that'll be the one to beat at that time." That's the comment that got me.

Unfortunately the electronics store I like to use, Ultimate Electronics in Las Vegas, pretty much sticks to the MSRP recommended by the manufacturer. So $2,500 for a receiver listed at $3000 might be a stretch. But if I'm patient and wait till fall I'll have some extra cash saved up anyway. I know there's better deals online but I like supporting the local economy and they've been good to me. Thanks again for the advice.

 

[Lordoftherings]

You should be a/v addiction shrink. I'm running a budget Yamaha receiver right now, model number is RX-V559 so I kind of have big expectations for this upgrade. I was hoping to spend about $2000 max but it might be worth stretching my budget and patience for the 4810CI. "Get the Denon AVR-4810CI, that'll be the one to beat at that time." That's the comment that got me.

Unfortunately the electronics store I like to use, Ultimate Electronics in Las Vegas, pretty much sticks to the MSRP recommended by the manufacturer. So $2,500 for a receiver listed at $3000 might be a stretch. But if I'm patient and wait till fall I'll have some extra cash saved up anyway. I know there's better deals online but I like supporting the local economy and they've been good to me. Thanks again for the advice.

LOL. I luv it.

Yep, I'm not the only one that think the Denon AVR-4810CI is again the real deal.

But the 3808 is great man, and you don't really need to spend more than this if your sytem is a humble one, you know what I mean.

Thanks for your pleasant response, I enjoyed it.

And be careful with all that gambling over there in Vegas, you might loose all your savings, and it's then bye bye to the 4810.

Bob

 

[AVRat]

Vegas, go for the 3808. You don't seem to need any of the additional features that the 43/4810 offers.

 

[Lordoftherings]

Vegas, go for the 3808. You don't seem to need any of the additional features that the 43/4810 offers.

Think of it, I agree. And you'll be able to enjoy it RIGHT NOW.
And not tomorrow, for three times the price.

 

[Civilian]

Oh, they can be played, all right no problem, but only the ones that are not copyrighted.
Which means, you're out of luck with all the Warner Bros. ones.

Guess I never ran across any from WB, and guess now that I never will. DVDA and SACD do sound so very magical at "reference levels". Can't wait to hear what BR has to offer. Looking forward to replacing my 4806 with the 4810.

 

[VegasBuiltRebel]

Vegas, go for the 3808. You don't seem to need any of the additional features that the 43/4810 offers.

Man the 3808 for under $1k is so tempting (if I can even get that price, still haven't called my electronics store to check the price). I could get a sweet amp or second Fathom f113 sub in no time if I went this route. LordoftheRings or anyone for that matter: do you have a recommendation regarding an amp for my Klipsch system coupled with a possible Denon receiver?

I've been looking at the Emotiva XPA-5, Rotel's RMB-1095, and to a lesser extent, Parasound's 5250. I know the Emotivas have a good reputation as being the best bang for your buck. They also have a good reputation on Klipsch forums. But if I can get more and better quality bang for a little more buck I'm willing to stretch my budget. Also, if you were in my position, would you get the amp or second subwoofer first?

 

[Lordoftherings]

Guess I never ran across any from WB, and guess now that I never will. DVDA and SACD do sound so very magical at "reference levels". Can't wait to hear what BR has to offer. Looking forward to replacing my 4806 with the 4810.

Yes it's true bro, most of Warner Bros titles on DVD Audio are copyrighted, and you cannot output them from their high resolution audio soundtracks though a direct digital connection. Oh well, so much for the future past.

SACD, no problem here, and it's a much better format too. No need to have a screen display to play them. Plus the sound, like you said, is truly magic, meaning excellent audio quality recordings. Yep, turn it up too.

Blu-ray for music is also simply AMAZINGLY GOOD.
* Check out the Blu-ray disc of "John Mayer - Where the Light is - Live in Los Angeles". That's how good bro, simply SUBLIME.

*** The Denon AVR-4810CI will be THEE ONE TO GET, that's for sure bro.

You have a great day,
Bob

 

[VegasBuiltRebel]

Bad News Good News

Went to Ultimate Electronics today and bought a new receiver. Bad news is they didn't have the Denon 3808CI for $899 that I was looking for. The good news is I got a Denon 4310CI and they gave me a %15 discount on it which took off about $400. All said and done I paid about $1900 tax and 3yr warranty included. Spent more than I expected to but I don't have to worry about voices in my head saying "you should've gotten the newest receiver," and I'll just have to be a little more patient saving up for my second subwoofer that I wanted. No big deal. Have to work tonight but I have the next two days off to play with my new receiver. I know some of you probably want a review/impressions of this new receiver. I'm no expert by any means so I can't really give a professional grade review. So expect something along the lines of "This new receiver is a HUGE improvement" or "my DENON is AWESOME!"

 

[Lordoftherings]

Right on.

Went to Ultimate Electronics today and bought a new receiver. Bad news is they didn't have the Denon 3808CI for $899 that I was looking for. The good news is I got a Denon 4310CI and they gave me a %15 discount on it which took off about $400. All said and done I paid about $1900 tax and 3yr warranty included. Spent more than I expected to but I don't have to worry about voices in my head saying "you should've gotten the newest receiver," and I'll just have to be a little more patient saving up for my second subwoofer that I wanted. No big deal. Have to work tonight but I have the next two days off to play with my new receiver. I know some of you probably want a review/impressions of this new receiver. I'm no expert by any means so I can't really give a professional grade review. So expect something along the lines of "This new receiver is a HUGE improvement" or "my DENON is AWESOME!"

Well, first of the bat, Congratulations on that super receiver!
The 4310 is even better and more advanced than the 3808, so you're ahead in this department.
Price; just don't think about it, and all is well.

Your personal review on this baby is highly anticipated, and we'll take it the way you give it to us,
no more no less, so don't fret it Vegas.

Overall, I'll say it's all good news and it's a done deal.

Cheers,
Bob