Need help selecting a new AVR

[TLS Guy]

LOL still a trumper, eh? It's more likely more a matter of quality controls by "brands" outsourcing their manufacturing. I just think you are overstating the situation as usual. No, the conservatives have done far more in the way of impoverishing folk....

That is where we have a profound disagreement. Good paying productive jobs have been exported at an alarming rate, and replaced with excess service jobs that do not create real wealth.

 

[Kingnoob]

That is where we have a profound disagreement. Good paying productive jobs have been exported at an alarming rate, and replaced with excess service jobs that do not create real wealth.

yep.
Yeah wish I could find a real job. But retail pay is terrible for non management and that’s all I see . Mainly low pay and part time. Plus here come tariffs… so if any gear breaks prices higher.
Not sure what brand avr I’ll pick if both mine break .

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

yep.
Yeah wish I could find a real job. But retail pay is terrible for non management and that’s all I see . Mainly low pay and part time. Plus here come tariffs… so if any gear breaks prices higher.
Not sure what brand avr I’ll pick if both mine break .

https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/Fast-Food-Minimum-Wage-FAQ.htm

Minimum wage for fast food workers of chain restaurants is $20/hr in California.

Just work like 80 hrs per week and you’ll make $80K per year at these fast food restaurants.

 

[highfigh]

From what I have heard, that Yamaha factory in Malaysia is a very well run tight ship. Yamaha have a good reputation for dealing with warranty issues. For Moves on his budget his safest option is Yamaha at this time.

Since he only has a two channel power amp, he really does need a receiver and not an AVP. So, unfortunately an AVP like the AV 20 and AV 10 are not an option for him.

This is a huge issue, as if you put an Atmos system together using an AVP, you have a lot of amps to buy and assemble. That can really fill a room unless you can keep the amps out of site. If you buy a power amp with a bunch of channels, then it weighs a ton and you often are not much further ahead as you can't get full power from all the channels.

In order to improve the situation in terms of interior design and proper functionality, active speakers really are the answer. That solves these problems and in doing so will increase SQ with proper design and by a lot.

What I am now seeing in AVRs with multiple channels is that the power supplies are getting further stretched and power output is decreasing with just two channels driven over one. And who just drives one channel? So this is all descending into a farce. This was predictable as adding those amps, leaves less room for the power supply and the quiescent current is now significant, so just driving two channels embarrasses the power supply. I am in no doubt we have gone down a dead end that is ending up badly as we run out of road.

TOA has made preamps and power amps for commercial/industrial applications with interchangeable modules, based on what was needed- the preamp modules could be bought with a variety of input jacks and circuitry, power amp modules came with different power output. I saw these more than 25 years ago and with miniaturization, circuit density can be maximized. Pre/pro in one box, vertically oriented power amp modules in another with a quiet fan and properly designed ventilation. If they really want to made it robust, the power supply could be in another box with a power cable going to the pre/pro in the main area and the power amp can be placed with the other pieces that don't need to be accessed in normal operation.

If a module fails, it's removed and replaced, rather than removing the whole piece and shipping a large, heavy item that will likely be mishandled and damaged.

Now, if we could only make people understand why this would work and accept it, we might see an end to the crap that's being produced and shoved down our necks.

 

[lovinthehd]

That is where we have a profound disagreement. Good paying productive jobs have been exported at an alarming rate, and replaced with excess service jobs that do not create real wealth.

That wasn't a liberal move particularly, more a capitalist one.

 

[TLS Guy]

That wasn't a liberal move particularly, more a capitalist one.

I would agree there has been a lot of blame to go around. The bottom line is that manufacturing has been made vastly less profitable across North America and Europe. Now we are in danger of becoming the paupers.

The real culprit has been taxation and regulation. This has made projects outrageously expensive before they start and take an eternity to complete with massive cost overruns. Poster boys are the Twin Cities Light Rail and the UK High Speed Rail projects. The Victorians must be turning in their graves!

 

[lovinthehd]

I would agree there has been a lot of blame to go around. The bottom line is that manufacturing has been made vastly less profitable across North America and Europe. Now we are in danger of becoming the paupers.

The real culprit has been taxation and regulation. This has made projects outrageously expensive before they start and take an eternity to complete with massive cost overruns. Poster boys are the Twin Cities Light Rail and the UK High Speed Rail projects. The Victorians must be turning in their graves!

So you're in favor of fewer environmental standards as someone in the medical field? Taxation is an excuse? Seriously?

 

[TLS Guy]

TOA has made preamps and power amps for commercial/industrial applications with interchangeable modules, based on what was needed- the preamp modules could be bought with a variety of input jacks and circuitry, power amp modules came with different power output. I saw these more than 25 years ago and with miniaturization, circuit density can be maximized. Pre/pro in one box, vertically oriented power amp modules in another with a quiet fan and properly designed ventilation. If they really want to made it robust, the power supply could be in another box with a power cable going to the pre/pro in the main area and the power amp can be placed with the other pieces that don't need to be accessed in normal operation.

If a module fails, it's removed and replaced, rather than removing the whole piece and shipping a large, heavy item that will likely be mishandled and damaged.

Now, if we could only make people understand why this would work and accept it, we might see an end to the crap that's being produced and shoved down our necks.

You are absolutely correct. The state of the AV industry and market is way off the rails. It does not stand up to rational thought.

This topic deserves a new thread and I will attend to it tomorrow, as I have been very busy of late for an old man getting ready for winter in this part of the world and preventing damage to infrastructure. Fall in this part of the world is by far the busiest time of the year, as I am sure you know.