My sub came in... Now I need to hook it up.

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His dudeness

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Yeah, I was figuring that they were pretty decent speakers. Eventually I'm going to want to get a center and a couple surrounds, and probably an amp. But that'll be years down the road and put together piece by piece when house projects allow a little extra money. But for now, those two and this sub should do a pretty good job of enhancing things.
 
agarwalro

agarwalro

Audioholic Ninja
Also I am talking about "LPF for LFE" and this NOT a crossover.
In the frequency sprectrum, when LPF corresponds HPF, it becomes 'crossover'. Therefore, the "LPF for LFE" IS part crossover, between the sub and rest of speakers, by its very definition.
120 htz in my room is good...
I have my subs crossed over at 40Hz.
Neither is right and neither is wrong and both are on the extremes for this setting.

(I am ignoring room interaction based serendipitous correction of the following discussion on inaccuracy of signal processing due to poor crossover settings.)

What is of critical importance is that between the HPF on speakers and LPF on sub, there should not be big enough separation that a FR dip is created. If the LPF is set at 40Hz and HPF at 120Hz, roll off slope aside, no speaker/sub will get signal at frequencies in the 40-120Hz band. This will most likely create a big dip in the FR plot. I encourage both to validate this is not happening in your respective setups. I hope not, but it never hurts to confirm.

The opposite case is worth mentioning too, LPF at 80Hz and HPF at 60Hz. This creates a situation where the both, speakers and sub, are getting signal at frequencies in the 60-80Hz band. This would most likely result in a peak around those frequencies.

The 'crossover' concept makes sure this does not happen because LPF freq = HPF freq. By rolling off the HPF and LPF at the appropriate rate, albeit, in opposite directions, the sum of sound from the speakers and sub is maintained at full signal level without creating a processing induced peak or dip.

More on crossovers.
 
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robc1976

Audioholic
So sound stops at 40Hz? :rolleyes:

I think you're nuts setting your low pass at 120, but hey it's your system.
My low pass is off "maxed out" I set my LPF for LFE at 120htz. If you max out the low pass filter on te sub it will not interfere with Audyssey....the "LPF for LFE" is set in the AVR not on the sub, I think we may be talking about 2 seperate things here LOL!! I never said sound stopped at 40Htz?;)
 
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robc1976

Audioholic
In the frequency sprectrum, when LPF corresponds HPF, it becomes 'crossover'. Therefore, the "LPF for LFE" IS part crossover, between the sub and rest of speakers, by its very definition.


Neither is right and neither is wrong and both are on the extremes for this setting.

(I am ignoring room interaction based serendipitous correction of the following discussion on inaccuracy of signal processing due to poor crossover settings.)

What is of critical importance is that between the HPF on speakers and LPF on sub, there should not be big enough separation that a FR dip is created. If the LPF is set at 40Hz and HPF at 120Hz, roll off slope aside, no speaker/sub will get signal at frequencies in the 40-120Hz band. This will most likely create a big dip in the FR plot. I encourage both to validate this is not happening in your respective setups. I hope not, but it never hurts to confirm.

The opposite case is worth mentioning too, LPF at 80Hz and HPF at 60Hz. This creates a situation where the both, speakers and sub, are getting signal at frequencies in the 60-80Hz band. This would most likely result in a peak around those frequencies.

The 'crossover' concept makes sure this does not happen because LPF freq = HPF freq. By rolling off the HPF and LPF at the appropriate rate, albeit, in opposite directions, the sum of sound from the speakers and sub is maintained at full signal level without creating a processing induced peak or dip.

More on crossovers.
I thinl another thing to consider is this...how are the speakers set-up...if they are full range than the X over will be different since he is running bass thru the speakers and I guess 40 htz would be okay.....most tower speakers are honestly not very good at doingf this and I believe (my opinion) a sub would do a better job. hope I am not making anyone mad here...we alll have different ears so....
 
darien87

darien87

Audioholic Spartan
I thinl another thing to consider is this...how are the speakers set-up...if they are full range than the X over will be different since he is running bass thru the speakers and I guess 40 htz would be okay.....most tower speakers are honestly not very good at doingf this and I believe (my opinion) a sub would do a better job. hope I am not making anyone mad here...we alll have different ears so....
I've measured the output of my speakers with a test disc and they play just fine down to about 30Hz, thus my crossover set at 40Hz letting my subs play from 40 on down and my fronts doing just fine playing the rest.

Having your subs play up to 120Hz would lead to some instruments and even some voices coming out of your sub I would think. Too high for my taste.
 
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robc1976

Audioholic
I've measured the output of my speakers with a test disc and they play just fine down to about 30Hz, thus my crossover set at 40Hz letting my subs play from 40 on down and my fronts doing just fine playing the rest.

Having your subs play up to 120Hz would lead to some instruments and even some voices coming out of your sub I would think. Too high for my taste.
It may depend on sub also....but I have no voices....I had mine at 80 htz and there was not enough bass for be in certain parts...but agin I have 9 horned tweeter comming at me so I do need a bit more bass to fill in...I actually go up 3Db over what audyssey sets the trim to. Are you playing music or HT? This has turned into a VERY informative thread. I guess before I knock your 40 htz I will try it;) But doubt it will yeild good results.

I set speakers to small and so should 99% of most people as stated here also:

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/room-acoustics-system-layout-setup/8033-bass-management-basics-%96-settings-made-simple.html
 
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darien87

darien87

Audioholic Spartan
It may depend on sub also....but I have no voices....I had mine at 80 htz and there was not enough bass for be in certain parts...but agin I have 9 horned tweeter comming at me so I do need a bit more bass to fill in...I actually go up 3Db over what audyssey sets the trim to. Are you playing music or HT? This has turned into a VERY informative thread. I guess before I knock your 40 htz I will try it;) But doubt it will yeild good results.

I set speakers to small and so should 99% of most people as stated here also:

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/room-acoustics-system-layout-setup/8033-bass-management-basics-%96-settings-made-simple.html
My processor is a bit different in that you don't set the size of the speakers. The crossover you pick does that for you. I think they did it this way because some people get confused when you tell them to set their 5' tall speakers to "small".

"What do you mean set them to small, those things are huge!"

Honestly there wasn't a huge difference between having my crossover set at 80, 60 or 40Hz, (I tried them all). I just ended up liking 40Hz a little more. But that could just my brain hearing what it wants to hear since I wanted my fronts playing as much of the frequency range as they can while doing it well.

I don't change my settings no matter what I'm listening to but I use my system probably for about 80% HT and 20% music.
 
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robc1976

Audioholic
My processor is a bit different in that you don't set the size of the speakers. The crossover you pick does that for you. I think they did it this way because some people get confused when you tell them to set their 5' tall speakers to "small".

"What do you mean set them to small, those things are huge!"

Honestly there wasn't a huge difference between having my crossover set at 80, 60 or 40Hz, (I tried them all). I just ended up liking 40Hz a little more. But that could just my brain hearing what it wants to hear since I wanted my fronts playing as much of the frequency range as they can while doing it well.

I don't change my settings no matter what I'm listening to but I use my system probably for about 80% HT and 20% music.
What AVR are you using or do you have a seperate?I agree you say set them to "small" people are like what??? But yeah...I would at least try it and see if you like it....it will aslo let some starin off your amp. My speakers are 99Db sensetive so it wouldn't stress the amp but it is always good to relief strain when possible
 
darien87

darien87

Audioholic Spartan
What AVR are you using or do you have a seperate?I agree you say set them to "small" people are like what??? But yeah...I would at least try it and see if you like it....it will aslo let some starin off your amp. My speakers are 99Db sensetive so it wouldn't stress the amp but it is always good to relief strain when possible
All my equipment is in my sig. It is indeed a separate processor and not a receiver. My subs have their own dedicated amps so there is no "stress" to relieve.
 

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