Monoprice New Sub $103

Steve81

Steve81

Audioholics Five-0
Lol, expensive, underperforming subs are a crowded market. Look at all these high end speaker makers who make $1k+ subs that is simply an over-powered sealed 10". Dynaudio, PSB, B&W, Rel, McIntosh, etc. Just take a look through Audiogon's subwoofer section, some of these companies should be embarrassed, "smaller woofers are faster!", what BS.
What, doesn't this make you want to trade in your subs?

REL R-305 - Home Theater Forum and Systems - HomeTheaterShack.com
 
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Jeff R.

Audioholic General
My last thought is, sure, more $100 subs get sold than $1,000 subs do. But, how many of those $100 sub buyers actually research the item beyond a blurb? Some do, yes, but all of them? I'd venture to guess many don't go to forums, read technical reviews, or agonize much over a sub in this price range. where as people looking at $500, or $1,000 or more, probably spend a good amount of time weighing their options and objective results will be more appreciated.

I'm not saying people in ~$100-$200 price range shouldn't be able to find reviews on products, or that only megabuck items should be reviewed. What I am saying is, if a site like Audioholics is rationing its resources, and can only send a few subs a year to Josh for review, I'd rather see Josh review more capable subs. This is already the case, as Josh/Audioholics have reviewed less expensive but still capable subs from several ID's. But I don't think we need to see the compression curves and group delay on what will end up being a computer sub in a 2nd/3rd/4th system for most of the people on this site.

Really, would you rather see the $103 Monoprice subs tested instead of say, a JTR Captivator S2? Or the new PSA XS15?

Some will. That's fine, I'll just agree to disagree. I mean no offense, just my $.02
I do not think that just because people spend a lot of money they do research.....how many folks out there go to the local HT store and just say I want a HT and take exactly what the place recommends....

For a truly interested party.....they will research to get the best bang for their buck wether it is a $100 or $1000 unit.
 
Steve81

Steve81

Audioholics Five-0
Is that a typo (it is in the second post) or am I missing something?
It is correct; with the native response at the 90dB drive level you can fit 23-80Hz into a 6dB window. Of course, the situation changes as the volume goes up.
 
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Jeff R.

Audioholic General
On a side note....I am still always wondering how my HT would sound with say 10 of these $100 units Vs. 1 - $1000 unit.....

It is always in my head as I am dreaming up my next purchase.......
 
S

SnowmaNick

Junior Audioholic
No offense taken (by me anyway)!

Just be honest - you want the subs you are interested in to be reviewed.
I want the same thing for myself (which would put the subs in the $800 to $1200 range).

...snip...

I would love to see some $100-$200 subs tested. For one thing it would be good to know what improvements spending $300-400 or $600-700 is buying.
If I want a setup in my small office, can I get good sound quality out of a $100-200 sub, knowing I will only listen at 70dB?

So we'll have to agree to disagree, but hopefully you see that while $100 might be an impulse buy for some, it is an important decision for others!
I am being honest. Sure, I'd like to see reviews of equipment I am personally interested in, but that was not the thrust of my argument.

Also, I am very aware of the value of money and how hard it can be to save up. When I started working I was paid $3.25/hr, for manual labor, and worked 100+ hour weeks just to keep a roof over my head. Stereos in any form were a luxury. Please, please do not misunderstand me and think I am taking some 1%er-like attitude. That was not my intent at all.

My argument, simply, is that Josh can't review every sub that comes along. Hence, his services are rationed. Every company/person makes decisions and choices on where to best use their resources. So, in a way, some things do come down to an either or.

For an overly simplified example, take this theoretical pool of subs: The aforementioned Monoprice, the Cap S2, the PSA XV-30, the HSU VTF-2 MK IV, and the Bic PL200. Now, the magazine would like to review all 5 subs over the course of 1 year, but it takes 3 months to review each sub. They have two reviewers, Reviewer 1 takes a full battery of tests, and is very thorough, and focuses on objective measurements, and Reviewer 2 takes some basic measurements but is more subjective in their approach.

While many people here would like Reviewer 1 to test all five subs, that can't be accomplished in this scenario. At 3 months each, the 5 subs exceed the one year time frame.

Which subwoofer should be reviewed by Reviewer 2?

Now, I know this is an overly simplified example, but it is done simply to clarify what I meant by my rationing comment.

In my opinion, the subwoofer that is least likely to be heavily scrutinized by the public should be sent to Reviewer 2. Basic measurements and subjective opinions are more likely to suffice for the Monoprice sub than say, for the JTR S2, or, again IMHO, any of the other, more costly, subs.

My opinion was not that affordable subs such as the Monoprice shouldn't be reviewed at all, just that sending them to Josh is not the best use of his testing talents, and any one of several reviewers could do the basic measurements that would answer most peoples questions on the Monoprice sub.

As for decent quality sound at 70 db, again, I feel basic measurements (less than the full battery of tests that subs go through when Josh reviews them) and some subjective opinion can cover this.
 
Steve81

Steve81

Audioholics Five-0
My argument, simply, is that Josh can't review every sub that comes along. Hence, his services are rationed.
I'm not sure if this is actually the case though. After all, not every manufacturer is anxious to have their product put under the microscope for various and sundry reasons.
 
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jdskycaster

Enthusiast
For an overly simplified example, take this theoretical pool of subs: The aforementioned Monoprice, the Cap S2, the PSA XV-30, the HSU VTF-2 MK IV, and the Bic PL200. Now, the magazine would like to review all 5 subs over the course of 1 year, but it takes 3 months to review each sub. They have two reviewers, Reviewer 1 takes a full battery of tests, and is very thorough, and focuses on objective measurements, and Reviewer 2 takes some basic measurements but is more subjective in their approach.

While many people here would like Reviewer 1 to test all five subs, that can't be accomplished in this scenario. At 3 months each, the 5 subs exceed the one year time frame.

Which subwoofer should be reviewed by Reviewer 2?
I don't want reviewer 2 to review any of these subs. I get what you are saying that there is limited time but mostly subjective reviews are a complete waste of time, normally full of bias and useless to the reader because you cannot put yourself in the reviewers shoes or situation.

How many times have you read a review that started out fairly positive and then degraded quickly because you know they had to measure out the positive comments based on a products price point alone. No measurements to back it up, just biased opinion on how the lower priced review product, while very good, just cannot possibly compete with my "reference" product which retails for 10X the cost.

I am not saying this is always the case with product reviews but yet it happens all the time while independent testing with measurements yields a much more level playing field. Now, armed with the data you can quickly and efficiently narrow your choices and use your own budget and bias to pick from there.
 
panteragstk

panteragstk

Audioholic Warlord
Interesting discussion. When I worked at a big box store in the HT dept. it was easy to sell $3k TV's all day (that was cheap then), but convincing someone to spend $300 on a decent HTIB was next to impossible. I was always amazed that people never wanted to have decent sound, or did, but wanted Bose because of the small footprint, not the sound. Aesthetics takes over for SO many people because of WAF. I've sold so so many $150 subs over $500 subs (we didn't have the best speaker selection) it was odd. The $150 subs were put into 3000 cu ft rooms and people always came back asking why the murdered them. That was when I got to say I told you so and sell them an adequate sub. It's not just sound either. Most people are VERY tight with their money when it comes to electronics. They don't get why they should buy name brands with a good warranty and good customer service, that is until they've done 6 warranty exchanges on the same device in a year.

People don't do research, for the most part. If they do, it's from consumer reports and only consumer reports. The people that do real research are informed enough to not have to take a salesman's word alone, those that do take just the salesman's word wouldn't know a good sub from a crappy one anyway. It's really difficult to help people see why money is spent on better products, that's where low end component reviews are helpful. I used to point people to good review sites all the time so they could educate themselves.
 
Steve81

Steve81

Audioholics Five-0
Wow, look at that sixth order harmonic distortion measurement. You have wonder if this sub really sounds as bad as it measures? Seriously, how can anyone sell this thing. It's MSRP is an obscenity.
I'm pretty sure that contributes to the warmth and musicality :D
 
afterlife2

afterlife2

Audioholic Warlord
I don't know where I've been but I just found this:eek:
That BIC ACOUSTECH PL-200 that good? say $275, but I see it's $329 and up. What is the best bargain for around $200 in a small studio? The monoprice one last year was tempting. Can't wait to see the review on this $103 sub. 2 would be nice for that price.:(
 
Steve81

Steve81

Audioholics Five-0
That BIC ACOUSTECH PL-200 that good? say $275, but I see it's $329 and up. What is the best bargain for around $200 in a small studio? The monoprice one last year was tempting. Can't wait to see the review on this $103 sub. 2 would be nice for that price.:(
The BIC measures fairly well for the money, as does the PA-150. Between the two, I'd probably opt for the PA-150, or if on a tighter budget, the 120 or 10.

Beyond that, I'd probably be watching for deals on newegg and the like. This one looks interesting if only because it's called "Eviction" :D

Newegg.com - BIC America Eviction RTR-EV1200 12" 475-Watt Front-Firing Subwoofer Each

Although these may be interesting for a small studio:

Newegg.com - Energy ESW-C8 8" 240 Watt Subwoofer (Black) Each
Newegg.com - MartinLogan Dynamo 300 8" Stereo/Home Theater Subwoofer Each
 
ahblaza

ahblaza

Audioholic Field Marshall
Bic

You had me cracking up on that line. Wonder why?!:) I needed that thanks. I like the look of it too, but cheaper on amazon. Anyone have the eviction? Thoughts?
I kind of like that myself Joe, 5 year parts and labor warranty too.:)
I think two of the Mono's would be even more tempting after some reviews.
 
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Jeff R.

Audioholic General
I am not sure that I can get past that bright red cone....


I know we are supposed to be more professional than that....but Just Saying.....
 
fuzz092888

fuzz092888

Audioholic Warlord
I am not sure that I can get past that bright red cone....


I know we are supposed to be more professional than that....but Just Saying.....
Red like a baboon's a$$ :p

I'm sold, I'll take 6 :D:D
 

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